Madara wipes the floor with The Alliance, Meteor no Jutsu style.
Obito decides to finally use his Rinnegan and Chou Shinra Tensei The Alliance
Ino controls the Juubi and makes it eat Madara and Obito
Sasuke crashes the party and every fangirl screams
Hinata reveals she's the mastermind behind the Juubi, and backstabs Naruto
Juubi & Co decide they are suddenly weaker and let the Alliance do their thing while standing still like robots
Juubi does NOT fire his Bijuuhameha at the Alliance and patiently waits until Kyuubi is ready to dance
2) Ummm, no. Kakashi nearly killed himself if not for Kurama. Obito kicked the shit out of him in a fashion no ninja ever has, and it's not like he's so fast Kakashi couldn't defend himself.
3) You spoke of power equal to it. The Kyuubi's power is strong enough where it took the entire Konoha shinobi force to hold it back. Not even mortal Madara or Hashirama has that kind of power to fight it, Nagato proved he didn't and he fought a half whole, partially developed Kyuubi.
The power to control or submit in the way the Sharigan does, is not the power to destroy or defeat in combat.
4) The Kyuubi can heal all of Naruto's wounds, give him unlimited chakra, gives him a speed and strength boost, gives him additional arms, gives him the ability to use the strongest physical attack in the manga. He's also invulnerable to genjutsu with it and also somehow granted him greater chakra control. O, and he has all of Kurama's knowledge and battle prowess. The comparison isn't even close.
5) And a half blind Itachi was able to throttle pre-MS Sasuke. Sasuke being half blind doesn't take away from how powerful he is.
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I d'aww at Gai and Kakashi propping each other up, all beat to hell.
See, Obito? See? Here before you is Gai, a shining example of a real best friend.
Kakashi understands this.
A real best friend shows up to save your ass from Akatsuki, he doesn't, you know...become a flagship member of Akatsuki and try to ruin your life without even asking any questions first.
And orange is for legwarmers, not masks. I cannot stress this enough.
But sad to say, naruto's weakness is ninjutsu. While his master is a perverted writer. And sasuke's master, orochimaru is a ninjutsu maniac. That's why sasuke knows alot of stuff/jutsu than naruto.
Last edited by chilibun; November 30, 2012 at 11:19 PM.
To some people this is like trying to 'prove' a political point. It really isn't possible because they are so biased. There really are some people that are so intellectually damaged by their prejudices and emotions that they make themselves invulnerable to any sort of intellectual, rational discussion. I will attempt to explain why "I" do not think Naruto is a retard/idiot - but we have to allow that there is a small group of people who are so pig-headed about the subject that they cannot be reasoned with and must therefore be relegated to an intellectual ash-heap on this matter.Quote:
The substance of the argument "against" Naruto can really be boiled down to the fact that there are people out there who think he is naive to the point where the things he says are the equivalent of someone who picks up a brick and says, "This is a duck". When Naruto stares people like Obito in the face and tells them, "I'm going to defeat you, change the Ninja world, and become the Hokage!" it is like he is running his fingernails on a chalkboard to the "Anti Naruto" (or "AN" crowd from here on out).
It is not possible to overstate just how STUPID the "AN" guys think Naruto is when he says things like this. They are approaching the story from the typical point of view of a Post Modern reader. They want realism. They want grit. They want blood. They want angst. They want Naruto to stop being such a naive, simplistic, hopeful, HERO. Instead, they want him to start acting world-weary, complicated, dispairing, and more like an anti-hero - even if it is only just a LITTLE. They wish he'd show some doubt, second-guess his objectives, and (gosh darn it!) quit being so indefagitably POSITIVE...! The fact that Naruto is still saying/doing things that make them so mad (after 600 chapters) just chaps their hides and they think that only someone who is genuinely retarded (IE an actual mental illness) could still be acting like this.
This really is the only plausible argument that the "AN" camp has. Everything else fails prima facie. To say Naruto is 'stupid' is not accurate, because he's actually quite intelligent and clever. He doesn't have classroom or book smarts, but he routinely outsmarts people all the time. Even 'geniuses' like Sasuke, Kakuzu, Nagato, and Itachi have been punked by Naruto. So he isn't stupid intellectually. You can't say he doesn't 'train hard' because he does (see previous post). You can't say all he does is rely on the QB, because without using the Kyuubi at all he mastered the FRS jutsu (which even Minato couldn't do) and Sage mode (way faster and more perfectlly than Jiraya did). All of these ancillary attacks that "AN" people make are all easily disproved by even the most simplistic, basic listing of events in the manga. They are distractions, and really are so easily dismissed that they practically don't even bear mentioning. The REAL root of what really irritates the "AN" folks is what they consider to be Naruto's philosophical naivety and that he doesn't 'act' like how they want him to.
