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First of all, the chapter was amazing.
Second, i absolutely not agree that Yagi should investigate too deeply in the new characters (the ABs), imo Claymore is not a manga like that, it has always used a very different style. Think about it, there are a lot of characters (even important one) that we know very little about their "story", what Yagi does is simply let us figure out those characters looking at what they actually do in the "present time" in the manga.
Where the hell is written that the reader has to know something more about the ABs (for example) than what their actions are? Sure, generally that's what is done when introducing new characters, so what? Claymore uses a different approach and focus on the personal backgroung of some characters only rarely, and usually this rare privilege is done only for very important characters (Claire,Teresa,Miria...) or to explain things that are necassary to explain what is happening in "present time" (like the hate between Roxy and Cassy) .
I don't see how the ghosts seem weak compared to the ABs, they are probably simply surprised to see an attack done by some many very powerful ABs, it's not that it's something that you see everyday.
Also, taken one by one, even logic dictates that some of the ABs are more powerful than the ghosts, so it's normal that their team attack is something quite fearsome even from the ghost's point of view.
Anyway, someone said that the ghosts seems weak compared to the ABs, but tbh Claire did more damage than any of the ABs without even being completely serious, imo some of you people are overreacting.
About Miria, she has ALWAYS been weak from a pure-strenght prospective, it's not that she changed now, and no, Claire using the QS has always been a lot stronger (physically) than Miria, in case people have forgotten, she was able to cut houses with her sword, and that was true even when her QS was a lot weaker than now..........
Yes, the QS power is not as focused as Jean's drill, but still, Claire is so powerful now that i doubt that there is an enemy that she can't cut (contrary to Miria).
Last edited by MalakTawus; December 29, 2012 at 09:18 AM.
Just saw the images. There's a good variety of designs present, most of which are quite nice. Octavia's basically a quasi-Riful sitting on top of a quasi-Isley. One gal looks like an iron maiden with blades that just may be able to perform a QS-like attack. Another gal looks like the AB Helen drilled, only with a better face and Hysteria's wings, and shoots blades from somewhere (the back of her neck?) like Roxanne. The ones I didn't dig so much are the gaping-mouth AB and the buff gal. Though her form's quite unique, the gaping-mouth AB doesn't seem to be very mobile and her ability seems very limited in use. The buff gal transformed into an armored, Dauf-like form but with a face that doesn't quite seem to go with it.
These ABs seem quite powerful offensively, particularly Octavia and the bladed gal, but we all know what's going to happen. Despite the multiple "!" moments from Cassandra, we just know she's going to obliterate them. Despite the multiple ABs surrounding her, she doesn't seem fazed at all. Besides, she hasn't gone DE just yet. Octavia may be smirking now, but her little pony just might find itself legless in a split-second.
As for Priscilla, we just know she'll spring back and deal serious damage to the Riful-like being just like she did with Isley and the possessed Dauf.
Still, the action's pretty nice. As many have said, no plot progression; just good ol' battles to pump up the excitement for the next scene.
Yup, i don't know how Yagi intends to "solve" the Prissy's situation, but there is no doubt that at the very end Prissy will show an enormous difference in power and will prevail once again like it's nothing big.Quote:
Better that chibi-Riful enjoys this moment of apparent victory, 'cause sure as hell it won't last long.
Side note: The vets look bad ass all round the elf ear one looks like she will have a hard time moving , Octavia looks the best wonder why she changed so much when she awakened???? is that what her human body looked like when she was human?
I wonder how many heads (Cassandra heads) the vagi-wakened one can take? They're both elves and this is really getting kinkier.
It's one thing that Yagi let Clare beat the shit out of Cassandra while not sustaining any injury (or even scratch), it's another when in the next chapter we have to watch it again only with ABs this time as executors (come on, how long can she play the part of a whipping boy?). But in the end they will be obliterated and it will mean nothing. Instead he could have for example make them fight each other earlier since not everyone would agree to help the ghosts or fight Claymores (and that way show their abilities). Or them fighting Claymores. It would certainly make more sense than Helen, Deneve and the rest (i.e. all besides Clare and Miria) working together having trouble with 1 (ONE) Awakened Being. As I've said in 131st chapter thread, if they had so much trouble with a small fry then how do they expect to take on Cassandra?
This is only a small sample of surprised faces in the last two chapters. If I wasn't as lazy as I am I could make it at least twice as wide (or maybe make a gif even).
As for you saying that it's logical for some of the ABs to be more powerful than ghosts, sure, except I never said otherwise. I've brought up Miria, who should be stronger than any of them considering her fighting record and in this post a ghost team which had troubles with 1 AB.
IsleyRigaldo should be much more fearsome than anyone except Octavia maybe). I don't see how small fries such as these ABs could instill fear in them.
As for Clare doing more damage than any of the ABs, how is that relevant to what I've said? Clare is in a different league than any of the ghosts (which I know you agree with), while I was talking about Miria and Roxanne.
