I thought that the one who wins all fights was by definition the stronger. Even if it's by mere luck, it's the strength of the luck that can do more than his brute strength.
Let's say we have a guy who every time He hits his opponent, the opponent fades. We can both agree that it's a strong ability. Now we have a guy who can evade every hit of the first one. Who is the stronger?
And Luffy did not reached his limit on Hodi Jones Arc. Where you say it happens?
well as we all know. luffy and zoro are always tie no matter what. they power level are always equal. but sometimes. zoro look more stronger then luffy. but luffy can take a hard beating and keep fighting cause hes devil fruit. but now no one care about devil fruit as long as you have haki.
well i cannot really tell who is the stronger now. by bounty is kid. and he look like he got alot of trouble in the new world.
And winning a fight against your opponent doesn't mean you're stronger. Ussop and Perona are good examples of that.
And about Luffy reaching his limit, "Luffy stops and faints from blood loss thanks to the bite wound Hody gave him, falling to a lower section of the ship." http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Fishman_Island_Arc
This is part two folks. We haven't the slightest clue how strong and how the crew and their tactics will go before they need to truly push their limits. Not Hodi Jones. That was not pushing his limits. You have "complete disadvantage for df users" confused with limit. Any of your powerful characters who're df users would have a rough time fighting someone like hodi jones and until I see someone doing otherwise he's the first. We barely know Law in comparison to Luffy so with these little moments I can see what to the regular reader it may seem that way. Our protagonist hasn't even begun to show his strength. Oda has a horrible tendency to make luffy seem weaker than he is alot as well to drag the story out for plot reasons so the ending of an arc feels more emotionally tied. Like with CC we all know if it was serious and luffy had a real reason besides kidnap him cuz I said so he'd of been defeated. Serious Luffy is different than comedy joking Luffy.
At the moment it's all speculation Luffy Zoro and Sanji as far as we know could actually be strong enough to fight a yonkou crew at their strongest we haven't been shown such things. Law has been shown to seemingly show his true strength but who knows. Take these things into account. But honestly saying Law is more powerful without proof besides a one panel one shot not to mention we don't know everything about how his ability works. I find them to be equals in all rights. Same with Kid. As time goes on we'll see a gap between powers.
Well, if you mean strength as "Strength" then Luffy will win as well. Or Maybe Urogue, who knows.
Strength in One Piece is not determined by raw force, devil fruit, the weapon you use. It's all about will and circumstances. And in both, Luffy is a king.
We're quoting wikia? Damn, you'll make me quote my less favorite part on the manga:
1) Here is Hodi being defeated (Well, announced)
2) Here Luffy is in the sea, power being drained, punching Noah because it's mission is to stop it.
3) Here Luffy fades away.
4) It's pretty much obvious that he faded away by the effort made plus the bite. Page: here. Curious thing to notice that He continuously fight in the ocean.
Saying that He fade by the blood loss is a bit bastardizing the situation.
here.So it wasn't the injury itself who caused it but rather the effort he had to put to destroy the Noah.Here you can see Luffy using Elephant gun which forces his wound to open like the princess said.Then he kept on using it to break the boak into pieces so of course his wound will open badly.And it is because of this that you are saying Luffy reached his limit on fishman island and calling him weak! Wow
As stronger Law is now,he is surely not strong enough to defeat Mugiwara.
1.How can he defeat an opponent that he can't keep up with.If he wants to slice Luffy,he will have reach him first which i doubt he would be able to do since Law didn't show in anyway that he could match,imitate nor keep up against the speed of a Rokushiki user which Luffy seems to have exceeded.
2.In term of strenght Luffy definetely got the upper hand as well.I mean do you really think that Law can survive one Elephant gun!?I don't think so
Now what does reaching one's limit mean? It means being not able to go on any further. And that's exactly what happened to him after his fight with Hodi. I consider the falling Noah part of the fight since it was Hodi's desperate attempt to destroy the island.
Do you really think an elephant gun could hit Law in his room? I don't think so either. Law can avoid an attack that big by just teleporting himself behild Luffy.
You can say all the situations you can think of and based on the already stated infos on Law's ability, I still don't see Luffy having the upper hand. But I won't deny that Luffy can win a fight against Law. He is the king of luck when it comes to fights. What I don't agree is present Luffy being stronger than present Law.
1.Once Law have succeded to retrieve his hearth from Vergo this one manage to take it back with an amazing speed that Law couldn't even see coming and they were still inside his room.Link 1 and link 2.So yes speed does matter.
2.There is a big difference betwen stop bullets and canon balls and living things.Have you ever seen Law move a all body inside his room?...Exactly.The obvious answer is no because Law cannot move a all body inside is room,he needs to slice it first to be able move it at will.So from here since speed does matter i will it again how can he slice something that he cannot keep up with!?
3.Shambles:well i have already answer this matter above but to make it more clear,in order for Law to use shambles he needs to slice his opponent his first so i don't really see based on what you are saying that he could randomly go shambles on Luffy out of the blue.Maybe if he is not moves at worst.If that was the case he would have done it before.
4."Do you really think an elephant gun could hit Law in his room?".Why not!I am pretty sure if he use it like he did with ceasar to finish him off or like a "coup the grâce" as i like to say it
To be inside Law's room means nothing if he can't touch you.So it is like i said on my previous post
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And no, he doesn't have to touch someone to use his ability. Proof was when he took out SHs' hearts and switched them. And also when he sliced those marines in Sabaody.
And also, I don't think his sword is connected with his ability unless it has DF like Spandam's.
About his sword,sure it's not connected to his ability but it sure makes it more convenient.Do you really think he would have been able to slice Vergo otherwise?Of course not.
But I agree that victory doesn't just depend on strenght or power alone, which is why Luffy was able to beat Crocodile.
The only reason why Hody was even able to do any kind of damage to Luffy was because of drugs, otherwise he would have been beaten or killed by Zoro with the sword slash. I don't see just how you can consider Luffy reaching his limit against Hody when he, like majority fo the characters would be, was affected by bleeding so much. Especially when Hody had to keep using drugs to even keep up. Especially when Luffy was fighting in the water, even if he was in a bubble.