Meh, this has gone past the point of fun. So last post regarding the matter.
Seriously Rikudou's image just states that Madara told Obito what he knew, stating that because of it they share the same strength is ungrounded, with this logic Hiruzen and so forth Yondaime should be as strong as Hashirama. Saying Obito didn't applied all of his strength is as good argument as saying he took the rasengan for the hell of it.
Stating that your inferences are implied in the manga (crazy talk if you need a comfortable translation) means no evidence.
I have merely pointed out the facts: Minato has never been touched in the manga, not once, unless when he wanted to protect his recently born child. So unless a weakened Naruto is at the back of the fight there's nothing to tell you Kabuto has the skill to land a hit on him. However Minato can strike an A levelled fast attacker (A is the second fastest ninja in the manga; meaning he WILL land the strike) mid-lariat. That's crazy fast. No matter how much Kabuto can regenerate he clearly has a limit otherwise why avoid any attacks?, this can only infer that eventually he will die (even if I take your pathetic argument that Rasengans the size of your upper body aren't strong enough). Kabuto can't win against Minato. He has no remarkable speed to land a hit nor has he any trick to prevent him from fleeing. I am not saying Kabuto sucks, unlike you who are clearly gangin up on Minato, but he can't land a hit. If we take the argument that Itachi will pound Jiraya because he has JUST the right tools to do so then we must deduce that Kabuto, despite having a 'superior level' according to you guys, having no way to actually restrain the Kage has no hope to land a hit on him, while Minato has such skill, and the power to harm him (even if he regenerates) as well.
Common sword slashing through your immortal's ultimate defence
A slash from Minato's Kunai
Last edited by Sevenheadedmirror; October 31, 2012 at 04:52 PM.
Uhm... Hakugeki or Tayuyas Genjutsu?Quote:
He can just paralyze everyone around him and then casually chop their heads off while they are unable to move.
Also, Minato isn't the only one who just needs to touch an oppenent to fuck him up:
All it takes is a brief contact and his opponent ends up crippled.
And where did anyone say Minato sucks? I already said he's one of the top tier ninjas of this series... but its just fact he's not alone up there.
Last edited by LnDRash; October 31, 2012 at 07:46 PM.
Also no, Obito touched Yondaime only once for sure ( when he grabbed him ), in their last bout I don't think Obito made contact before Yondaime teleported. If so then it wouldn't explain why Yondaime triumphed, since as he admitted himself Kamui was superior to Hiraishin.
As for Bee, how do we know it?
If Yondaime can react to Obito materializing behind him ( when we know he completely erases his presence when he's intangible, meaning Yondaime reacted the split second after Obito materialized ) I think he can react just fine to an attack.
Its not Hiraishin level, but he still dodged a full powered Kyuubi from point blank range while teleporting to save Kushina, so we can assume he's still faster than Kabuto even without Hiraishin.Quote:
Still as you said Sage Mode is a great counter to fast users, so yeah
Itachi saved them the first time because Nagato was paying attention to Bee and Naruto, and had his connected vision suddenly cut off, meaning he couldn't keep track of Itachi, considering also Kabuto didn't knew Nagato was a sensor.Quote:
With one arm Nagato was grabbing Naruto, with the other(s) he was grabbing Bee, considering he also lacked mobility I doubt he could've dodged Itachi.
I mean we're still talking about 3 top tiers at the same time.
As for Oro, that was mostly Manda, when Oro fought the both of them Tsunade punched him in the jaw, after which they retired
Pretty good point, even though we don't know if the King of Hell becomes visible when resurrecting someone or not.Quote:
And yes, the, like, 20 handseals and more would be pretty difficult to "mask".
Considering also Kabuto has the elemental advantage over Goemon...
No name-callings, the thread is about Kabuto vs Minato and Jiraiya, not how biased users are.
So keep going gentlemen - UB
Obito killed minato's wife.
Obito almost killed minato's son.
Obito killed a hundred/thousand of konoha's ninjas/people.
And yet obito held back against minato? It doesn't make any sense at all.
You forgetting something, that fight happened in an instant and it ended in an instant. So, how can obito use an asspull jutsu if minato kick his butt in a second? And even if he use his bunch of jutsus, then it's mean that minato would going to counter it with his amazing jutsu. Remember, minato's jutsu is some how a crucial in this thread. If minato use an asspull power from his caliber that can trash obito more, a power beyond uchiha's knowledge, a power that can put him in the same level or above than madara, then this thread is boring like hell.
This doesn't change the fact that Kabuto's likely to tank the rasengan and continue fighting, considering he did prepare for rasengan before he had a better body and better regenerative power.
I never said he took rasengan for the hell of it, Minato bested him there. I don't see how that can be argued. But, Tobi didn't go all out otherwise he would have used different jutsu. I don't think they have the same strength, but that's not important in ability to use jutsu.Quote:
It does based on what we've seen. If we infer Itachi can beat Jiraiya at this point, it'd be reasonable because of what we've seen Jiraiya and Itachi do. Itachi's genjutsu is hard to overcome that even Orochimaru would have taken a while to break. Jiraiya would be killed before he even had a chance since unlike Orochimaru, he wouldn't be spared. By the end of Part I though, we could infer Jiraiya could beat Itachi because we saw nothing to show that Itachi could beat Jiraiya, especially when he and Kisame claimed that Itachi would at best tie with Jiraiya.Quote:
Don't knock down inferences, they can be accurate given enough information. It's no different from people saying "Jiraiya won't look at Itachi or Sasuke in the eyes! Minato will fight without looking at either in the eyes! Same with Naruto!" when we've only seen one or two fights where no one looked at Sharingan in the eyes. Not only that, it was GAI who came up with this method, so far no one else even mentioned it, not even Chiyo. And, Naruto himself looked at Edo Tensei Itachi in the eyes despite being told not to do so months ago when he fought against the not-real Itachi. And even then, he fell under Itachi's genjutsu with just a finger.
