One would think that a person of Urahara's intellect could certainly cover his guilt better than this.
Let's forget about everyone. But Mayuri? Of all the people, he was to be get tricked by this?
I have a feeling that Mayuri perhaps had an idea that what Urahara said had a hint of truth, but he kept it to himself, as his opinion wouldn't really change anything at any point.
Good enough explanation (=
yes the reasons i have given maybe a bit biased...but then im pulling out something which has not been pointed out directly even once...
yes urahara was hiding in the real world for a century...but why in karakura town ?? why near isshin ?? that does point out that maybe his intentions were to stay close to kurosakis...for what ? coz isshin was his friend ? but isshin was not there a century back...so he became friends with isshin after he left SS... this could very well be first part of his plan...getting close to kurosakis...what better way to experiment hougyoku then on a subject which is miracle (shinigami+quincy hybrid ichigo)...depending on urahara's intellect level we can safely assume that he was one step faster than aizen...so he didn't take the first action but let aizen do it to stay in the shadows...Quote:
aplogizing does not say anything about his intentions being goodQuote:
yes rukia giving powers was aizens plot but why did urahara hid hougyoku in rukia at the same time...i mean he had many gigais before too...jinta and others...if he really wanted hougyoku to disappear he could have done it with someone else and made it disappear...he had a century to do so...but he kept it alive and planted it in rukia...why ? coz he knew that SS will soon capture rukia and ichigo will definitely go save her...and he had idea that aizen was involved in it to some extent...Quote:
that is what we know till now...that incident can very well be twisted at convenience of the plotQuote:
yes urahara tried to hide it...but why a century late and why in rukia ? it seems to me that even he wanted the hougyoku to reach soul society ...urahara even left in his research the way to extract hougyoku without killing the person (which aizen found later) ...Quote:
the only thing that suspicious here is that why did urahara wait for a century to hide hougyoku...and why did he hide it in rukia who had committed a felony was soon to be captured by soul society...even if it was to protect her by making her a normal human by planting hougyoku in her...but soul society could have found her if they wanted to...urahara is genius...if these simple points escape from his conscious then i consider it fishy...
if anyone had faint idea about it ti could be senior captains only...Quote:
yes that move is not Urahara like...it looked like more of an act or desperation move...Quote:
that could be possible...but if urahara had an idea of aizen's intentions a century back and he had a solution to destroy the only things which could make his plan succeed...so why wait for a century ? and infuse hougyoku into someone who is in limelight already ...fishyQuote:
adding something more to the argument..
in FKKT arc...only urahara had an idea that what could aizen become if he fuses with the hougyoku...that guy helped soul society with many things that time but didn't forewarned them about this possibility...since aizen was the on to enter battlefield late soul society could very well had set traps or taken some counter measures if they had knows that aizen could reach another level of evolution...whether it would have worked or not is a different story...but atleast they could have tried something different rather then going headon against him and falling...here urahara kept many facts hidden which lead to aizen's plan being successful to certain extent...
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Finally I really need to mention this:
At any case, there is zero chance that after all this incident has ceased away, Mayuri didn't make a research of his own about hollowfication or Hogyoku, etc.
We can't really say what he has revealed, but I doubt he told anyone a single word about it.
I will have to disagree with you here. Mayuri is a very intelligent and witty man on his own, and he cannot be possibly discarded so easily.Originally Posted by dex
That said, I don't think Kon's device has got anything to do with spying, as it's too obvious for a spying purpose.
Dunno if someone has mentioned this, but could the bodies in Szayel's lab back then have been Quincies? Because Bach was obviously watching from the shadows, and maybe some of his spies were captured.
Didn't Opie say that they were holding off on entering Hueco Mundo 'cause of Aizen?
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Oooh yea....where was that confirmed again?
that could very well be possible...but the thing i mentioned can be true too...like i said if i try to find something that points out that urahara is the bad guy...Quote:
urahara was not outsider when FKKT started...SS already took his help during that time as his and yoruichis innocence was proved...also after he used wrist sealing kido he stated that it wont work on aizen...he knew all along that what state aizen could reach as he stated in the end...my only point is why did he not mention about this possibility beforehand to SS...its as if he wanted aizen and ichigo to evolve and then stop him...Quote:
having genius scientists is totally true...but i doubt a quincy could get hold of shinigamis with bankai to research ...its like mayuri had quincy specimen to research and so he had an idea about their powers...so he can develop a anti-quincy device...here developing a anti bankai device is much likelier the work of a shinigami who is well aware of how soul slayers work...but quincy having scientists is also possible...Quote:
mayuri cannot be underestimated...sometimes i think that those two might stand against each other someday...its just when mayuri shows interest in something he learns it...Quote:
that device in kon's eye was something which surprised even mayuri...his expression and reaction showed it all...so its possible that urahara was spying on him...
and my one point against urahara still stands...why did he hid hougyoku in rukia after she committed a felony...he could have hidden it or disposed it in any gigai 100 years back...i mean he made gigai for isshin and made other gigais too...then why choose rukia and at the time aizen made his move...nobody expects mistakes like these form genius like urahara...
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srry fr replyin late...saturday sunday are fundays...no idea what happened yesterday...everything is still dizzy in my head...bloody hangovers
I believe the final villain would be Juha Bach. He is the leader of those who want to destroy SS completly and kill all Shinigamis. They might have another goal. For example they might want to take Spirit King down.
I can see the possibility of Spirit King being the final Big Baddy of Bleach, but I doubt it for now, especially since we know practically nothing about him. Though we might have a chance to see him during Ichi's current visit to Royal Realm.
About Urahara... Seriously. It's a shounen manga. It's not about intellect. It's about strength and Urahara is nowhere near the topdogs, so he just can't be a final villain. Only if he uses Hougioku, but that would ruin Bleach as we've seen it already and it was too much, so having it twice would be really horrible.
2. In hand-to-hand he was on par with Yoruichi.
3. His intellect is unmatched.
4. He can create his own attacks and kidos.
5. He could KILL pre-hogyoku Aizen with Kidos ALONE, as Aizen himself stated.
That makes him above... everyone in SS?
About Hogyoku... we can see alternative use for it, or taking it onto higher level. Not wishing for raw power but for... let's leave it to our imagination.
The legs/boots shown when Mayuri entered Sszayel's lab matched up with Cirucci and Dordoni, and also, it was clearly said by Aizen when he asked Sszayel if Dordoni's body was useful to him or not (chapter 255, pages 7-10) (considering the one who sent the Exequias was Sszayel to retrieve their bodies, hence why he was able to negate Uryuu's powers and could've negated Ichigo's powers if he had fought against him since he probably analyzed his reiatsu too, check chapter 274)
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