on your other point; Shikamaru himself disagrees with you. since he went through great pain to make preparations to defeat Hidan. you may interpret in many ways; the way i see it is, because Shikamaru couldn't defeat Hidan head on, he had to resort to being prepared beforehand.
while I like him as a character, the very fact he needs Chouji to beat Asuma, after all his training, shows he's nowhere near Elite Jounin level yet.
Someone like Asuma should've been child's play for him, expecially seeing the difference in intelligence and the fact that he trained his butt off to be a model for Kurenai's child.
As the manga is now, a plethora of characters would be able to shrugg off Shikamaru casually thanks to their retardedly haxed powers, expecially in one on one situations.
Simply put, Shikamaru is excellent as support just like Kakashi, ironically another extremely intelligent guy
in the manga, without prior knowledge, Hidan is nigh unbeatable, and skill-wise he completely ridiculed Asuma ( an Elite Jounin ) despite having to dodge Shikamaru's shadow as well
Personally disappointed how Kishi neglected the rookies growth. Although Choji is now awesome and beast.
Choji is arguably Elite Jonin level. Thanks to being able to slim-down instantly.
Since if you remove Top tier and God tier, I wouldn't say he's too bad.
Out of the Rookies, I think we should do this again at this point in the story.
Who is strongest:
Tsunade is extremely strong. I think it would be wrong to compare Shikamaru to a Kage.
But he said Shikamaru would lose to any high tier nin. I want to know what we are classifying as "high tier".
Genma Shiranui? Aoba Yamashiro? Kurenai Yuhi?
C? Suigetsu? Juugo?
What sort of level of ninjas are we calling "Mid tier" or "High tier" etc.
Can we agree that someone in this manga that is close to Naruto, needs to die? So Naruto can prove to Obito that you don't have to change your outlook on life just because someone close to you died by anothers hands.
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If you were to get rid of one person, or a few people from the rookies or the army that is close to Naruto, who would you think would be a good character to die for that growth or adult development in Naruto?
Sakura. She needs to die for naruto to go berserk and kill obito, madara and juubi with his amazing jutsu he learned from jiraiya/minato.
umm what about kiba.....is he not narutos rival (he said he considered naruto a rival of his) -and him and naruto do seem chummy chummy...he is close enough to naruto but far enough from the main story that his death would not mess things up
But other than that he is a minor character...
Obviously Kishi doesn't care anymore though
Chouji was used as a retarded plot device to end a retarded fight that was done so Bee and Naruto didn't have to die for resurrecting Juubi.
Chouji isn't awesome, neither he's a beast imo.
Sadly he's above Elite Jounin, considering he owned Kakuzu like nothing.
Naruto, Gai, Kakashi, Tsunade, his father, Chouji, arguably Neji and Hiashi, Shino ( considering he doesn't need to physically move to control his insects ).Quote:
Not many, but there are a lot of them. Do consider that Konoha had a lot of guys dying that now would be above Shika ( Danzou and Jiraiya, just to name two ).
Kakashi has the most haxed jutsu in existanceQuote:
Regarding the list, I would put Neji way lower ( either below or above Shino ), and Kiba on the bottom right above Tenten, considering Ino can control him like nothing and both Sakura and Hinata would murder him in taijutsu.
Casualties? Some of the good guys die? In Naruto I'm reading?
the rookies came in time to madara summon a meteor and get rid of them.
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Did I hear the word "casualties"? Wut?