Madara wipes the floor with The Alliance, Meteor no Jutsu style.
Obito decides to finally use his Rinnegan and Chou Shinra Tensei The Alliance
Ino controls the Juubi and makes it eat Madara and Obito
Sasuke crashes the party and every fangirl screams
Hinata reveals she's the mastermind behind the Juubi, and backstabs Naruto
Juubi & Co decide they are suddenly weaker and let the Alliance do their thing while standing still like robots
Juubi does NOT fire his Bijuuhameha at the Alliance and patiently waits until Kyuubi is ready to dance
Still you didn't understand my point ( my explanation was poor ), it wasn't that Naruto earned it and Sasuke don't, is that both of them earned some, and were handed a lot, lot more.
Right now Naruto without Kyuubi would destroy Sasuke without Itachi's eyes, since he would be blind by overuse of MS
My response was to the issue of Sasuke having a legit power-up while Naruto did not, which is false imo:
as I will always say, both had their free power ups, both had their earned power ups, and they are pretty similar in that aspect.
Naruto being born with Kyuubi doesn't change a thing imo, since, as I said above, if right now we would take what both of them received for free from others Naruto would have Sage Mode while Sasuke would be blind, so Sasuke being the "victim" or someone who got the short end of the stick is wrong.
Expecially with a scroll that will power him up with the likes of Madara
I'll be damned. You said this:Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
You said that if they were using their own powers Sasuke could not use the Sharingan. This implies that the Sharingan is not considered his power. It may not have been what you meant, but it's what you said. As for the MS I'll never understand how anyone could consider loss of sanity not a real cost.Originally Posted by you
Admittedly I meant Naruto's Kyuubi feats years before Chakra Mode. My bad. Though he'd never have had the opportunity if Minato hadn't prepped him with the sealing. So I maintain my "You're a lucky bastard Naruto. Thank Daddy for that Deus Ex" stance.Originally Posted by M3J
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^I do. But Itachi isn't responsible for Sasuke having the potential to gain MS in the first place. Itachi didn't alter his body when he was a child so that years in the future he could gain the MS. Also, you do know that had Obito not mentioned the truth about Itachi, Sasuke would've never experienced the emotional anguish necessary for him to gain MS from Itachi's death...right? It goes deeper than Itachi just dying. It's the mental and emotional duress.
This is true... to an extent. Remember, gaining a Sharingan isn't as simple as being an Uchiha. I don't have a problem admitting Sasuke's lucky to be born in a prodigious clan. I do have a problem believing that Sasuke and Naruto have an equal amount of luck and abilities handed to them. I also have a problem believing those who believe Sasuke is the more lucky of the two actually believe what they're claiming. Once again no one gave Sasuke the Sharingan.Originally Posted by M3J
Seriously sasuke power comes from his bloodline , we can call him lucky bastard!!! But this is his own power while naruto could loose all that power from the kuubi mode and he will loose it sooner or later, he promise to help out the bijuus, I'm assuming he will set them free and find a way to free kurama but naruto shouldn't neglected sennin-mode, that is bad ass power..
Another thing it crack me up about naruto getting the rinnegan, he is dumb that i doubt he will be able to use the rinnegan properly, naruto is more the physical body.
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Next chapter the allies will shit their pants when madara summon another meteor or perfect susano..
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Both Naruto and Sasuke had keys to great power the days they were born; one bestowed by circumstance and one by genes. The differences in how those things have affected their paths is intriguing. It seems to me that all of Sasuke's advances in power come at such a high price and with such grim consequences that in the end it's questionable whether they are even worth it. Signs have pointed to 'no'. Except for the eyes he was born with, he's earned every last one of his subsequent power increases with terrible suffering.
I'm not saying that being a jinchuuriki is a walk in the park, because it obviously is not; or that Naruto hasn't suffered because of his power, because he certainly has suffered greatly...but I think on the whole, Naruto's difficult experience as Kurama's host has actually turned out to have a striking degree of a bright side after all. And there's an individuality to the varying jinchuuriki experiences, too; they have more of an effect on their own fates; it's a make-of-it-what-you-will, get out of it what you put into it sort of deal, with the potential to be very harmonious. Sasuke's gifts, on the other hand...hoo boy. They're a bag of overwhelming white elephants.
Being born with the sharingan in the first place was a mixed blessing at best, and things just got worse from there. Literally nothing that he's ever done or had done to him that's earned him more power has had an up side, other than more power--and the debit column for the mental cost for that power is solid red. The curse mark truly had 'curse' written all over it, MS has utter despair as a base requirement (and then you get to go blind unless more horror), and who knows what EMS is going to end up doing to him. No one who's ever had it has come to a good end, and it's entirely possible it comes with Victorian Coughing Disease just for added thrills. His clan was disenfranchised and shrouded in darkness and his two remaining relatives are trying to crazy-moon the world. I wonder if the poor kid is ever going to catch a break and gain some autonomy.
I think I'd rather be a jinchuuriki!
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I adamantly... vehemently disagree. Naruto, who was a Genin during his training with Jiraiya, went 4 tails and nearly killed him. A kage level ninja. Just from losing control. Granted the 9 tails is on another level than any other bijuu. But my point is that massive power increase came so easily. So haphazardly. Losing your composure turning you into a threat the likes of which a Sannin can barely contend with? And this is a power GIVEN to Naruto too. This all goes back to the old "Which is more hax, Kyuubi or Sharingan?" thread a few years back.Originally Posted by badluckartist
Fodder Jinchuurikis? Where? It took 2 S rank ninja a piece to take out each bijuu (Akatsuki), and the jinchuuriki that could be considered weaklings all died attempting to control their Bijuu (atleast in the case of Gyuuki and Shukaku's hosts)... which STILL resulted in the bijuu breaking free and murdering dozens of ninja and causing mass destruction. LOL, even when a jinchuuriki loses, they win.Quote:
As for unique abilities, I agree with that. Though the definition of "your own power" I was going for is something that didn't come from an external power source or another sentient being deeming it necessary to power a character up. In other words, if Naruto and Sasuke were olympic gold winning wrestlers... Sasuke would be the guy who is naturally gifted. Naruto would be the guy that's gifted aswell... thanks to the steroids his dad was pumping him with sense birth.
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@Bloomerwedgies: YES! You get it/me! See, this is the reason I'm cool with the Sharingan as a powerup. I truly believe it's the most balanced of powers in the manga based solely on how detrimental it is to the user. Every power, no matter how impressive, has a massive downside which keeps it from being exploitable. From massive chakra cost, to loss of eyesight, to intense pain... There's supposed to be a downside to being a bijuu (shortened lifespan), but if you're an Uzumaki, you're good. Since you're born with super longevity to balance out the shortened lifespan. Kinda convenient.
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