Itach0r of course!
Minat0r cause he's Batman!
He left it to Naruto to achive said jutsu. It has nothing to do with Minato. He can't use it, its IRRELEVANT.
Not that was Naruto's own plot no jutsu seal. It had nothing to do with the Uzumaki. Naruto never once learned how to do Uzumaki seals, he just pulled that one out of his arse.Quote:
There is no indication Minato has a seal that can take down Madara when he had none to take down Obito, Kyuubi or anybody else. Seals are not the finger of God to solo Madara level individuals.
Irrelevant. I am not claiming he does not have Uzumaki seals. This is like claiming Konohamaru does not have kunai... What i claim is that Konohamaru has no Kunai that can take down Naruto. Same for Minato and his seals.Quote:
You can link it but that was not Minato's seal. That was Naruto's plot no jutsu pull out of your arse seal. At that point Kurama got to see RS in Naruto for some reason. The seals used to seal a biju in a host are passed down from RS true but Minato is not the only one having info on them. So who cares. This is like jutsus that RS invented and then other people are using. Minato has no special OMFG RS level seal.Quote:
.... No idea what the hell you are even going on about here.Quote:
And Ten-Ten is a master in weapons use. I am sure she can take down Madara. It does not matter that they are masters sealing experts. They never demonstrated any seals that can stop Madara. Minato does not even have a seal to stop Tobi, at best he had a seal to remove the Kyuubi from his control. No idea where you pop this God Seals that can seal Madara. You don't use common sense, not even close. You notice a ninja using a kunai and then you turn that into a nuke, there is NO common sense here.Quote:
In the great ninja strugle the Senju and Uchiha where dominant. If Uzumaki had seals that can 1 shoot as you sugest EMS LEVEL people on MADARA'S SCALE then they would be completly somping everybody left and right but that never happened.
So you are comparing Minato's natural speed and reaction times to that of Clocked Ee? Then you are comparing Minato's neurons and how fast they would exchange info to RAIKAGE when clocked? ST would play NO role in genjutsu avoidance just like it did not vs Tobi when he was not teleporting every 0,00001 seconds so he does not get hit by one.Quote:
Madara had to grab Raikage as Raikage had something that other people did NOT, a raiton shield to increase his stats. Take Bee as fast as he is he is got 1 shoot by Sasuke's genjutsu (but yes he got out with his biju)... Then Sasuke could not stop Raikage because of his unique ability. Considering ST is not going to play a factor in dodging genjutsu and Minato is left with just about Natural speed... He goes down like Bee to Sasuke. Itachi? Now that is completly out of the question.
Before or after Itachi ends up noticing chakra in said kunai and does what he does in the manga and trows his OWN KUNAI to block that kunai FROM RANGE? This is just about forcing Minato to use his ST and that is going to happen damn fast when Itachi just sits there, blocks ANY AND ALL KUNAI send his way and 1 shoots Minato the moment Minato look at his face or even IF he avoids his face and looks at his finger. Now if you are telling me Minato can take a genjutsu from Itachi when i can put a long list that people above Minato's level (in genjutsu) can't then LOL. And yes i can do that. A sharingan Sasuke, Itachi, Danzo, Kakashi are ABOVE Minato's level in ability to counter genjutsu.Quote:
There is no manga logic that would alow Minato the win over Itachi as long as Kishi does not pop crep out of his arse and gives Minato some super new jutsu. He can't get a kunai near Itachi (going by the manga and how Itachi showed to counter them) and Minato can't evel LOOK at Itachi and not get owned. Then even if he get's in close Minato is going to end up finding a crow bunshing or whatever... Minato needs to pop in Itachi's blind spot, not get a crow bunshin, a kawarimi or anything of the type before he is FORCED into ST'ing once... Not going to happen... Telepoting anwhere BUT in Itachi's blind spot and Minato is going to try to kunai a bloody Susano that can take Kirin.
Kyuubi has special vulnerabilities to some factors that normal individuals do not. Like Mokuton, sharingan, Biju Seal and so on.Quote:
How can he brake some chakra stuff on him? He could not remove the chakra thing on him when fighting but that is like me using a pen to write something on you. That has nothing to do with the inability to brake some seals where you are sealed inside something. Minato most defenetly has a seal to incapacitate even Madara asuming Madara allows it (or Itachi or somebody else) but aparently he did not find one that can stop EVEN TOBI (one that works fast enough and strong enough).
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Pipe it down guys, no need for sarcasm and baiting.
No he's not.
And how Hiraishin is useless if Itachi can't follow it? As for Yondaime's neurons ( lol ) I'm not gonna go on an essay again regarding Yondaime's abilities.
Take it as you want
Proof that Hiraishin kunais are laced with chakra?Quote:
Also lol at blocking, should he be so foolish to do so he would receive an Hiraishin + Rasengan combo, or at worst he would be tagged with an Hiraishin seal like Obito did, and then it would be over.
