Us not knowing the specifics doesn't change the fact that it was greatly implied that Sasuke would achieve MS. We're talking foreshadowing, not explicitness.
As for the MS, when was it implied that he would achieve it. Just because many readers wanted Sasuke to gain the MS, doesn't mean the manga foreshadowed such an event.
We saw nothing to suggest that Naruto was going to stick with utilising only the Kyuubi chakra post-timeskip. After he injured Sakura in his battle against Orochimaru, he wasn't interested in utilising the Kyuubi's chakra because of his utter lack of control. The first real effort to control the Kyuubi came after he had already learned SM. And there's no chance of Sasuke attaining Snake SM< probably because he has no interest in learning it. Add that to the fact that the snakes probably aren't particularly fond of him, and I'd say his circumstances are very different from Naruto's.
As for Sasuke v Deidara, you point to Sasuke's alternative options for survival, yet Sasuke thought it necessary to utilise the ability. And just because he didn't use it frequently doesn't mean that when he used it that it wasn't necessary for his survival. And your argument that Sasuke doesn't rely solely on MS techniques, or during the first few moments of the battle, to survive indicates that it is not necessary for him to compete is nonsensical. Without the abilities he would lose quite easily. I don't know why it is so difficult to see that. By your reasoning, SM wasn't necessary for Naruto to compete against Pain because he didn't utilise it for the entirety of the battle. And it doesn't take more than one or two techniques to fight against top-notch opponents, if the two techniques are impressive enough they'd probably suffice, Sasuke's MS techniques for example. And your argument utilising Konohomaru's use of Rasengan is just asinine. Sasuke was capable of accomplishing quite a bit without the use of his CS or MS, but that doesn't change the fact that the MS allowed him to compete against his later opponents.
It's not nonsensical. Sasuke didn't merely fight for a single moment before calling upon MS. He fought for sometime, pushing his opponents into tougher roles before using MS. Naruto fought nearly entirety with Sage Mode. It's the reverse of what had been going on with Sasuke. We've seen just having an hax technique is not enough and that the majority of powerful ninjas are powerful in addition to having said techniques. My example about Konohamaru is prefect for this situation, as that's exactly what you're trying to claim about Sasuke, that only due to his techniques could he manage, despite ignoring evidence showing otherwise. He didn't need MS to fight on their level. Heck, if that was the case, then he would never have gotten far with Itachi...
Because villains don't make statements of this sort, ever. Sasuke didn't have the same eyes when he 'defeated' Itachi, soooo.Quote:
I guess I could've been more clear, Sasuke would actively oppose the idea of becoming a snake sage, especially since he is now a hawk guy. And Orochimaru and Kabuto never offered up the boss of the snakes as a sacrifice.Quote:
Avoiding a bomb is rather important, have you seen what Deidara's bombs do to a person.Quote:
Gaara seems to have gotten somewhere using the sand manipulation.Quote:
No its not. Rasengan is a singular offensive technique, Sasuke's MS includes three ridiculous techniques on entirely different levels. All techniques are not equal. And let's see, without Amaterasu, or Susanoo, how does Sasuke register as any semblance of competition for A?Quote:
I thought everyone had realised that this fight was staged by a dying brother hoping to aid his brother.Quote:
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plus, I don't see Raikage bein affected by that at all because of his raiton and ability to withstand pain.
Not really, he was still saved. He still had more chances of dying, and he had serious trouble against Kakashi. Naruto still doesn't need to worry since he can die at a normal age or even a bit later. Instead of dying when he's 120, he can die at 90 or something, which is still lengthy.
So? All that wound and tiredness went away when it was convenient. All that happened was him falling when he wasn't really in danger, if I recall.
Naruto trained for that in regards to kyuubi's chakra. I won't disagree with that. That's the chakra mode training I defend, since Naruto is the one controlling the chakra completely, not Kyuubi.Quote:
It's still different from doing it in bijuu mode. He still pulled off enough power to match like, three or five bijuu bomb in his first try, without trainign for it in bijuu mode.
Pain was never at full power, he used a massive Shinra Tensei and fought Konoha and Naruto, using up a lot of chakra. Shinra Tensei took tons of chakra from him, as we see from him bleeding and coughing. If Pain or Nagato was at full power, Chibaku Tensei would not have collapsed and Nagato would not have died from using up his chakra. Naruto still had more power than Nagato at the end, and even more thanks to the Kyuubi.Quote:
Dunno, he did well against Muu with some assistance, where Oonoki had tons of trouble, and managed to take out other ET by surprise buttsecks no jutsu.
It's not life or death, as Sasuke unlocked it in rage against Itachi. Obito unlocked his in concern for Kakashi.Quote:
Against Danzou? It was just Karin, and that was only at the end. At the kage summit, Sasuke was outnumbered.Quote:
.. your point? We all know that. O_o Very few can beat Itachi in a fight, most likely Madara and Hashirama.Quote:
What? how? What Kyuubi does is give Naruto more chakra if he needs it. The only time I remember Naruto constantly using Kyuubi's chakra for tajuu kage bunshin was when he was training for fuuton, otherwise it's usually his own chakra.Quote:
Still not a foreshadow.Quote:
Fuuton: rasengan wouldn't really destroy Sasuke's arms, not that badly anyway. of course, I'm assuming that based on rasengan with some power, and Kakashi's arm after the fuuton: rasengan.Quote:
Which is why I wondered what made him do FRS. <_<
Kirin requires a lot of effort to set up, and Sasuke can't take his attention off Raikage to prep for Kirin. Plus, didn't he avoid Juugo's point-blank cannon? He can avoid Great Dragon Fire as well.
