in the words of gene hackman- you dont put on a condom unless your going to @#$%@#$ <-- well you know.
Isshin learned the FGT. Isshin used the FGT. there would be no reason to learn a technique like that unless he was required to use it.
His knowledge and as yet undescribed use of it, allowed him to train ichigo on how to enter his inner world in bankai state, and thereby aquire it from Tensa.
I cannot support any assertion that he learned FGT and did not use it, it makes no sense.
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I like this isshin idea,
If you notice the insignia- It has only 4 markings on it, yet there are 5 zero members. perhaps an incident caused them to add another person among thier ranks- possibly to preserve a power ratio that we are as yet - unaware of .
But I do like the isshin theory-
so you believe that isshin did not had any reason to use it ? and about quit being a shinigami it could very well be a way of saying thoughts ...could mean he didn't even try to get his powers back after he lost them once...coz he was happy with his family and didn't need shinigami powers anymore...Quote:
if isshin was just a shinigami soul and used FGT what would remain of him ? a normal soul...he won't disappear...not every soul is a shinigami...he would just have to settle in rukongai rather than inside ss(if he was a memebr of ss) :PQuote:
this all is your speculation...which is not proved yet...you can strongly support it but then its not a proven fact until we are enlightened by Mr.Kubo himself...Quote:
you just assuming that isshin also uses gigai...arent ya ? anyways for every spirit their needs to be a medium to interact with normal people...so its obvious atleast for vaizards...Quote:
ichigo is not considered as part of g13
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Ok, why learn Shikai or Bankai? The same answer is here - to grow a deeper bond with your Zan. You don't always need to use all you have. The same way Isshin showed his power against Aizen in their one on one fight. He didn't even use Shikai, not even talking about Bankai, so by your logic, why didn't he use it if he learned them? It's obvious - because he didn't need to.Quote:
Of course. For now, until we know that he used it - he didn't use it. It's a simple rule of logic. To learn about something and to use it - that's absolutely different things. It is stated that he voluntearly quited being Shinigami, not that he lost his powers.Quote:
You are assuming it again... First - normal soul can't get in or out of SS without a help of Shinigami. It's basics. Even Ichigo's friends had to rely on Urahara's help to do it and they had to convert themselves in spiritual forms to get their via Senkaimon...Quote:
So you post your speculations about FGT and say that it's obvious and then tend to say that what I presented with the actual words of Urahara and Isshin from manga are my speculations? Ok. Let's not argue more, because I doubt we are going to get anywhere. If you even think that when I state that Isshin being a Shinigami and Shinigami Captain is my speculations, then why should we continue argueing?Quote:
You know, it's like maths... if a normal person can't see a Spiritual Being like Shinigami or Hollow, then to interact with them such being has to use Gigai... The same goes for Vaizards and Isshin as well. Don't you think it's logical?Quote:
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dont hate. lol.
We all know that a straight up battle of raw power vs. raw power wasn't ever going to happen because Aizen had KS and to top it all off he himself never uttered the word Bankai. Aizen is living proof the having more raw power then someone doesn't guarantee you victory at all. Hence the reason i think why the Zero Division may fall into a similar category as Aizen in terms of possessing a combination of power + unique abilities and why Kyoraku stated their combined power surpassed that of the Gotei 13. We saw one guy take them all down, so five being able to do it isn't a stretch at all.
Isshin is likely in permanent release state like Ichigo. He used Getsuga Tenshou against Aizen. So obviously he was in at least shikai...
He shouted Getsuga Tenshou -___-
What does Ichigo using a technique subconsciously have to do with Isshin actively using Getsuga Tenshou? The mere fact that he shouted it out let you knew that he was choose to use and as a result had to be in at least shikai...
The Menos wasn't attacked by GT...he wasn't even using his own shinigami powers at that time.