As for Itachi's genjutsus, visual genjutsus he can't take obviously, that measly finger genjutsu its a walk in the park though imo, let's not forget the Gaikage breaking out Kabuto's B rank genjutsu effortlessy
^Arena logic, againQuote:
We're talking about this scenario my good fellowQuote:
As for breaking out of the seal, not only it was never said Bijuu are weak to genjutsu, but an Uchiha with Senju powers, Obito, was unable to counter Yondaime's seal, meaning Itachi most likely can't as well
You have been going on and on about how Kishi said that Minato is the strongest, but you never even gave a proof of that, do you expect us to believe it like that ?Quote:
And people, that interview is fake, FAKE. I can't believe people still think it's true. there is no video from this interview or any official transcript. And it was proven fake by ShounenSuki one of the translators of Narutopedia, that man literally has everything that concern Naruto : Databooks, Fanbooks, Volumes. He is the best Translator in Narutopedia so it's stupid to question his word. It was also prove fake by several other people . And also proved fake by people who keep up with SJ.
And again @marshall313 , you never gave me your so-called proofs on our last discussion and you never gave any now. So would you mind stop making things up now ?
Last edited by KingOfNight; December 04, 2012 at 11:01 AM.
Like he actualy did vs Obito? Are you sure he will not lol. Just like he looked at Obito he is looking at this 2. Point is i don't expect him to charge in like a moron but he will have to make visual contact with Itachi eventualy. He is probably going to avoid his eye sight but he has no idea about the finger (if no info for Itachi then no info for Minato to). And then its just about over. Itach is so good Minato is not even going to know he is in a genjutsu before he is dead. Itachi only needs a split second.Quote:
Also Itachi himself is a better tactician (if we go by feats and he does have more) then Minato. At the very least you have a fight here of 2 equaly smart individuals that are not going to charge in (like Raikage) and get a drop on him with a lvl 2 ST.
Minato can't posibly fight the crow clones, katons, Amaterasu, Sasano and all other crep and not use ST. He is going to show his card damn fast. Itachi can pop jutsus faster then a sharingan can keep up (part 1 with Kakashi).
Itachi can more then folow it as long as he is not tagged himself or Minato has tags behind Itachi. As long as its direcly in his visual field Itachi would have no problem noticing where Minato would pop. The moment he notices what Minato can do is ribbets Susano mode on and its just about over.Quote:
For Minato to get a tag behind Itachi or on his blind spot he would need a miracle.
Because the normal seals Minato teleports to are created by placing chakra into them and then that becomes a signal type of stuff that he teleports to. What else could be powering said tags if NOT chakra. It does not matter if its a kunai or something else. Any seals in this manga have chakra.Quote:
Itachi blocks Kunai from range by trowing HIS OWN KUNAI. Manga evidence vs Sasuke. No kunai is going to get in his general area. Minato would need to pull some insane tricks to get one there.Quote:
Even if he get's tagged at some point all he needs its a primitive version of Susano to protect himself. Minato is not going to teleport his own body inside that shield (even if he can do that) or he would get instantly killed. All Itachi needs to do is to make sure the shield is skin level and he is good to go.
Let's not forget that Naruto put a TON OF CHAKRA into it and it did NOT brake. You needed 2 individuals to brake that. Then this is not about braking it. Even if he can the split second before he can notice he is in a genjutsu and then brake it he is DEAD. Itachi is a master at genjutsu. Minato is going to have a hard time even figuring he is in one. Deidara almost blew himself up.Quote:
Its not. Just using what Itachi did in the manga.Quote:
1-If kunais are trew at him he blocks from range with his own (vs Sasuke).
2-Crow bunshing and how fast he could do it proven so vs Kakashi.
3-Teleporting anywhere but in his blind spot is not going to work because that is the damn reason Minato does it in ALL HIS FIGHTS vs people. Vs Raikage, vs Bee, vs Tobi ok? The only time he whent in front is when he had a tag ON Tobi.
Minato can't posibly swing faster then a lighting bolt hits the ground, its just not possible.
Plerase tell me where its Arena logic.
What scenario? You lost me? Are you refering the curent make up stuff on topic thing?Quote:
Not genjutsu. SHARINGAN CONTROL. Its the MS ability to do so made clear from back in PART 1 FFS.Quote:
We don't know how that contract seal works. Just because it stopped the control it does not mean its more powerfull then MS jutsu or whatever to control the Kyuubi. I can take out a Nuclear Weapon if a pull some stuff inside before it is launched. It could be as simply as messing with his chakra and prevent the ability for that to work. We don't know what it does.
As i said seals to trap an entire person exists. That is not the point. Trapping him with one is.
