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Law, Buggy, and a new character. They all can't be old favorites.
So who's going to replace Doflamingo?
My question is not so much who joins, but for how much longer does the government even maintain the post? The Shichibukai are falling apart. Of the nine identified members, five have already either resigned or been expelled. Crocodile, Gecko Moriah, Jinbe, Teach, and now Doflamingo. Law's status is currently unknown, and likely undecided. Considering the Governments hatred for Luffy, Law could well be expelled himself. Three positions were just filled during the time skip. Another position is already open, and possibly a second. The Shichibukai are supposed to be feared and respected. How much fear and respect could the position inspire after so much recent turmoil? The Government can't even maintain consistent membership.
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Now that Doflamingo is gone... I'd say either Eneru or an Impel Down escapee...
Meh it does not take for people to betray the government a lot. I mean look at Blackbeard? He jumped positions from pirate, to government agent in a snap! So either the WG has some secret plan with the most loyal Shichibukai, which should be Kuma and Mihawk, and Dofla was never safe for this position, Oda foreshadowed his resignation when he talked to the guy in the hat before the time skip.
I just really want to see on what basis do they pick them, in more detail. Even Mihawk betrayed them a bit by training Zoro. I mean this position is "just business" in the end. They have to change how they look on the shichibukai to have more permanent members, or just replace them with an army of super powerful Kumas. At least we know they will remain loyal.
Notoriety. Shichibukai have to be able to intimidate other pirates. Teach proved he was worthy by capturing Ace. Law by exchanging the hearts of 100 pirates.Quote:
enel is likely to be the new warlord or admiral why first he is the king of skypiea hence a noble thus he is corrupt and likely to be convinced to join the elite group of world govt
The only reason that the position of Shichibukai even exists is because the WG wants to do certain things using "criminals" and those individuals in turn use the protection of the WG to move about and achieve their own goals without the prying eyes of the Marines. Shichibukai aren't really much more then mercenaries, its just that they trade services for certain accommodations and privileges rather then money. The very concept of the position is highly unstable and rests on the fact that both sides need each other in order for it to work.
Meaning that if one side has gotten all they can or want from the other they will easily leave since they have no ties or obligations to one another. You can call it betrayal or whatnot but at the end of the day there has to be a mutual trust between parties in oder for there to be betrayal, but trust is something i have yet to see from any of the Shichibukai towards the WG. Kuma not included. Simply put the title of Shichibukai is a means to an end for both parties. So naturally its expected for it to be a bit of a revolving door especially depending on the times.
Privateers is the correct term, not mercenaries. They are pirates granted government sanction to plunder. In real life, those were privateers. Sir Francis Drake was a famous example.
Based on everything we know, until Luffy beat Crocodile, the position was very stable. If Shichibukai came and went with impunity, why would the government become so angry when Crocodile lost to Luffy. And why would they imprison Jinbe for refusing to fight against Whitebeard? Boa Hancock also was threatened for initially refusing the Government's summons to fight at Marineford. She only agreed in order to smuggle Luffy into Impel Down. These actions are only explainable if the Government seeks stability, and requires loyalty, from the Shichibukai.
It is well known that both sides have something to gain from the arrangement. The Shichibukai form part of the balance of power, along with the Marines they work as a counterweight against the Yonkou. They also act to intimidate lesser Pirates, the reason the Government was so angry Crocodile lost to a then unknown rookie. Each individual Shichibukai have been shown to have their own motives for joining. It's a business arrangement, both sides have something to gain. Trust is not a factor.
In Jinbe's case it was obvious that they had to imprison him because he showed up to ID and publicly sided with WB, the very man that the WG was going to fight against. It would make no sense the let Jinbe do whatever he wanted after deciding to chose WB over the WG, that act alone made him a criminal once again and just like with all criminals he was imprisoned. And Hancock did what she did in large part because the WG threatened to strip her of her Shichibukai title which would then lift its protection over Amazon Lily. None of those examples have any signs of the WG wanting loyalty, those are examples of the WG letting the Shichibukai have privileges that at any time can be revoked by them if the Shichibukai don't play the rules of the WG.
We saw another example of this when the WG had Doflamingo attempt to take out Moria. If you want to talk about real genuine loyalty then trust has to be there, you can't have loyalty without trust. A business arrangement has nothing to do with loyalty. Criminals aren't loyal to the people who are naturally their opposites, thats why the WG has to give incentives for criminals to join the Shichibukai and at the same time punish them by taking those privileges back for stepping out of line. Because if they don't then it makes them look weak. If the WG wanted loyalty within the Shichibukai they wouldn't need to make deals with criminals. As i said the whole concept of the position is anything but stable because you have two polar opposite forces working together to further their own individual goals.
How do you figure there has historically been instability in the ranks. As Samui pointed out, most of the Shichibukai have been members for years, some for a decade, or more. What actual evidence suggests that before Alabasta, the Shichibukai as an unstable organization? So far all evidence indicates a historically stable organization, only recently wracked by instability.
What makes you think there is genuine loyalty between the Government and Shichibukai? When has either side acted particularly loyal? Both pirates and government openly are only working together out of mutual benefit. The organization is not supposed to foster trust. The World Government itself is hopelessly corrupt and untrustworthy. It's a corrupt arrangement, not meant to foster trust. It's a matter of convenience for both sides. It's stability, until recently, rested on mutual benefit for all parties involved.
As a result Shichibukai join for short term gains and the WG goes as far as to eliminate members of the Shichibukai they don't see fit to serve anymore because the times are unstable and there is nothing binding the two parties other then individual motives. Also i never said that the WG requires loyalty from the Shichibukai, you said that. To which i replied basically saying that anyone whose "loyalty" can be bargained for is not someone that anyone with any sense would deem to be a loyal individual. Therefore if you want to use the term loyalty in the proper sense it has to include trust. Which is why there is no loyalty between the WG and the Shichibukai. Hence the reason we see some members stick around and others come and go before hardly anyone knows they've even become Shichibukai. The role of Shichibukai changes with the times. But Marines, pirates, WG members and etc. don't switch sides left and right depending on where they can get the most for themselves.