First we had Wisely pointing the fact that Tyki looks a lot like Neah, fact confirmed by Road in Chapter 187. While the rest of Noahs looks a lot different from each other.
Then we had Neah appearing to Allen and even Allen thought he was Tyki.
After having Wisely's and Skin Bolic's noahlizations, I thought that all Noah's faces were from the human form.
So it made me think that maybe the human that became this Joyed (Tyki) is related to the human that became Neah (before Allen). Maybe they were siblings or cousins.
What do you think?
Whoa!! I never thought it like that...!
Nice ideas! But now that you mention it...
How about: Neah as a Noah died, the human host remained, and afterwards became the host for Joido Noah!
Totally far-fetched XD It's more likely they're brothers... After all, there IS a curious brother relationship between Mana-Neah & Neah-Earl. So it's pretty likely there is a similar connection between Tyki and Neah...
Whoa, what a big family
I'd like to see more opinions about this. It's very interesting.
Neah did die 35 years ago and tyki is 26(acording to wiki) so the age is the only problem cuz we don't know how old Neah was when he died.
But it is stil posible for a connection, Tyki could be Neah younger cousin cuz we do not know Neah's family other than Mana.
Neah and Tyki are pretty much alike so it is possible to be a even closer connection.
My theory is the previous Joyde was two people, a lot like Jasdevi. (Neah and Mana together being the previous Joyde, of course). And the only thing that's got Neah still alive and kickin' at the moment was his forethought to implant his memories into his future host, to insure he'll "reincarnate" if died fighting the Earl.
It's hilariously far-fetched, but it's the first idea that pops into my mind that explains why Neah, a young Mana and Tyki all look the bloody same- they're all the same Noah.
Debitto and Jasderi (or however they're called) don't look alike though.
We have: __Mana looks like Earl
__________Joyd looks like Neah
Tyki DOES seem to be special, because je consiously tried to repress the Noah's personality.
I think that Neah is the Earl's succesor, like, his son. And maybe Mana was earl for a while, then the Noah inside him quitted, and there was a new Earl... And Mana didn't remember anything afterwards. Anyway we only have their word that the Earl lived for so many years, but I think that the Earl's appearence (with the teeth and glasses) is just a cover, something that was also implied in Continue. So, maybe even the earl dies, but because all the Earls use the same cover, no one finds out. In addition, something like that would mean that there IS a way to save the host from the Noah after all, and so Allen has a chance.
If it was 2 years ago, the person that wondered if Tyki could be Neah's child in my DeviantArt can be correct.
And we don't know if all the Noahs can keep or change their age appearance as Road can.
wiki says neah is mana's younger brother
I didn't know about thatQuote:
... I have no theories right now, just thought I'd add another clue(?)
Back in chapter 93 there was some sort of foreshadowing to Tyki being "special"
for some reason this phrase made me laugh *shot*.
Gosh, how it has nagged me ever since the first time I read those pages x'D :
Tyki's... obsession(?) with Allen definitely has something to do with him being the 14th... and the fact that Tyki and Nea looks almost identical also adds so much to this whole mystery, and is probably linked with Earl and Mana looking alike... Tyki seems to almost hold a grudge or something against Allen/14th on the above pages (... could that mean that Tyki is not simply a reincarnation of the 14th, or would he in that case be angry at/obsessed with himself? )
I'm sorry, I really don't have a theory, not even a clue! D8 I salute Hoshino-sama
aka Earl/Godfor that
Last edited by relory; December 18, 2010 at 05:28 PM.
well......In reverse 3, Mana is supposedly 17 years old. by current logic, Tyki can't be Neah's son b/c Neah is supposed to be younger than even Mana. Up until now, i was under the impression that Tyki was 'special' b/c he suppresed the Noah unintentionaly (or so said by the Earl when he comes to pick up release!Tyki) It could be that Joyd was on Neah's side, but was killed in the process. The earl might be blaming his death on neah.......
Ugh, hoshino. we need answers!!! D=
If Mana were really 17 at the time of him adopting Allen/Red-at-the-time, then wouldn't he be about Tyki's age now, if he were still alive?
Also, I've started to think that Allen is developing so many symptoms of being the 14th at this point because he's about the age Neah probably was when he died - if Mana was 17, Neah had to be at least a year younger than him, and Allen is 16 by now, then they're both the same "age", aren't they?
I like the idea of Neah and Mana both being Joyd at the same time just like Jasdevi, but I see no precedent for that. For Jasdevi it makes sense because they're the "Bonds" of the Noah. Them being split up into two parts and then joining back up into one makes perfect sense (to me, anyway). But the "Pleasure" of the Noah? I just don't see why that would make any sense. Perhaps if they were lovers, but unless we're involving some kind of incest here, I don't see that happening. D8
I like to think that Tyki's resemblance to Neah is purely symbolic, but there's a good chance that Hoshino's up to no good again with this one!
The theory I believe most is that (thanks to yoh。@ikunlun) Mana's body was changed by 14th, from a 17-year-old teen's body to a human man's body (maybe the earl 's spare body, since we can see from the reverse3 that Mana looked a lot like the earl. ). Somehow Mana slept for over 20 years, and when he woke up, he found himself being an old man. From the novel we can see that Mana didn't know Neah was already dead and he thought he was only 17.
So where is Mana's real body? If Mana and 14th are twin brothers, It can be assumed that the body that Tyki is using currently is Mana's real body. It can't be 14th's body, since Tyki has a mole below his left eye, while Neah hasn't got one.
In Cross's recollection, Mana had long hair; Now Tyki got long hair too. Is that a hint?
Maybe, just maybe, "Pleasures" and "Destruction" might have been the same Noah (Not talking about the hosts here) before something happened and caused them to split? Like, the original Noah of Pleasure/Destruction was too powerful so someone forced them into two? I mean, the ability to choose what to touch, and the ability to choose what to destroy... With a touch, you can destroy, something to that extent.
The loss of half your soul isn't exactly a good thing, kinda like the concept of soul twins. They'll do whatever it takes to join back with their other half and risk being driven insane in the process, which would sort of explain why both Tyki and Allen lost control and went berserk when they both awakened (And Tyki's obsession with Allen, for that matter).
Also, what about Cyril? Has he been confirmed to be a real, blood-related brother to Tyki or just a "brother" in Noah terms?
Perhaps the Earl had a play in sacrilege. Too much obsession isn't a pretty thing.
Last edited by oceanfrost; December 20, 2010 at 11:54 PM.