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Last edited by Ancy; October 24, 2012 at 03:24 AM.
Or there could be aother reason. Elizabeth may not have had anything to do with Roxanne, because it did say in Chp.117 that Elizabeth died shortly after Roxanne stole her technique. And what i find weird about that is unlike Neideen adn Uranus where it shows Roxanne fihgting together with them it shows nothing about Roxanne and Elizabeth. And in that same chapter it explains Roxanne's ability to hide er Yoki from a single target and it says "And that is connected to her effective acquisition of other peoples every technique" and when it says that it shows her stalking Cassandra lol. So whos to say she didnt do the same for Elizabeth? Maybe she saw the technique ad decided to copy it without the help of the original Creator?
And when it came to Cassandra i think Roxanne learning the technique herself would have been the only way for her to get it because of Cassandra's reluctance t show it in front of others and i dont think Cassandra would let another Warrior learn the technique.
I think out of all the warriors whove had friends and lost Cassandra's had it the worst, she had Roxanne who only wanted her for her technique and once she saw it she nicknamed her "Dust Eater" which would have been humiliating. And when Cassandra made a true frined in Warrior 35 Roxanne orchestrated her death causing Cass to be killed by her fellow warriors :/
To be honest, I can't help but wonder what the heck made Roxanne to become mentally unstable??? We all know that most Claymores had traumatic pasts...yet, only Prissy and Ophelia snapped because of it. Any suggestions?
I think that she was a sociopath this whole time and what we've seen was either her true nature or a mask that she put on in front of others. It's not like only sane people become Claymores. It's possible that Roxanne would have become a serial killer even if she was human.
As for the starting post, I doubt that Roxanne is still alive or present in some way, although it would be an interesting plot-twist. But I just don't see how Roxanne could manipulate Cassandra while her body has rotted away. Transfer of souls would be too much and her piece that Cassie ate having ability to take control would be even more ridiculous. I'm afraid that the answer is as simple as it gets and Roxanne is dead.
As for the question why she was the only one who remembered everything clearly, she probably had a mental stat as high as Irene's or Jean's and it was harder to wipe her memory out.
She also could be at the Org headquarters , i have a theory that she ejected her "real self" in one of those final claws/blades and what Cassy ate was nothing but a shell (and maybe her awakening has improved her yoki hiding ability to the point she can hide it completely(and for an AO its not that hard to believe)
regarding her Memory i think your right she must have had a strong will/her human part was strong
And to Roxanne being a killer if she was not a claymore...i can see it she was crazy even when she was n35...she just got worse as time went by
I really think she tricked Cassandra into eating her, we know that in order to steal an ability she has to "get close" to the person/being she wants to steal from(as with the N5 its implied that she stalked her, without her fully knowing) so she dose not have to be "friends" with them just be close to them, we also know that once her power gets above theirs, they mysteriously die.
What better way to get close to cassandra then by being inside of her. Roxannes true strength was her cunning nature.
So i am still hopeful , and think it is a real possibility that she will return
Cassandra will be killed and once she is dead Roxanne will come out of her corpse OR Cassandra will die/start dieing out of no where and Roxanne will rip/burst out of Cassandra fatally wounding her.
This part I always thought of, but think it is because of Roxanne's ability! I will explain more: when you are in a battle you position yourself based on your allies and enemies and so you move according to that, but I think what Roxanne did is that when they moved in a certain way that puts them in danger, but this danger can be dealt with if a comrade helps. Here Roxanne hides herself when she is that comrade and this will confuse them and let them act wrongly and leads to their death or so I believe.Quote:
Remember the N9 who died she was killed by a weak Awakened being, everyone was shocked that she would fall to such an weak awakened being.- so i think it might have something to do with over all power as well
maybe she "leeches" there power making it her own(while they are unaware of there own drop in power/strength) and then like you said , she puts them into a position where they need her help(they think they are still "close" to her) and she lets them get killed.
but the only thing that makes me question that is the Number 5- it said "she died shortly after Roxanne had stolen all of her beautiful sword techniques" and by that time Roxanne was number 11 and people thought she was creepy and kept there distance(as several of her "friends" had already died mysteriously). so it seems she might kill them herself or her ability to steal techniques has an effect on the person that causes them to die-maybe they run out of yoki?
for example , the N9 was in battle and then suddenly she found herself unable to use/make yoki? thus she was no better then a human and was killed by a "weak awakened being" ?