Such people are tilting at windmills. Kishimoto is writing a story about how love, hope, and faith are superior to hate, despair, and doubt. People always believe that philosophers who adhere to the principles of love/hope/faith are pathetic, naive, and stupid. People thought Christ was naive and stupid. People thought Ghandi was naive and stupid. People thought MLK was naive and stupid. That's just how it is. Real men of actual CHARACTER... The men who really change the world because they have a dream and stick to it are seen as stupid and naive to those who are mired in doubt. "Men of the World" adopt this sort of world-weary, "woe is me" attitude and they look down their noses at anyone who doesn't have as bleak an outlook as themselves. That's what's really going on here. A bunch of people think that the world sucks, and that hate/anger can't be defeated by rainbows and ballon-icorns. So people like Naruto who come along saying, "I'm gonna take on all the hate and make the world a better place" might as well be drooling simpletons to the "AN" crowd.
That's about the best way I can put it.
It really has nothing to do with him having "faith" and acting on something. Minato, Jiraiya, Sarutobi, Kakashi, Itachi all went around acting upon faith. Even Sasuke and Madara have their own faith they go around believing in. Doesn't stop any of them from being silly or jovial yet kick-ass serious when the time calls for it. Very few had a problem with P1 Naruto, who was easily more naive and positive then current Naruto. But P1 Naruto didn't go around acting that way all the time. When the situation called for it, he could get his butt into gear and act like a real hero. There's a clear difference between the awesome, hero inspiring Naruto that kicked Pain's ass and proved his own path and the current Naruto that's done crap against Obito & Madara.
The entire point of self-doubt and questioning one's actions is that it leads to greater character development. The conclusion gain out of one situation wouldn't apply to every situation afterward. Those philosophers you mention all had several moments of inner reflection. none of them simply believed one thing and kept going. they adapted as things changed.
That doesn't explain it, to be honest. Naruto is also Kakashi's pupil and Kakashi is known as the copy ninja who knows a ton of ninjutsu. It's just that getting a hold of things isn't that easy for Naruto, so, he can't be expected to use an arsenal of jutsus.
Naruto will never be a versatile Shinobi. If he gets a ninjutsu that possesses more power than FRS, then it'll be Kage Bunshin + that attack. He'll keep it simple.
whatever the reason anger is never justified...he could have eventually taken revenge if he stayed in konoha...so why did he leave ? coz of jealousy and his inner insecurity (that he will not be strong ever)...instead of training more and more he got jealous of naruto ...he could not tolerate when naruto got stronger than him...this is arrogance...he did not have guts to face his real self and get stronger by fair means...incompetant people like this always look for easy ways to get strong and thus move to the dark side...sasuke is mixed up of all the negative emotions in narutoverse...
Last edited by dex; December 01, 2012 at 04:51 AM.
They said sasuke is a super genius. But the problem with him is he can't do anything on his own. He don't want to train his butt off and use his super duper intelligence to make himself stronger. Orochimaru gave him the curse seal, and what did he do? He likes his new free power, ans he's not contented, he goes directly to orochimaru to asked some more. ''Orochimaru give me the power I want for my revenge''. What a pathetic fellow.
By the way,everyone in the alliance stands behind Genin It makes me really laugh
What brain wash? Sasuke never did anything he didn't truly wanted to do. The only person who manipulated and deceived him was Itachi. Orochimaru and Obito merely offered there assistance in exchange for his services. They were mutually using each other. And you're quote of Orochimaru after the Kabuto fight is wrong. He said that Sasuke WAS manipulated by Itachi and that he is far different now than when he and Tobi were using him.
Again, saying anger is never justified is bullshit. Nobody has the right to tell another person how they should act or feel, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. Sasuke also didn't leave because he was jealous of Naruto. He left because Naruto's growth made him realize his own weakness. That at his pace, he would never be able to defeat Itachi. Note that this was immediately following his ass whoopin by Itachi. It was never about Naruto or jealousy. Honestly, I think he needed to leave. He never would be as strong as he is if had stayed under Kakashi's tutelage vs. under Orochimaru. Calling his decision to leave the easy way out is just dismissive, as if he didn't need to train under Oro. Oro didn't magically made him powerful. He was simply a better teacher than anybody else in Konoha.