As for the two intelligence, let's look at their life-time plan regarding Sasuke and Naruto:
one became an international criminal, the other became ninja Jesus. Not actually sure how Itachi is smarter than Yondaime, expecially when Yondaime outsmarted every enemy he fought
All he needs to tag Itachi is to touch him, Itachi blocks a kunai, Hiraishin + touch and Itachi is markedQuote:
As for the Sharingan following Hiraishin, Obito pretty much showed it can't
Or maybe the chakra is dormant and it activates only when Yondaime uses the jutsu, otherwise he would have to constantly leak chakra to every kunai he has, everywhere.Quote:
Which would mean that Yondaime has chakra reserves well above Naruto
Yeah, because Susano'o doesn't consume chakra, and considering he can't track Hiraishin he would have to keep at least version 2 active all the time.Quote:
And we know Itachi's chakra reserves aren't all that great
I'm obviously talking about the finger genjutsu, while Deidara was subjected to the Sharingan one.Quote:
Dispelling genjutsus is about fine-tuning and finesse more than brute strenght, again if the Gaikage can dispell a B rank genjutsu I don't doubt Yondaime can dispel that one
Sorry, I meant vulnerable in Fuuinjutsu, I now Bijuus can be controlled by sharinganQuote:
We know it breaks a contract with everything the enemy has, as we saw with Obito and Kyuubi.
Obito couldn't counter that ( since he fled principally for that reason ), so we can assume Itachi can't as well ( it hurts my very being to compare Itachi to Obito, but as Zetsu said combining Senju and Uchiha powers enormously boosts the overall power )
Mate we are going heavely off topic and this is a disscussion that has the habit of getting fans into all out war . We are also not going to reach a consensus so let's let's just drop it as this serves no purpose (not even to the topic at hand).
Itachi could be better than Madara in terms of genjutsu. Not all Uchiha are the same.
Not really. If manga shows that no one was able to break out of Itachi's genjutsu, do we just discard that in the arena? Manga logic doesn't indicate Minato would end Itachi with a kunai and Hiraishin. It does indicate Itachi will try to finish it off ASAP with genjutsu and possibly a follow-up attack, but arena logic dictates Minato will likely lose. Manga logic can't be applied here since we don't know how skilled Minato is in breaking out of genjutsu. Though honestly, I'd like to think he's skilled enough to break out of Itachi's basic genjutsu.Quote:
Tobi was not owned, as he still got back up like nothing happened. So far, no one has owned Tobi yet, only oen to come close was Itachi. Tobi could have continued the fight if he wanted, he still had Izanagi and other jutsu that he held back against Minato. It took Minato a last resort trickery to beat Tobi.Quote:
Though, still closer than Itachi.
Because it's Tobi. He's not a fuuinjutsu master, although he has some knowledge. It's Itachi who's shown to know some fuuinjutsu, as shown when he sealed Amaterasu in Sasuke's eye.
Kishi is hyping minato for a reason. Maybe the reason why the manga has just a little info on minato is because it needs to be shown when the time is come. Maybe when naruto is matured enough or when he'll going to follow his father's footstep. We'll going to witness how awesome the uzumaki's sealing jutsus are when naruto would going to train his clan's power.
That's why I keep on saying that the itachi's fans shouldn't keep on comparing minato's power to itachi. Because for now, minato's caliber is still unknown. The reason why kishi decided to show off all of itachi's power is because he doesn't have any impact of the mains character's life. Whereas minato, the father of the main character, his caliber should be in secret so that we'll know how awesome naruto would be when the time is come. Yeah, for me, itachi's character is already dead. He's already on his limit. There's no more info/power that itachi would show to his fans. While for minato, the excitement is still there. Because we know, minato's character would still be shown for naruto's sake. His power would be known, and that would the time that I'm going to admit my defeat as minato's fan if his power is no match to itachi. But if not, I'm going to laugh my ass off in every itachi vs minato's threads.
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So itachi now is knowledgeable to fuinjutsu just because he used one on sasuke? What kind of logic is that? The reason why itachi is looking for the totsuka sword is because he doesn't have any sealing jutsu on his arsenal. That's why he compete on orochimaru to find those treasure. Because his talent for fuinjutsu is almost to none. Itachi is just a genjutsu expert and not fuinjutsu master.
I'am fairly certain Minato's role in this story is finished, he had his influence on the plot and he entrusted everything onto his son. There really isn't anything left to do for him and if he just suddenly pops up to start a comeback and steal the show from Naruto (aka the main character) it would be even worse writing then the whole Obito thing.
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The scouter reads a slight reaction on Minat0r's power level... look out Itach0r, he's preparing for a counter attack!!