Last but not least, I don't remember a house being cut with QS unless you mean Irene doing some cuts to a door frame + a part of wall which for all we know was made of wood. I would like to see her cut stone pillar or Duff's armour.
Last edited by Goral; December 30, 2012 at 12:34 AM. Reason: Isley -> Rigaldo
octavia is definantly one of the best of this bunch, though unfortunately i have seen her design before. she looks like a certain Apostle, the demons of the Berserk manga. this guy had a bestial body with a humanoid body sticking out of the rump. though he was, strangely enough, and archer.
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not sure if you missed the memo, but these girls and guys are NOT small fries. they are old, experienced, and high leveled creatures. these guys were probably the silver eyed lions of their times, and that awakened could spar with the likes of isley. not saying that they will obliterate cassandra, i am saying to think they will die so easily is like saying the silver eyed lion died easily. that guy even survived attackign priscilla, though barely and only because isley internvened.
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i think it could simply be that the destroyer is in control. considering it is a formless mass, it is simply borrowing priscilla's shape. though priscilla is still inside of it, she coudl still get into control, but i think our mindless monster is about to realize it needs to get serious...... shudders.
i think miss iron maiden of death with blades is kinda the oen who changed the most. i can't see a single recognizable feature to her human fomr in it.
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let us not forget a few factors. in all of those previosu fights, it is obvious priscilla had the distinct advantage. her enemies were torn like paper. here the enemy withstood the strength and fougth back. things are just giong to get more serious now.
Thank you Gene for the early chapter! Happy New Year to you too!
Here is my translation. =)
Hades' Battle Prowess
The warriors are played by Cassandra, in the midst of danger during this battle, appear in front of them is Octavia leading the awaken beings who have endured countless battles!!
Cassandra has stopped her footsteps... Priscilla is being crushed by the youngling of the Abyssal... A heavenly assistance could not even be thought of, would the plan of stopping the merging be a success just like this...!?
- Miria: You guys...
- Octavia: Really good for nothing eh. At this time even if we have to finish her, we must stop this girl (child).
- Miria: Ku.
- Octavia: Ah.
- Helen: Wha..
- Octavia: Hmm-- No way it's stopping her, no matter how much we attack those head diversions, her main body is still not affect at all.
- Octavia: Really sorry for calling you guys good for nothing, facing this kind of top level opponent, you guys are already doing you best.
- Helen: Wha..
- Miria: Wild Horse Octavia
- Helen: Oww.
- Miria: Hurry back away, we will be caught up in it.
- Tabitha: Cassandra's footsteps have stopped.
- Tabitha: Right now, let's pull out Cassandra's sense of self that is deep within.
- Lars: This... What is this thing?
- Lars: A monster that appeared in this place that is even stronger that the monster that surpasses the Abyssal.
- Lars: The victor is being revealed.
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you do realize that most awakened do not openly display surprise or pain. not to mention that cassandra is kidna mindjacked. these guys were probably on the smae levels as a certain silver eyed lion, who has to his name the ability to fight isley and survive and surviving an encounter with priscilla. albeit he mainly survived the later because of siley's itnervention.
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kinda a fake otu, but things are gonna get serious soon. this is just the beginning of their fight.
Octy's awekened form looks similar to that of Isley, lol.
Crap chapter... agree with Goral (BTW Goral can't translate ATM... computer died, stuck with cell phone only. Worse car died at the same time so stuck fixing that first so be a while for PC to get fixed (hard disk dying, car issue unknown... maybe I'm in a bad mood due to that and more be going on with me ATM, sorry if I come off as rude))
Anyways as stated before this CH was all needless hype before the destined merging take place... so what if Lars called Riful/Dauf the winner since Kronos didn't. So what if the ABs can destroy a head each... Claire destroyed half a dozen at once and actually hit the main body. Art work was good but not great and that spiked ball AB, really is Yagi trying any more? If this is what we're going to get from now on just end it quickly and stop the needless hyping already... we all know how it will turn out with the ABs killing each other off and the power of sisterhood saving every last warriors life with Claire and Raki getting a happy ending.
Last edited by Ryus; December 29, 2012 at 11:27 AM.
Encounter destructive level illogical of these AB.
Comparing them with Agatha, she seems ridiculously weak.
Regarding Priscilla, I think she is still blocked by the destroyer.
When he see them can die, he will let her have its true power, then Rifuldoll death.
Someone said Octavia looks like a certain Apostle, the demons of the Berserk manga. Can anyone shed some images to compare the two?
I can't deny your speculation since atm we know nothing concrete about Prissy/destroyer real situation, but imo what you are suggesting would be a very lame choice from Yagi since i'm sure that eventually he'll want to draw a real fight between Claire and Prissy.
Of course i can't be certain but imo that fight is their fate......so of course i don't agree with your speculation since in that case Claire-Prissy confrontation will result very weakened in its meaning.
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If you don't feel part of the group that wants to know the backgrounds of every new character, than what i said (that i think was quite clear) doesn't involve you.