Yet, Jiraiya, Minato, Naruto get a free pass with this.
And there's nothin to tell you Jiraiya or Minato could hurt Kabuto when even Itachi and Sasuke were unable to. It took an asspull and plot to beat Kabuto. Minato can't win against kabuto either because he has no way to injure him. Hraishin mark isn't gonna stay on Kabuto since he can use Oral Rebirth or liquify that part out of the way.Quote:
I never said Minato sucks. I'm just pointing out what I've seen. The only skill Minato has that can help him is speed, and even that's nto as much of a help if Kabuto can react thanks to his Sage Mode.
if Kabuto's out of Sage Mode somehow, then I can see Minato and Jiraiya winning. But until then, Kabuto can hurt Minato in close quarters without even touching him, thanks to chakra scalpel. Hell, Kabuto can take Jiraiya out of the equation by taking out his heart like he did to Naruto, there won't be any Tsunade to save Jiraiya.
That's a horn, which didn't really affect Kabuto at all.Quote:
When did it overcome Kakashi's S rank? I thought they canceled out, at the least, although his gloves were shredded. Even if Kabuto's suiton doesn't stop goemon, it can weaken it to the point that Kabuto won't be as badly damaged by it.Quote:
Any limit would be based upon the amount of chakra he has left, which thanks to the enhancement by Uzumaki Dna and sage Mode, would still be a considerable amount. Also, that's pretty flawed reasoning when we have people like Tsunade and various Edo summons dodging despite all of them having regeneration power.
We know because Kirabi's tentacle had already went well past him before Minato could notice it. Hiraishin isn't an automatic defense. Minato would first have to be aware of the danger before he teleport. There's a difference between that and Tobi slowly rising up out of the ground.
He still fought them, in a situation where he had a disadvantage of no ninjutsu. What exactly does it say about them if they couldn't defeat someone who couldn't even use his arms. Out of the three, his disadvantage was the greatest.
Obito didn't kill Kushina. He didn't give a crap about whether she lived or died.
Obito didn't almost kill Naruto. He had completely expected Minato to save the child.
Obito didn't kill hundred/thousand of Konoha ninjas. That was all the Kyuubi's action.
Given both his past record and current record, Obito holding back and not killing Minato isn't anything out of the ordinary.
Izanagi doesn't take that long to pull off, as shown in his battle with Konan. At worst, it would have still meant he lost the hand, but as we've already seen him fight several times with a single arm, it likely wouldn't have been a big deal. And no, Minato wouldn't have countered with some "unknown" technique. If Minato had something that could easily deal with Tobi, he would have used it instead of screwing around.
Are you serious?
It only take 2 Jutsu to take out Kabuto.
1.) Frog Call -> Instant Genjutsu Sound attack. That paralyze the opponent. [It was first used by Pa+ma frog on konoha invasion]
2.) The Stick -> Easily revert back to Non-Sage Kabuto
Frog call is faster than Tayuya Flute jutsu that required to be play.
he cant perform oral rebirth from "Frog Call" jutsu. His paralyze, he wont be able to use any jutsu.. Meaning Rasengan would damage him. specially "Sage Art Ultimate Rasengan". <- u have no idea what Kabuto body durability, if his not in "Sage Mode and Not able to use Oral Rebirth". He get 1 shotted.
if a Blast from 4th tail Naruto capable of killing Orochimaru even with oral rebirth jutsu. so he had to use his 3 ultimate defensive jutsu to tank that. so that he can survive..
now kabuto not in sage mode, cant use oral rebirth, no defensive capacity. Pretty sure a cut to his brain would damage him.. we dont know if kabuto have whitesnake form like orochimaru that can be still alive even after his brain get destroyed.
Last edited by Lemonadez; November 03, 2012 at 10:50 PM.
Secondly, using the "stick" is questionable at best, considering his liquidification would allow him to bypass it by turning into water the moment he was hit. Not to mention that since he took Juugo's ability to passively gather natural energy, he would be capable of returning to Sage Mode whenever he wished.
And thirdly, both his liquidification and regeneration are passive, he wouldn't have to "active" the in order to benefit from them. Nor do either Jiraiya or Minato have something comparable to a 4th tail Naruto's Bijuu Blast, so it being able to threaten Orochimaru is a moot point. And it was made quite clear that Kabuto did have Orochimaru's White Snake abilities.
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Last edited by Rikudou King; November 04, 2012 at 10:35 PM.
Wow it got to 11 pages
Anyway i still belive that a tactic where Minato get's a tag behind Kabuto as Kabuto is ocupied with a lot of frogs and then teleport with JMan there so JMan can Senpou: Goemon his but should give them a very goot shoot at winning this.
Also let's not forget that going water mode AFTER the hit does not heal him up... Horn is prof of that. Also he can't regenerate if the damage is good enough (horn).
So if Minato blasts him with a tag the damage would be done, how much no idea. Now imagine Minato teleporting with JMan with a Ultimate Rasengan and smashing Kabuto before he can go water mode (Itachi could and he has NO ST)... By, by Kabuto.
Last edited by xXan; November 05, 2012 at 02:14 AM.
Are you positive about that? It implies that he did in fact take Jugo's DNA along with everyone else's being shown. Just wanted to point that out.