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...a pure titan.
I see I'm not the only one who thinks the ape titan is the true, original "Ymir" derived from Norse Mythology. Personally I think "Ymir" (beast titan) is in fact a "primeval" being and original titan, which is also supposed to have a "hairy" body according to legend. That said, I don't think that means it couldn't have been created by humans. It could be created by them, it could even be part-human (and I do lean toward believing it's Dr. Jaeger right now). Either that or it's got insanely good learning abilities, to be able to perfectly mimic human language without any aspect of humanity to it.
That it doesn't know what the 3D gear is for does imply that not only is it "out of touch," but it might be gauging humans' strength. And what if it has some kind of control over titans? Like what if Reiner and Berthold were taken in by its persuasiveness when they broke down the wall (if they were working for him) but now they see it as the enemy? What if the beast/ape titan gives other titans the ability to roam around at night (like by changing their sleep habits or something, who knows, lol)? Just a little brainstorming here...
Last edited by kannazuki; June 10, 2013 at 02:29 AM.
Just found some more proof of the ape titan being a human
Basically the ape titan was staying here before he turned everyone in the village into titans
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When he says he said "what an interesting thing they invented", he just means the people inside the walls. He's obviously a human from outside the walls (reiner/bertholds village)
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet but here's something I noticed: I have confirmed the beast titan is in both chapter 1 of the manga and episode 1 of the anime, in the opening scene where the recon corps hunts a tall titan in the giant forest. The manga shows its odd elongated form but the anime clinches it, because you can see his hairless belly.
Hairless belly? But he's hairless all over. And if it was a Ape titan, then it would have known about 3DM. Besides, it was first titan that was shown in the manga, so the author probably just wanted to make it look more scary.
But on the other hand, this could be the bigest proof that he's human:
"Then you have an idea about what's in the nape of our necks"
Since we already know that's the location of the human body in shapeshifters, that would mean he has a human body as well. Also, he uses ''our necks'', implying there are others like him.
I think it's this one:
Bottom panel lol.
Compare to chapter 1: (and also ep1, which is a bit clearer)
They look soooo alike.
Yep. Normally I wouldn't pay attention to what happens in the anime but it's been awfully faithful to the manga, for the most part, and what other titans do we know of that have dark (hairy) bodies and light-coloured bellies like that? The beast titan's very tall, uniquely-proportioned body shape is also fairly consistent in the chapters where we know it's him and in that form in chapter 1, more or less, though Isayama's style was a little different back then.
@Utsune: Are you sure it's chapter 11 you want? Maybe a later one instead? ^_^;
Maybe that is the case in the manga and they're doing some anime-original thing with the first ep of the anime then? In the anime, there is a clear colour difference (circular area on the stomach) that is not from shading. I'm not allowed to post attachments or I'd show a still from the anime. Sorry, I don't want to create an image hosting account just for this.
I think it's just fat, hence the shading :P But the main thing is, it's bald lol. The manga Chapter 1 makes it really clear that it is bald because his head is very reflective loool.
The beast titan is very hard to mistake. It isn't the titan in the first episode.
I think that the Ape Titan is a hibernating Titan from underground of Connie's village.
He could not have been someone from within the Walls or else he would have known about the current tech and such. Likewise, he couldn't have been from outside of walls, because he would have known about the Scouting Legion and how they can definitely kill Titans using their 3D gear. Also if he were from outside as a Titan, he would have been spotted a mile away, but instead he just magically appeared out of nowhere within the walls. And if he were from outside, he would have to get past the walls somehow. We know he can climb, but even climbing would leave noticeable marks, and we know not a single trace of breaching was found.
So if he's not from within the walls or outside the walls, he had to be from underground. One idea in mind was that he's involved in some epic mission to dig a massive underground tunnels to reach inside the Walls to destroy humanity. This, however, would make no sense since he could have just invaded upfront and wipe out humanity np.
The only explanation that makes sense to me is that he is one of the Titans that have been hibernating for a century(s) like those titans within the walls somewhere and have just recently awakened. This fits the description that he doesn't know anything about current events and standards. We have proof that Annie is capable of crystalizing herself, and we have proof that there are Titans within the walls themselves that are hibernating and are capable of reawakening too, as feared by Pastor Nick. Armin speculates this:
And so far in the series, Armin's speculations or hunches have been 100% or pretty close to 100% correct/relevant.
Then Reiner and Bert's original mission could very well have been to search for the dormant titans or wait for their reawakening.
Also, One of the first places he was heading was Castle Utgard, which according to wikia means "Stronghold of the Giants," and the place is already pretty mysterious since there are really deep dungeons that I don't think anyone's been.
If the Ape Titan was hibernating and has just reawakened, then it looks like he may not be the only one. It looks like a lot more dormant Titans are about to reawake as well, and hell's gonna break loose.
One thing that doesn't quite make sense with this is that how could he be the "mastermind" behind all this? But one thing is for certain, the Ape Titan cannot be the one who commands Reiner, Bert, and Annie. I believe that Reiner, Bert, and Annie's faction are looking for the Ape Titan or his kind and that was their original mission.
Last edited by dabrickmaster; June 24, 2013 at 09:34 AM.
Everything concerning the Ape Titan is very mysterious indeed and the details about its origins are very much open for speculation.
I'm not used to let myself go with wild speculations, but I agree the Ape Titan definitely doesn't look like someone/something who was in contact with walls inhabitants in recent years. About why exactly is that (being hibernated, coming from outside or what have you) I'm left clueless like anyone else.
As far as Reiner, Berth and Annie go, their original mission specifically was to wipe out every human inside the walls. This is by Reiner's own admission, so I guess we can be pretty sure about that. In fact, I would say R&B&A are terrorists more than anything else (causing destruction, acting undercover among enemy lines, etc). This is heavily implied by their actions and also consistent with what has been shown in their memories up till now.
He also states "there's no need anymore" (to wipe out humans living inside walls), but why exactly they change their plan on the fly is very much up in the air still. It's been deducted (I think by Amirn? Can't remember) the Colossal and Armored Titans restrained from attacking the wall again because of Eren's Titan, hence opting to kidnap him instead. Having tracked the Ape could very well be a possibility too, but I guess we can't be that sure yet. More in the next chapter, hopefully?
I don't think Reiner's and Bertholdth's plan was to track the Ape Titan from the get go tough. They sincerely look surprised upon seeing it at Castle Utgard, so I would suppose they never expected it to be there in the first place. Or never hoped for that to happen, by the very least. It looks like they know what the Ape Titan is but aren't willing to share whatever info they got and, again, this isn't very clear yet either.
Still, this is lots of assumptions, we lack any reasonable amount of information for us to be sure about what exactly is going on with lots of stuff.