Using the 'X ball = X times as fast theory', Let's just say a normal rally is 100km/h and each X-ball is a linear multiplier.
We know Kintaro's limit is 8 ball and Oni can do 10, so Oni can hit 1000 km/h and Kintaro can hit 800km/h.
First of all how does Kintaro even return a 10 ball given it's significantly faster than his maximum speed? Shouldn't he just miss the ball because it's faster? Okay let's say being slower means he can only return first 8 balls and can't keep up with the last 2 rallies, but there's a very easy way to handle it. Just do a drop shot or a lob or anything that alters the speed of the last rally. The other guy cannot make the ball drop faster and since all these characters are already insanely fast, clearly Kintaro have more than enough time to recover while Oni is waiting for the ball to drop. Sure this might get him into trouble in other ways but given the 10-ball is supposed to 'embrace an eternal slumber', which is pretty serious predicament even for POT, he should definitely take his chances with even a lob compared to 'eternal slumber' which is clearly what happens if you fail to return the 10-ball.
By the way I'm not attempting to explain HOW to do the X ball. I'm saying its effectiveness in the world of POT can be likened to quantum mechanics, that it's a shot where you must hit all X balls to return it. Any ball you didn't hit magically becomes the real ball the same way an unobserved photon exists by the fact you didn't observe it, which makes this tech absolutely impossible to counter without the same level X-ball tech. It's also consistent with the coach saying if you can't do 10-ball you cannot beat Tokugawa or Oni, because anything less than 10-ball cannot defend against the 10-ball at all. If 10-ball is just 'hit the ball tens times as fast', we've seen plenty of ways to defend against such speed. Ryoma defended against Sanada's triple speed Fuu quite easily (figured it out in 2 games). Even if he's only at 5-ball level right now, 10-ball is only twice as fast as 5-ball by this scale and it wouldn't even be something he hasn't dealt with before. 10-ball would only be 25% faster than 8-ball level, which is where Kintaro was originally at. Does it really make sense in a series that features all kinds of nonsensical power and yet you can't even overcome a 25% speed advantage?
Last edited by Phantron; December 03, 2012 at 01:36 AM.
Well. I can't answer a lot of stuff. But, let's say this. If your running time for marathon or something is 10 hours. And you try to improve it to 8 hours. That'll be hard, assuming you're already trying your best at 10 hours. Probably around the same thing.
Where Konomi fucked up is having it confirmed that these guys are still playing with one ball. That one remark was totally unnecessary.
If you just take that out and assume that Oni is just continuously pulling more balls out of his pocket, this becomes a lot more sensible.
To be perfectly honest, splitting one ball into ten is preferable over just playing a match with ten balls at this point. PoT already violated the laws of physics as pointed out, so we can at least try to be somewhat close to actual tennis rules.
Regarding the speed multiplier theory, if x-1 of the balls are just afterimages, why are they spread out like that?
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When I misinterpreted Kaoz's question, I mentioned that there is a loophole in the speed multplier theory. Although this theory is the one I'm more inclined to agree with, why are they hitting it back to each other that way?
They aren't even aiming for the corners. If it's a 5 ball rally, they only change the general direction of the balls on the sixth, eleventh and sixteenth shot etc. Why don't they just hit it into the corner on the second shot so you can't catch up to it?
And, like I said, what Konomi is doing here is similar to what fighting manga do when they show characters dealing / being dealt all kinds of impacts and blows from different angles continuously, like in Dragon Ball Z or Saint Seiya. Because it's a manga it may appear that they are all being dealt simultaneously, when in reality they aren't.
It's not to say I doubted it. You said I doubted it.
I said Kintaro will have 10 balls when we see him have 10 balls. I was right.
I said that he will not improve at the exact same rate as the main character... I was right about that too.
I said for now, Kintaro does not have 10 balls. This was after Ryoma was shown with it. And I was right. When Ryoma had 10ball against Tokugawa, Tooyama's limit was apparently 8 and he broke it just in the last chapter.
I don't know how me saying that Kintaro doesn't have 10 until we see him have 10 has been proven wrong here.
He didn't have 10 til we saw him have 10.
Akutsu and Sanada might perhaps be different.
Nothing "straw man" about my argument.
Tooyama may well be the strongest MSer in the camp right now.
Tooyama is awesome to watch animated when I think back to his 1-Point match, but I find him extremely boring in the manga.
Yes, I do not understand this need to explain what which is just Magic. At this point POT characters can compete with X-men in superpower, Niou has been given telepathy already.
If we all agree that they are not really playing with 10 balls, then Tooyama probably hasn´t achieved 10 balls...
Edit: I mean, I know that Konomi wanted to show that he has improved and achieved 10 balls, but he kinda failed if we think that 9 of those 10 balls are fake.
Last edited by Hardy; December 03, 2012 at 06:14 PM.
Lets just make this clear, because of one thing we can be sure. They're playing with ten balls using one ball.
Someone mentioned quantum physics before and I didn't believe it. However, with the above fact in consideration, if we were to attempt to explain what Oni is doing, quantum physics would probably be the closest science involved. I'm not an expert on it, but I once heard that in quantum physics molecules (or electrons, or something, I dunno) can 'exist' and 'not exist' at the same time. So maybe, ten balls exist and don't exist at the same time.
We don't know how he do it, and we don't need to know. It's just another crazy PoT technique.