I agree with kewl0210, there is nothing shocking in giving more exposure to an established author. So the "pimping" of Toriko was quite logical in term of "business". And if it was indeed done, was it wrong ? Now a lot of us are happy that this serie has become appreciated. The Toriko forum has only good feedback from the readers, that's far from being the same everywhere...
we are not arguing about whether it's a bad or a good thing,someone said that "The only series that was noticeably "pimped" in the last 4 years was Kuroko no Basket " so we are just mentioning that toriko was heavily pimped
It's good to remember that in the early chapters of Dragon Ball, it had almost the same treatment as Toriko. It had a lot of first and second positions in the first 8 chapters.
(Source: http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~starman/index.htm )
Ah I wasn't closed to specific enough. I was using pimped for series that weren't doing well being pushed like they were i.e. Kuroko ranking in the bottom 5 but still getting a bunch of color pages. I'm sure there are more cases, I just don't recall at the moment.
You could hardly promote something in terms of Naruto/OP/Bleach if it's a complete different genre as in AssClass or Kuroko no Basket. It makes sense for them to promote it as such, readers will automatically associate it with some hits, which can't go wrong unless it's a whole different series as introduced.
WSJ promotes a lot of new series, some more, some less, but it's doing so nearly constantly.
IIRC the bichrome being in red was also one of the reasons for Goku's Cloths changing from blue to red.
But not everything is turn into red.. I.e say Piccolo, he was drawn using greyish, same with Yuusuke's green clothes which Togashi used greyish in bichrome.. Though IIRC other mangakas didnt care that much, i.e. I got an old issue and it haa bichromes of Hokuto no ken and Kenshiro is.. All in red while a greyish tone would have suited his blueish clothing.
BTW which was the last bichrome manga in JUMP? I know ONE PIECE got at least 2 of them, one bunch in chapter 1 the other in like chapter 17 or something.. HXH had for its initial chapter but Shaman King didn't.
So think about it, Kenshin wears pinkish-red tones, Dragon ball's main cast have orangeish tones, Slam Dunk cast is all red too, all of JUMP biggest hits in the 90s were very bichrome friendly, except for Togashi, he must love green.. Gon, Yuusuke.. (Ey green ftw! Its my fav color :-) )
Heck, even today's JUMP hits, One Piece Luffy wears red, Naruto orange and Bleach is all black but Ichigo's hair is orange so it fits, same with Toriko.
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All that being said, I don't see a series being placed higher than it ranked as being that damaging, as long as it doesn't become a habit. It sort of became a moot point though, as Kaiten said.
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As for bichrome adding anything to the manga, well all I can say is SOME of the bichrome pages I have seen look amazing, I remember seeing a particular one of Dr. Slump which should be bichrome since its all in the typical bicromish style of using greys and reds but Toriyama was to intelligent, to this day I still have my doubts if its a true Color page or bichrome.
Also at least red and black is better than other magazines bichromes like green and ..
Red is the color of blood so battle scenes benefit from it IMO, and you can also emulate some skin tones with red, unless you are drawing Piccolo that won't help with green and black.
Only in the last 2 pages of this topic, there's at least 3 another examples of editorial "changes" (even if for different reasons) in the ToC: Toriko, Dragon Ball and Kuroko no Basket. So, I don't understand all this comotion.
Shonen Jump is bussiness, and it's silly to believe the editorial department only sit back and let untouched the readers' choises.
That being said, I wouldn't say there were editorial "changes" going on with Toriko or Kuroko (nothing as explicit as a fake ranking), but choices being made. Ones that you don't normally see. Like a series being hyped undeservedly, or receiving more color pages than a reader thinks they deserve. It all comes down to the perception of the reader here. I doubt a fan of Kuroko thought it received undue attention during that time. However, if you think every series is treated equally because of a system that looks as democratic as the polling system, then you're just being naive.
Also don't forget that japanese have a different culture and principles then western folks, as it is the case for all countries and people. Judging the ranking only based on logic could be as silly as thinking it 100% represent fair counting for reader votes. A Mangaka may is the best friend, is more favored because he doesn't lack in time. Other gets dumped down as a punishment for being late. Who knows how objective the ranking really is and in what time manner it works. It could be 9 weeks or 10 and the 2 higher HJ spots were unranked, with now its real rankings visible?
It actually gets quite boring talking any longer about this matter without new insight infos.
And you are right, JUMP uses red but I have seen old magazines using green and blue if I my memory isnt playing tricks.. I guess the RGB colors?
Anyway Its too unconvinient to posts those old pics of blue/green bichrome pages since I am using a tablet and my laptop is death x.x, I will post ASAP.
Also IIRC Jaguar's ending was all color page, I assume it meant bichrome?
EDIT. I am seeing you guys are talking about fairness in the poll..
Didnt bakuman basically confirmed the editorial department takes the votes differently?
I.e To love ru got less votes because kids where ashamed to vote for an ecchi manga but editors knew that.
About those blue/green/red "color pages" after the real color pages, no I am not talking about those, I don't consider those CP, but they stand out anyway (different paper, blue/red/green instead of worst-than-newspaper ink) so they do the same as aregular CP, make the series stand out from the other series.
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