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So, political science, ... nice!
About ToG, you said you have almost religious affection for Androssi. I remember, some weeks ago someone wrote in the current chapter discussion thread that an author can't develop properly a character greater than him... I confess you that comment makes me think of you: "It's Jammin alter ego"...
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You like pairing talk, and ToG. I think ToG is like a love & tragic story. In the thread about pairing I said the question about who is the girl for Baam is probably the most important of the story, because many things have to happen to make believable the event that Baam gets to love another girl, and when that will come to happen the story will reach its end. What you think about it?
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Getting Baam to become the sort of character who could fall in love with a girl is going to require some work on SIU's part. Because love is a two way street as they say. I think it would probably be easier for SIU to just go the "Loads of girls fall in love with the protagonist but nothing ever comes of it" route. That would be the safe thing for him to do but I hope he goes another direction. Regardless though, I'd like to see SIU at the very least start experimenting with that.
Maybe start with Wangan or Leesoo as a trail runs.
The Traveler/Emilie thing doesn't really count since the romance subplot seems to have been created with the character.
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I fact SIU has already drawn some lines about the theme of love. I think Androssi could be his first trail, since, as Emile said, she's a woman who teach that you have to date not to fall in love, but wants to be loved. Such a great base to develop a love story... :-)
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If you are not reading it, and talking about fantastic characters, you should give it a try to Nanatsu no Taizai.
I think that's the part of romance plotlines that get fouled up most often. A good love story can't just be "love". It needs to be a sense of connection and importance between two characters powerful enough to lead into love. That's how love stories attain a feeling of true depth. I think how he regarded Rachel was the closest SIU's characterization of Baam has ever come to that but even that fell somewhat short since it proved to be more "obsession" than "connection".
YKK, if you decide to give it a try. You are very welcome to join us in the collective reading of it. We are reading a volume per week, and now we are in volume 6. But of course, your posts about the first volume will be very welcome by the readers :-)
On a comment aside, I already read all Noblesse chapters. I guess that manhwa is about a particular aesthetic, mainly focused on male good lucking guys. It's not a deep story with interesting thoughts; with the exception of Rai and Franki the characters lack of complexity and are rather plain. I'll keep reading to see what happens with those both guys. :-)
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I see now I wrote as a blind fanatic of poetry, which I can be. Of course if you don't like poetry, my suggestion won't sound attractive to you. Still, aside of my poor suggestion, it would be nice if you give it a try.
A note from wiki:
As for whether or not comics can be poetry. I don't see why not. Although I tend to think of poetry as being "an artful use of language" and I can think of quite a few comics and anime achieve that to great effect.(Gintama and Monogatari jump to mind). Anything visual I mentally categorize as "Art". Which sometimes when done well can absolutely take your breath away even in comic form but I'm not sure I'd ever relate that to the peotry. I think those are two separate aspects, if that makes sense.
Noblesse as the title indicates is about Noblesse Oblige the concept that Spiderman's late uncle best summarized when he said "With great power comes great responsibility.". Noblesse at it's best is about an all powerful being whose obligated by that power to give everything he has to protect and help those around him. And then watching that conflict with other super-powered beings that believe "Might makes right". I'm hopeful it can one day go even beyond that, by cleverly using the character Shin Woo, but it hasn't really managed it so far.
As I said in my last review I think Noblesse is suffering quite a lot right now from the attention that it's author and artist are giving their other, and in my opinion lesser, series Ability. Which has caused the series to feel like it stalled out to some degree but I'm confident it will get back on track eventually.
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I like the association that uncle made between responsibility and power. But I wouldn't pretend that much of Noblesse, simply because the authors seems to be involved much more with the aesthetic than with making a strong development of their main characters. Iow, they prefer to draw good locking guys and cool fights than to go into the depths of Rai or Franki's personalities. The worst case was the one of these three dolls, (that's how I call them):
Given their stories, it's a bit far-fetched to see them guarding together the halls of a school. Always that I see them walking together, perfectly in step, I can't avoid to think they are walking through a runaway, presenting some clothes of Giorgio Armani or some elegant brand
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inherently focused on the literary side. What your referring to I just call "art" which carries a much broader definition meant to cover things like Dancing.
That being said I've never been huge on poetry for it's own sake. Like, I would never sit down and read poems. That's just not something I would ever want to do but I can appreciate it when a manwha, manga, or anything really uses language to says something in a way that perfectly relays both thought and emotion.
I'll use 2 Gintama quotes as an example.
"The country? The skies? You can have them. I’m busy just protecting what’s right in front of me. I don’t know what’ll happen to me in the future, but if something has fallen at my feet, then the least I can do is pick it up."
~ Sakata Gintoki
"Weep and ask for help. Lean on me with your runny nose. Cry when you feel like crying. Laugh when you feel like laughing. When you're tearing up with an ugly face, I'll give you a good cry with an uglier face. When you're laughing so hard your stomach hurts, I'll laugh in a louder voice. That's how it should be. It's far better to get dirty while living true to yourself, than to throw away yourself and die a clean death."
~ Sakata Gintoki
It's lines like those which I like because they relay so much about a character and deliver it perfectly. In ToG Androssi has some similarly great lines in season one when she explains betrayal to Baam.
This is a "male" character in his other series Ability... hard to believe, I know.
Tao, Takeo, and M-21 are definitely Bishi's but they're role in the plot I think is very defined. They are, as their self proclaimed title of Raizel's Knights suggests, Knights. They found a lord they think is worth serving in Raizel and that's what they do. In a way Raizel is the Lord of his little domain and they as knights protect it. I think that's very much what the core of their characters are. I have to admit I don't think any of them are particularly strong as individual characters though. Some of the weakest parts of last arc were the parts focusing on them because it often felt fairly pointless. I think they are solid side characters though even if they don't really belong in the spotlight. As for how they look. That's just how the artist chooses to draw them and it's up to you how you feel about that.
I think it's all worthwhile for the times when the artist turns his attention to female characters.
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For instance, I haven't read Gintama; but I guess that those breathtaking lines are much more than texts, they are part of a music, to say it so, in which the drawings also play its role. That is that particular kind of art that could only be properly attributed to a comic, I guess.
But I won't tell nothing about YKK achievements until you have read it :-)
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How are you going with YKK? I'd like to keep our conversation about some mangas as breathtaking art in the thread.
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Chapter 24 is still pinned to my bookmark toolbar but I haven't managed to get back to it yet. As most of my free time has being sacrificed to video games recently. Those video games being Divinity Dragon Commander and Warframe. Both of which are really addicting. I'm hopefully I'll be resuming it by the end of the week but Tales of Xillia is sitting beside my PS3 right now....so we'll have to see about that.
Jam Jam - how ya meen mate?
You might have mentioned this before in other places but Im going to ask here.
Recent thoughts on the last few chapters?
I hate being social...I wanna drink tea and read!
None of that stopped me from somehow sinking 100+ hours into Warframe in the last 3 weeks though (it's always funny when steam horrifies you with numbers like that)
What do you think?
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