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Last edited by darkprince0521; November 16, 2012 at 06:46 AM.
Gai is out cold, and Kakashi is effective against Obito only if he works with a partner.
Kyuubi or Naruto in control doesn't change much except for skills such as giving chakra, since their chakra is melded, thus is always Kyuubi+Naruto.
Of course we don't know if Madara can control the Juubi or not, its plausible that the Juubi is too much even for Madara, but do you see Madara out of the picture so quickly?
I personally don't, but its also true that only the Juubi has a realistic chance to end him
Its how this manga is, you have ultra-fast characters that uses shunshin once in a while ( Naruto, Sasuke and Itachi above all ), others who don't use shunshin at all ( Nagato ) yet can fight without problems.
And Obito doing that to Naruto isn't the same as doing it to Yondaime, since Yondaime, countrary to Naruto, can teleport
Obito's intention was to halt Yondaime the moment needed to teleport him, chains weren't his main weapon, Kamui was.Quote:
And again using the chains or Mokuton is irrelevant since both are useless.
Its like Naruto using an Oodama Rasengan instead a normal Rasengan against Edo Nagato, both would've been absorbed, but is Naruto stupid because he didn't use his strongest attack?
Effective or not, doesn't change the fact that Mokuton is unbelievably effective against Bijuu chakras, as Madara's Wood dragon proved.Quote:
See how Bee was immobilizated by it.
Blame Naruto for being stronger than both jutsus if he's not captured
Then please tell me why would he use Mokuton instead of Kamui, when Kamui is clearly the better jutsu.Quote:
As for the dimension, did you forget that Obito went in his own dimension soon after, to take Sasuke out?
Considering neither Sasuke nor Karin saw anything. its safe to assume Obito teleported the 2 fodders elsewhere
How he was tagged?Quote:
He had no knowledge on Obito's jutsu and thus he slipped through him, the chains acted just like Mokuton, trying to bind him. Just like the chains, Mokuton would be useless since Yondaime would just use Hiraishin and escape.
Is not wrong, because:Quote:
-no ninja except Kakashi ( maybe Yondaime, if he can Hiraishin between dimensions ) can escape Kamui
-as we saw, not every sucked up enemy ends in the same position
-see ninjabot's explanation for the rest
He teleported Kakashi because Kakashi was about to pass out, he didn't know, just like Naruto didn't, that Kyuubi could freely give chakra.
Obito was outsmarted, for all intent and purpose Kakashi was supposed to be close to death
after some time you spot a body part materializing for few seconds, and you attack it? If you are fast and smart enough to conclude this is enemies body part and his major weakness, surely you are smart enough to know if you kill him, you are trapped in not so attractive dimension.
Not to mention, again, Obito isn't the most skilled ninja in the world, he never was. Hashirama's cells gave him a body that was fast and strong. His Sharigan gave him insight and his MS ability, and the Rinnegan would give him jutsu. He is still lacking in intelligence and skill.
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Sacrificing one evil, twisted, and psychotic person for the fate of the whole world seems reasonable, even if he was your childhood friend. Kakashi cares about Naruto, Sakura, Kurenai, Shikamaru, Gai, etc does he not? Or does Obito's life mean more than all of theirs?
Kakashi obviously thinks Obito is easy target now that they figured out his weakness.
He doesn't need to kill him to defeat him, and he needs him alive for so many reasons: Explanations, friends, Yamato, bijuu control, defeating Madara, etc...
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Kakashi is a killer ninja similary to Minato so when it is needed of him to kill, he will kill. It's that simple. He did this to Kakuzu & he was about to kill Sasuke too until Naruto intervened. Even Naruto now understands that he will kill Sasuke if he has to.
The fate of the entire planet of earth relies on Kakashi & co. Kakashi already had the killer intent to kill Tobi in order to stop his messed up plan of taking over the planet. That why he had been using one-shot kill moves on Tobi the last few chapters inspite him knowing his true identity. In this chapter, Kakashi had the perfect, easiest & greatest opportunity to end Tobi's pathetic butt yet he didn't.
It wasn't because Kakashi wanted to convince Tobi so that he can get an "Explanations, friends, Yamato, bijuu control, defeating Madara, etc", Kakashi knew what is at stake.
If Tobi kills anyone in the upcoming chapters, I'm gonna be pissed because Kakashi did a 180 for the sake of plot.
idk if anyone noticed but kurama seems very layed back, it may just be his personality not to flip out and worry but hes acting very cool within this whole battle bee and hachibi are showing concern and a hint or two of worry but naruto and kurama seem cool as a pickle
and naruto just seems confident as ever and being inflinching in his optimism
i wonder do they have something up there sleves, maybe the nine names and whatever the other bijuu did to naruto will kick in, or they are just plain o stupid
Well, Kurama obviously put his complete trust in Naruto and considering the fact that Naruto didn't really get ANY injury since Kurama started cooperating tells us that he's powerful as all hell. His confidence and maturity are also something that describes his next level of power. We have yet to see their seriousness. You know they haven't given their all since Kurama looks bored just like Madara outside.
The other thing is - I don't think Obito stated he wanted to kill Minato. And the way he fought Minato... he had the bombs on Naruto and the trap/trick, but he tried to warp him into that dimension. Why try to do that? Why not just use all of his power and fight him if he was really after revenge? I think Obito wanted more than just to kill Minato. Though I should caveat this by saying... again... this is a time in the manga that Kishimoto was holding onto the 'secret' of Tobi.
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A: Madara as an ET double-crosses Obito. Maybe the 10 tails cannot be the hosted by an ET, so Madara goes ahead, maybe using a hax version of Orochimaru's soul transferring jutsu, and takes over Obito's body.
How Convenient! LOL Madara, being mortal, can then be killed.
B: Obito has some kind of eff'd up change of heart. Who knows how, why or for what outcome...
C: Obito is off'd in a much more epic fashion than being raikir'd in his own dimension.
I think there's still more to know about Rin and what happened but I'm not at all surprised that Kakashi didn't kill him back then. Because not a lot of time even passed, and Kakashi probably had little time to react at all (at first). The second shot... anyone's guess. I thought it was great. Body shots. lol
Oh, and since Ginkaku and Kinkaku ate Kyuubi chakra before Minato split the Kyuubi's chakra, does that mean Kurama will be whole again when he reabsorbs the 9 tails chakra from the Juubi?
Probably not because half of his chakra is still in the belly of the death god.Quote:
One thing I always wondered is... if the bijuu return from the dead after a while and reach their full strength again everytime they're killed, what's to say Kurama didn't just recover his full chakra amount as time went on? I mean, it'd explain why the seal began to get weaker. He wasn't killed, but recovering chakra should have been as simple as chilling for a while.