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^ That ws it :P
But because he said they are similar in the way theres no turning back surely there are some other mental differences to them aswell ?
I suspect that the Asakaram are quite eldritch in their manners and mind processes.
They might have moralities that a human would find completely horrifying yet its perfectly normal for their species.
But there is one thing that continues to puzzle me
If the Asakaram are such eldritch abominations of nature...then why...why do their DoD forms have a human face?
Can anyone explain that then I would be very grateful.
They don't have to be from another planet to be aliens, ol.
And like I said, he knew from the start who they are and he could have killed them million times.Quote:
But he choose to save their lives and help them later. So he lied them about that too.
and how did he save Miria when she attacked the org.....hmm or right he did not in fact he was watching as she was being killed-tho he did say that if she had not been alone she probably would have succeeded.
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Which indicates that they have some sort of intelligence and self awareness. This is further proven by Rimuto who knew everything about them and yet he never said something like that.
I disagree on intelligence part but I agree agree on using part.Quote:
You don't have to be mindless animal to become slave and obey without question.
Control is possible if the Asakaram are capable to be reasoned with.
before they go DoD
if that´s now is possible.
^ It could be that. Or the ones controlling them have something real deadly they could unleash onto them ? Maybe they've experimented with Yoma aswell ?
And I don't relly think the Org controlled the Male Awakened they made, didn't they just dump them somwhere and leave them to their own devices ?
I really like the way some of these discussions are going, well done for keeping things civil and on point.
It's stated, that in reality, it's only the 3 abyssmals who were truely 'left to their own devices' simply because they were so powerful and because the Org didn't have a suitable countermeasure (until A+B); since it often required an awakened no.1 to kill one (tho I am aware that recent events have kind of put a kink in that).
As long as they stayed out of the way the org was happy to let them be. Request or no request seamingly. It was often more an accident that Claymores encountered an abyssmal - Jean's team, I'm looking at you.
Lower ranking awakeneds, however, were fair game if the Org. recieved a kill request. So in some ways it’s true they are ‘left to their own devices,’ but there is a subtle difference. Basically, anyone who wasn't an abyssmal was a victim waiting to happen, if you popped up.
Did they control any awakeneds? Plz See below.
The male awakened in The Slashers arc, cause he is the only awakened of any stripe we have seen controlled by the Org. (unless I missed someone). He even says, 'I kill those warriors who are sent to me.'
Who would have him do this other than the Org? I would suggest that he was offered a good 'deal', backed by an implyed threat.
Reminds me of a line from a comic I read;
'You have two opitions, 1. Do as I say or 2. Don't; oh and with option two, I hunt you down and I kill you'.
That's how I saw it, he does as he is told; it's not like he would be believed by any warrior and even Miria says so and she's not a nut.
Would you disobey if someone told you Ophilia would be dispatched if you didn't? She's insurance that the awakeneds they do have deals with don't betray them, and awakened like humans, prefer jobs that don't involve suicide.
I'm guessing thats why characters like Ophilia were so useful as she could be convinced to kill for fun, such as force someone to awaken and then kill them. Ophilia's a rare case; although I would suggest that Hysteria might have had a simular role before she became no.1 and went a-wall.
While some could argue that Rubel was solely responsible for that male awakeneds 'job'; I would argue that it's more likely he provided the idea to Rumuto as a solution to wayward warriors. Create decently strong males to kill troublemakers and when one is killed simply replace it and offer the deal to him. Which is what the male seems to be implying when he says what Miria said about male awakeneds was not strictly true. Or that was my understanding, I'm sure other ppl may not agree.
Back on topic. It's just more proof that everyone has a price; only those with serious staying power are exempt, but even they can be bribed.
If Askaram are intelligence enough to have desires, understand deals and recognise threats; someone could try that. Its the difference between ordering around a slave, who doesn't know any better, and dealing with a thinking, rational being.
Would you believe that it’s more dramatic?
And quite frankly, it makes more sense since while even bats and snakes use senses humans don’t (sonar and thermal vision – tongue etc) have even they have mouths, noses and eyes.
No one has said they are abominations of nature as far as I remember, can you quote it for me if there was?
I agree abomination on it’s own however would apply; as it usually reserved for things that are dangerous or not understood by humans, often both.
They just said that they are inhuman; dogs are inhuman, but we don’t call them abominations of nature. Unless they really were from outer space; I assume they evolved on the claymore planet and thus are natural and not abominations of nuture.