I just want to remind everyone that In terms of throwing a kunai, minato is no doubt the champion. He can throw his kunai in one kilometer radius. Remember how he deflected the iwa's kunai at the gaiden? Yeah. Itachi is no match to minato. Itachi's limit of throwing his kunai is just a meters away. That's what the manga has shown.
Nagato may be dumb, but incompetent he's not.
Pretty much the best genjutsu feat outside Koto Amatsukami
Obito had near full knowledge, the element of surprise advantage, the Kyuubi on the loose and he lost all that against someone with an inferior S/T jutsu and no information.Quote:
And he has to thank the plot he's still alive. Pretty much owning material to me
He did that giant Fuuinjutsu thing to Kushina to extract Kyuubi, so he's surely familiar with FuuinjutsuQuote:
You just said that shikamaru has the immeasurable intelligence, a genius of all genius. Whereas on the manga scan you provided, 't'was only shown that shikamaru is a genius who had an IQ of 200. The immeasurable intelligence is nowhere to be found in the scan/manga. The genius of all genius you mention is nothing but a fake or made up stuff.
And oh, you remember what kurenai said about shikamaru for being a genius? ''Shikamaru is fit to become a chuunin''. Yeah, his IQ is just fit to become a chuunin captain, nothing more.
You just said that it was written in the manga/fanbook that the flee on sight order is for hanzo, white fang and minato. Whereas, that order is just specifically for minato. To minato alone. That was already stated in the manga.
By iwa and kumo's ninjas.
You just said that the reason why the kumo can't destroy the konoha is simply because of shikaku, his intelligence is the reason why the kumo can't take down the konoha.
You just said that the most dangerous man in the battle field is hanzo. Whereas it was minato who can wipe out an entire battalion of ninja in a blink of a second.
Now, who's the one who had a fake arguments? Or a made up stuff?
That's why I said you should find it yourself. There's a bunch of minato vs itachi thread. This kind of topic or the arguments you want is already stated by someone in those thread. I'm not going to waste my time, because what you've asked is already been ask by someone to me. I just realized I don't want to repeat myself.
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I thought itachi just hit the summons eyes directly with his kunai, without doing any stunts move. Well, the summons or kabuto is just too busy to naruto and bee.
Well, if it's really the real nagato, I doubt itachi's kunai can hit them to their eyes. It was kabuto's fault and not nagato. Remember?
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"He sure was a diamond in the rough...He is a SUPER genius with IQ of over 200" I never make up stuff like you it was already stated he is a SUPER genius thus not a normal genius thus a genius among geniuses, it doesn't need a a lot of brain power to understand that much. So you're accusation of me making up stuff is also made up.
Oh and Kurenai was stunned by this IQ score. Where was it said that this IQ is only fit to be chunnin ? Stop making up things.
I don't care whether you believe it or not it was stated in the second Fanbook that the heroes of war were : Sakumo Hatake, Hanzo the Salamander and Minato Namikaze. This is a direct statement from Kishimoto in his second Fanbook that answers the fans questions. This is not made up, do you comprehend what i'm saying ? You can look up the Fanbook yourself.Quote:
"No wonder the leaf's been so hard to take down...you've got great Shinobi there, Tsunade" Again I never make things up like you do.
I don't care about your cries, Kishimoto said the three Heroes of war are Sakumo Hatake, Hanzo the Salamander and Minato Namikaze. How many times must i say this to get it through your Minato filled brain ?Quote:
Of course you don't want to repeat yourself, because you're lyingQuote:
Tell me where was this said ? I already gave sources of which my facts come, where did you get this ?Quote:
Answer me where was that said ? Why do you love making things up so much ?Quote:
Where ? Where do you come up with that stuff ? I'm not gonna check for other threads because i know your lying, because i know no one else will say stuff like that.Quote:
You accuse me of making things up just because i take the point out of the said proof and make it more understandable (while giving the proof source). You on the other hand make up the craziest things about Minato and say he is the strongest Shinobi in all of Naruto without giving any source to support your so-called proof. I would even understand it if you would simply change what was said a little, but, you come up with the strangest worst possible lies that i doubt anyone in this forum would actually believe, like he is stronger than Madara and him being the strongest Shinobi. Whaaaat Are you serious
Last edited by KingOfNight; December 05, 2012 at 09:50 AM.
I'm just talking to his caliber or the uzumaki's sealing jutsu he learned from kushina. Naruto is definitely needs to learn his clans jutsu or his father's jutsus. That's why I said that someday, we're going to witness some of minato's jutsu through naruto. We're going to witness some of the uzumaki's sealing jutsu through naruto. That's why for me, minato's caliber is still unknown. Maybe kishi would gong to show it when naruto would try to learn his father/mother's jutsus.
So for saying that the uzumaki clan doesn't have any powerful sealing jutsu.
And for saying that minato doesn't have any other jutsu,
Is kinda wrong and baseless. That's my point.