Just one word.. Roxanne! She is amazing, like super amazing. The more I want to discuss her the more I like her.. Much potential and too bad Yagi wasted it. Yes he brought her back in a picture today but we want her back for real this time.. So much questions unanswered about her and I really want them answered like what trouble did she cause the Origination that they mentioned her in particular with that not any of the rest, and not to forget that Hysteria killed half the warriors at the time so how bad did she go? Teresa rebelled and got 1-4 killed and Cassandra did terrible stuff too so why her with that?? And not to forget that Dae said that all three were close to awakening at their death so this makes it unique for Roxanne, as why did she need that?
To me what makes her death more likely fake is that we got the final moment of all the three ZAOs except Roxanne, so I think she is not finished yet or at least we are not done with her yet as she will be at least mentioned in the future, because Yagi tries to be as fair and realistic as possible. All I want is to see that smile one more time because it's the most evil of all we have seen far in Claymore.
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BTW I like the idea of her being a leech and she absorbs the powers of other literary not only the way of the ability but also their powers.. But is that even possible?? Like we have seen the destroyer do that and the victim died in sense of self so maybe that's how she does it so great way of thinking Micheal.. This maybe a key to her ability and this makes it even more possible that she survived inside Cassandra, as after awakening she got her ability upgraded and with her sensory masking ability she can do anything.. She can emerge as an entity stronger than the current Cassandra something like Riful doll?
At least we might have got a hint at why Roxanne didn't lose her memories: Her mind couldn't be erased by Yoki Synching.
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I also think the way she copies techniques might be used by Synching her Yoki with a fellow Warrior, allowing her to perfectly mirror the way they fight. Or somehow imprint the way they fight into her mind, considering she had to watch Cassandra from afar; aswell as the latest Chapter showing Clarice messing with Miatas mind and erasing her memories. And she "stole" Elizabeth's ability, making it seem even more likely she literally memorizes their fighting abilities. God she needs her own mini series or something haha
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I've also had a thought about her Awakening that I really like (although some may not lol). We all saw that with Cassandra and Hysteria, they both practically became their techniques after Awakening. Cassandra mimicked the Dust Eater while Hysteria gained the ability to "soar through the sky". And yet we have Roxanne who seemed so...normal, boring even.
And here's where my little thought begins: What if Roxanne wanted it that way ?
We know a Claymore awakens depending on her abilities and personality, but Roxanne had such an array of techniques that no doubt would have been able to easily allow her to crush any opposition in Awakened form (The Blade of Evil for example) but all she got was blades ? After all a new Warrior with no techniques to her name only has a blade to defend herself after all. And what I'm trying to say is: Is it possible Roxanne wanted to die at some point in her life ? Because really, how on earth do you kill a person like Roxanne ?
There are just so many things we don't know about her. Maybe, after gaining the Rank of No.1 she had became lonely ? Or maybe she had a split personality ? One wanted friends while the other wanted power, thus she gained power by using those friends ? I think that after Roxanne became No.1 she may have actually had some sort of "realization" of what she had done and maybe allowed herself to die or be executed ? Hey, maybe that's another reason she didn't lose her memories? Because her death wasn't by the Organization and wouldn't cause her to go crazy once she remembered..
I might just be saying things out of the blue, but I don't like thinking that she was all evil. And her face when she died against Cass.. she looked truly defeated, as if she'd given up. If she was coming back I think she would have had that sh*t eating grin on her face. And out of all the things she could have said to Cassandra she says "Keep eating shit for the rest of your life." She could've easily said something more witty or insulting to her but that was what she said ? I think she knew she was in her last moments so she thought "to hell with it I don't care" and just said anything a final act of defiance before the end.
Unfortunately, as much as I want her back, I think she's dead ;n;