Does it have force without the pain, though? Because I only remember both Naruto and Sai being pushed back because of the pain from chidori current.
Almost everyone has weaknesses. The argument wasn't over perfection, it was over whether an individual could reach the upper echelons of ninja on one technique alone. Gaara has.Quote:
Naruto's two main techniques? Yeah, but Naruto has quite a few variants of Rasengan, Rasen Shurinken, their Shadow Clone Techniques are utterly incomparable, SM, Kyyubi, and just better stats in general. As for Great Dragon Fire, it wouldn't touch A, and even A allowed himself to be struck by it, it probably wouldn't have any effect. Kirin has no chance. We've seen that Sasuke can't utilise genjutsu against A, and Chidori Current is completely useless against A's lightning armour.Quote:
It may have been that he chose to wait until he could rid Sasuke of Orochimaru's influence entirely, or it may have been he just had other stuff to do first. The reality is that Itachi never intended to win the fight, and if he did Sasuke would be dead. And by the way, what does their battle have to do with his later battles, other than him getting the MS?Quote:
It still doesn't mean Itachi held back 90% of his power. it means Itachi didn't go all out, like he used 90% of his power instead of 100% of his power, or didn't use any chance he had to kill Sasuke when he could have. Itachi didn't wait to get rid of Orochimaru, he gave Sasuke enough challenge to get rid of Orochimaru without killing Sasuke.
Even if Itachi didn't hold back, he probably didn't even have half of his power initially.
Weakened by disease, drained chakra reserves, and on top of that, a massive loss in eyesight.
Sasuke wasn't in Itachi's league at that moment, that's what it is.
Same thing. He chose to wait for Sasuke to ran out of chakra instead of immediately killing jim off.
Naruto doesn't need me anymore, so I left him with another captain.
Think of Fuuton Rasengan as a Fire Chidori ( its impossible, but bear with me ):
they are simply a different version of the same jutsu, its not something new ( like we can't call new Oodama Rasengan ).
Fuuton Rasenshuriken its a total new jutsu, which Naruto created alone and, as I showed, that was the goal of the training
Do note that Obito did so when the seal was falling, otherwise he wouldn't be able to, as Kushina confirmed prior that.Quote:
Naruto's seal is strong, that's why Kyuubi can't be took from him
Realistically both Naruto and Sasuke should've died at least 3-4 times over, but they didn't, why?
Also 30 years lost of life is nothing?
Ask me if I want to live 30 years longer
He knew the process, he trained for it, he just couldn't hold it because its human form wasn't strong enough. Also in Bijuu mode Naruto and Kyuubi's chakras merges, so its pretty likely Kyuubi helped him out with control, if he couldn't do it.
Pein's only limit was when he couldn't use Shinra Tensei, otherwise he was always fine, since his body wasn't damaged and Nagato's own body still sustained him with enough chakra to revive an entire village.Quote:
Against Muu it was more a tag team between him and Gaara, and taking Muu by surprise with the lenghty arm
They were still in an environment they perceived was a threat for their lifes:Quote:
Sasuke was facing the one who murdered his whole clan, Obito was in the middle of a war, against an invisible opponent while Kakashi was wounded.
Point is, if Itachi so much wanted to he could've destroyed Sasuke here and then. Kyuubi wanted to squash Naruto, but he wasn't able to.Quote:
Add to this the difference in power between Kyuubi and Itachi, and you can see that Naruto had it rougher
You misunderstood Naruto's chakra for KB is his own, Kyuubi's regenerative abilities enabled Naruto to just pass out and not have his brain melted by dispelling 1000 clones at once.Quote:
Which would be avoided by Naruto dispelling one at a time
Its the best foreshadow you can expect from the first chapterQuote:
It actually would, since Raiton < Fuuton and Fuuton Rasengan is even a grade higher than Chidori, meaning Sasuke would face a superior jutsu while having the elemental disadvantage.Quote:
A throwable rasengan that explodes?
Who wouldn't want it ?
Sure it would, as we saw Sasuke could predict Ee's moment. And it holds the power to punch through solid rock. It may not kill him, but it would do damage. Kirin took out an entire mountain and broke an imprefect Susanoo, there's no reason it wouldn't take Ee out. Sasuke never tried a genjutsu against Ee, who we know can be caught by one, and the only part of the Chidori Current that is useless is the paralyzation.
But as far as we've been shown, that would make it a new technique. The Chidori variations, various versions of the clone technique, Gaara's arsenal, etc. Heck, all the Rasengan techniques are considered their own despite being basically the same. Also, isn't the Rasen-Shuriken simply the Fuuton Rasengan with a different shape added on/