Very good/Very Satisfactory (Or just "Madara" if you prefer)
Pure utter crap of a chapter
From a story standpoint its pretty simple. Naruto and Sasuke are arch rivals. Naruto needed an answer against chidori, he gained FRS. He needed an answer to help counter the sharingan's ability to predict movements, he gained SM which counters that particular ability of the sharingan. He needed a way to counter genjutsu, he gained a partner in Kyuubi. I mean yes there are questions to all of this. Like if Kagura was really a perfect jin, how could he be controlled? We don't even know if it was genjutsu controlling him. We just assume it was.
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No : sasuke couldn't control the time inside his tsukuyomi world,whereas itachi could,that was according to danzo,and confirmed by tobi a bit after. In fact,kakashi told chiyo that against itachi's ms even the counter of making a comrade release the illusion was useless...
I still don't get the idea that jinchuuriki are impossible to be controlled, after we've seen it happen ad nauseum. We've seen Obito control SIX bijuu at once. It took the Rinnegan's sealing chains and black rods for their full bijuu forms to be controlled, but they also had Sharingan Genjutsu placed on them, and he only resorted to chains when controlling multiple bijuu at once. But somehow he's gonna need Madara's help to control one jinchuuriki? And once again, Sage Mode only increases the base abilities of the user. Naruto is so horrible at escaping Genjutsu that any aid he gains from SM would be so negligable he should never escape. Kabuto on the other hand is not only incredibly intelligent, but proficient with Genjutsu and thus, should have been able to boost his own Genjutsu escaping potential via Sage Mode. And STILL failed. I will however admit that the likely main reason he couldn't escape is because the literal only way to escape Izanami is by accepting one's personal reality. It doesn't work like your standard Genjutsu.Originally Posted by llamapie
Once again: Yagura can be controlled because no where is it ever claimed that perfect jinchuuriki are immune to all forms of Genjutsu. They simply have a partner who can break them out, the same way one would if they were using a human ally just standing near them. And just like how Tsukuyomi, Kotoamatsukami, and Izanami can't be disrupted by outside sources, there's absolutely no logic behind claiming a perfect jinchuuriki could escape them either. Naruto won't need Kurama's help or Sage Mode to escape Genjutsu in the future anyway. Kishimoto's just going to skirt past this and not even acknowledge how powerful Madara or Obito's Genjutsu are in this fight, and hope no one brings it up.Quote:
I'm just pissed off cause bee is still avoiding using samehada. but that's not all there is: he must merge with it! or at least kishi has to explain why a not-water user can't merge with it...
he does have it with him,it's just that they were inside gyuki,so it could escape either. yet,now that they are there,they have to merge. I know madara's got infinite chakra,but bee's powerup would be useful nonetheless,as he should absorb chakra just touching
So Shikamaru's dad really thinks it is a good idea to send all Taijutsu users up against a guy that can pull out Susanoo at any time and use Moukton? Really? And he's supposed to be really intelligent?
My only hope is that it will play a role at some point and prove to be more than just a valuable, sentient weapon but somehow attached to the sage, perhaps even using chakra or something to help form the other weapons. But that's beyond a pipe dream.
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From what we've seen thus far, it's almost like Shikamaru's dad is playing a cruel trick. I wonder if he and that girl in the watch-tower have a game going on... "Hey, wanna see 20,000 people rush to their deaths? Watch this... it'll be a riot..."
But no seriously, I think there will be more to it than that (the order to use taijutsu on a guy that fry them in an instant).
i still say it was madara who was behind yagura...maybe using the black rods.but,obito has never shown the ability to control anyone besides ETs...but we know the rinnegan can manipulate living beings...so the rinnegan or shisui's tech are the only two abilities to have been shown controlling living people...correct me if i'm wrong...
now,the only other thing i can think of about kisame is...he was weaker than yagura and was inexperienced in sensing who/how strong madara/obito was/were.in other words,he was a young man from a different village...so right there he was disadvantaged.he has no erected statue in his village/land of madara nor the history lessons...only lore/myths/fables....
sidenote...the spiral zetsu still has not been addressed...he may have something to do with controlling yagura...
if i remember right...yagura's tailed beast was loose.they said it takes time for the bijuu to reform/be reborn if their host is/was killed(bijuu still sealed within).so,no telling if obito screwed up and killed him or it was planned...no matter...the bijju would take some time to come back.
hence,not giving up the fact that yagura was dead but in the mean time he had free access to a village of ruthless shinobi....
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