Tbh i don't understand very well what do you mean that Yagi should have introduced earlier their abilities since i don't see why the hell those ABs should use their abilities before this chapter, imo it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Imo the reader discovers in this chapter all the AB's abilities exactly like the ghosts see them for the first time, i don't see anything strange here, but maybe i'm not fully understanding what you meant with "introducing first their abilities".
I don't agree at all. Cassy now seems to be remote-controlled by Prissy's will so it makes perfect sense that she acts a bit like Prissy and basically doesn't mind too much about powers that are seen as inferior.Quote:
Cassy in fact is NOT beaten to a pulp, she isn't even fightning seriously (infact she NEVER used her agility).
Proof that denies what you said is that Cassy fought normally against Roxy, she didn't act like this before, so it's quite clear that "something" is affecting her now, and since we know that that "something" is Prissy than it makes PERFECT SENSE that she acts like this now since even Prissy has ALWAYS acted this way.
Just because Riful likes to "play", it's what she has always done from the very beginning.Quote:
No, just no.Quote:
Isley wasn't playing around with Helen, he really was fighting at his best in his very weakened condition (and trying to not waste energy).
If he awakened he would have won in an instant, but there was a very good reason why he didn't want to awaken and waste energy.....
Ehm....Hysty was NEVER beaten to a pulp, she was killed with a trick, huge difference, it has nothing to do with "first bad guy is being beaten to a pulp, then he beats his opponents to a pulp" pattern.Quote:
As long as Prissy did==> as long as she gets annoyed.............also let's stop pretending to not understand why this happens:Quote:
if Yagi wanted to do differently he could have Cassy go full power from the very beginning and we'll have tons of new potentially interesting characters dying without even showing a little bit of what they could do, and i'm sure in that case there will be tons of people complaining something like "what's the point in introducing all those characters if they die so suddenly like morons? At least in Pieta even the characters that died they had a few chapters to show themselves!!!This is lame and idiotic!".
I don't think even the ghosts have seen a team of ABs as strong as the one in front of their eyes now,NEVER.Quote:
Regarding Miria, i don't see how the hell can you conclude that she is stronger than any of them. She wasn't even at the same level than Histy in human form and we have no idea how strong those ABs really are, sure they may not be abyssals, but they are basically the strongest thing there is beside abyssals.
Miria also is not as great as you make her seem, she has the great advantage of speed (that it's surely one of the most important factors in fights, i don't deny it), but is she is against an AB where speed is not enough there is very little that she can do.......and to enter in the merit of the current situation,against Cassy those ABs are 100 time better than Miria since Miria's power is useless against Cassy, at best she can help the other as a decoy,nothing more.
So yes, seeing someone that can actually destroy Cassy is surely something quite amazing, even more if you consider that the ghosts saw all those transformations and different attacks in a very fast sequence (and probably were still quite surprised to see that the ABs really decided to fight on their side, sure they hoped it would happen, but seeing with their own eyes is surely different).
They were surprised even when they saw Isley and Prissy.Quote:
What you say doesn't make any sense: if you go to the sea and see an huge wave 15 meters tall you are surprised.
If after a few days you see a wave 10 meters tall, are you telling me that you won't be surprised anymore??? For the love of god, it's still an huge wave regardless, of course you would be surprised anyway!
Using your logic,when Deneve and company saw the 3 abyssals fighting they should have said something like: "sure they are strong, but hey, we have already seen Prissy, this is not amazing animore!"
Those ABs are NOT small fries, hey are the best between the ones that came to see Prissy since they are the ones that were able to survive quite easily her first attack.Quote:
Also, there is a very good chance that the ghosts are not surprised only by the strenght of those ABs, but also by the strangeness of some of their attacks and transformations.
Maybe i'm wrong, but i was quite sure that you said that the ghosts seemed weak compared to the ABs.......and wel, Claire is still a ghost (even if it's true that i agree that she is in a different league).Quote:
Ok, i admit using Claire wasn't very fair, but afterall, it's not that the ghosts are generally weaker than the ABs team, but imo it's true that against Cassy the ghosts are indeed weaker (Claire excluded) than the AB team since Miria, that after Claire is by far the strongest, is quite ineffective.
The only other ghosts that could damage Cassy would be Helen and MAYBE Deneve (since it seems to have increased her physical strenght a lot), but let's be honest, Cassy is simply too strong for those 2 (even if Miria could be useful to defend Helen while she attacks,but still......).
In other words, against Cassy the ABs team is a lot better since every single one of them is powerful enough to damage Cassy......of course as soon as Cassy will get serious, i doubt they'll be able to do much unless Octavia and Chronos (if he joins) are a lot stronger than "normal".
Last edited by MalakTawus; December 29, 2012 at 01:13 PM.
I'm surprised that the ABs turned out so cool. I guess I thought that they would look ridiculous, but they didn't. As it has been stated the chapter doesn't do much plot wise, but is very good artistically. And the Riful-doll seems to have the upper hand on priscilla, for now. We all know that priscilla is going to show her ridiculous strength and defeat Riful-doll.