We also have had only two descriptions of the Askaram; one by Rubel to Maria, which was just a political situational assessment for all intensive purposes, and another by Rumuto, who gave use a rundown of what the Org. side does know about their size, reproductive and lifecycle traits, which could amount to rumor and speculation.
I could be completely wrong, but It always seemed more likely to me that what the Org. faction knew of their enemy was misinformation. I assume that even the two hundread foot tall Askaram in the lab was some kind of transformed state, simply because claymores\awakeneds can have three states.
Consider Clare. She had her original form, human in apperence. She possessed a combat form; which possessed awakened weapons grafed to her human frame, but clearly she had lost her human apperence. We know that full awakening often result in an almost complete loss of a human figure. (Look at europa and Miata.)
It’s just a baseless theory for now and I have no proof, but I would like to believe that they might be simular and have a human sized form as well. It's the only way I can get away with their faces.
@ Brother Coa
Blackmail and enslavement are both possible; though I personally feel blackmail is more likeily than stright up enslavement just because of how powerful said Askaram are reputed to be.
However, lets assume it’s neither. In science-fiction there are actually a number of notable examples of one race, that is completely different from another, getting involved in another race(s) wars/civil wars.
Examples being - The Doctor from Dr Who or The Autobots from Transformers and even Humans from time to time (Star trek, Babylon 5).
Positive motivators could be:
The reasons can be varied; something to gain (land etc), the greater good (eveyone will be happier if the war is over) or simply for no other reason than it's the right thing to do.
Negitive motivators could be;
If the Org side wins control then the Askaram could face a overwhelming war in the future and they are fighting because they imagine the size of army org.side would command if they took over the world, and don't like it.
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I hope that the mystery over the Mainland will mean the Claymore series will last at least 40+ volumes. Especially once I make my return.
Bump! Prissy arch seems to be getting close to its climax. I wonder about the mainland arc
i'd like to think that the main continent is alot more advanced technologically than the claymore continent because they are using science to alter humans with our current technology in the real world we are just looking at these things, but then again its a fantasy world so its gona be intresting to see what its like
I'm just throwing this out here since this looks like the 'mainland' thread. It's not got any serious speculative value but I found it interesting :P
I went to Japan a few weeks ago and learnt they've got 47 prefectures just like the Claymore island. Furthermore, as of the last chapter, the foreign policy of
Queen Miriathe Claymore homeland is GO AWAY - something Japan has tried at various times in the past. Also, Japan is an island off the coast of a very large continent which, as anyone who knows anything about Chinese or Korean history knows, is pretty damn war-torn. Lastly, Japan is very, very mountainous and I can't think of a single landscape shot in Claymore that isn't extremely hilly.
I guess where I'm going with this is that while the people, locations, and names of the Claymore country all have a strong European vibe there's definitely a little Japan mixed in their too.
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(Assuming Yagi-sensei plans to continue the story)
As far as we know the Descendants of Dragon (or dragonkin) are currently having the upper hand.
Miria said war on the main continent is going on since hundreds years and by now is a battle for supremacy between DoD and Org, which means that one side will need to be completely annihilated before the war can end (if the war continues for all this time, only hatred is the cause by now)
Before that, Organization's side will probably land on Claymore's continent with or without permission by Miria (or whoever is in charge) to escape certain death betting the warriors would not kill them.
So, my guess is the sequel will probably be set in the not so near future and will start with fleeing Organization's side landing in Claymore's continent to escape the dragon kins.
I very much doubt that the Mainland is a total war situation. First off, they've been fighting for nearly a century. Wars that go on that long are NOT high-intensity conflicts, those take too much resources to continue longer than a few years. The 12 year Napoleonic wars in Europe had periods of peace and lulls in fighting, the 100 years war between England and France was more a series of interconnected conflicts than a war, the Thirty Years' War also had highly varying intensity levels as did the Three Kingdoms.
Also, I doubt a long war is fuelled by hatred. Most of the big ones I can think of (Hundred Years War, French Wars of Religion, Three Kingdoms) have a dynastic element - big noble houses all fighting for territory. The Napoleonic Wars between England and France weren't like that so much but there you had two superpowers which for a while there weren't able to defeat each other outright (France too strong on land, England too strong on sea). Hatred is usually the thing that's being fanned by people who just want power. After all, dead people can't be taxed
I think the situation on the Mainland isn't as extreme as Limt makes it out to be - the DoD would have crushed the Org bosses long ago if it were - and wars in our world only seem to drag on when no side has a conclusive advantage. Well, that's what my military history buff friend said anyway when I asked him.