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For me, characters with room to grow are those;
a) who haven't shown us a Bankai; Kyouraku, Ukitake, Unohana, Shinji, and the list goes on.
b) who haven't shown the captain-level class completely; Renji.
c) who have no honed skills apart from immense strength and can use time to improve; Kenpachi.
d) who are yet to make an appearance of significant degree; Ryuuken.
e) who have the potential to defeat an enemy boss; Ichigo.
If he comes back and defeats As Nodt, I wouldn't call it worthy of his character. I'm yet to be convinced that Bankai Byakuya couldn't defeat As Nodt at that time, and it's not tough to imagine Shikai Byakuya won't be winning against him, either, so, I don't know.
I hope I'm proven wrong, but I'm not very optimistic about that.
Everyone has his limit. Byakuya has one as well. He was captain who showed us his bankai really quick and his feats weren't very impressive. Even with that Bankai of his.
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Kenpachi also has been a rival for Byakuya for a long time, this has been hinted at time and time again, to boost one so far over the other, I am not buying that.
Hes a genius, he trained but nothing says he trained as hard as he could before, he just didn't need to. Now he does, to protect Rukia and all he loves (emphasis on Rukia). Byakuya has tons of room to grow if we look at what is being insinuated, that Byakuya will go trough the most epic training of all Bleach history.
He never was perfect, might not be but he sure as hell can improve a ton. He will become a beast :P
I might be wrong, I just hope I am right because it's always nice to land a prediction so early in the story 8)
Still, there's no room for him to improve. He will get his Bankai back, he will say something about fear, and then he will beat As Nodt with his Bankai. All mindset changing didn't help him overcome fear. Now we'll see change in his attitude towards battle and fear. Nothing else. He won't get significantly stronger. He can't be. If he had a room to improve he would have improved long ago.Quote:
I do also recall his fight with Tsukishima quite well, well enough to know that he had a change of attitude in his fighting, but let's pass.
I'm sure he isn't going to disappoint his fans, which definitely includes me. I don't know why you are constantly trying to imply I'm not a fan of him or something, though I'm not insulted by your words by any means. It's fine.
I wasn't really trying to convince you into anything. I just wanted to state my mere opinion and the things on which I based them, which should be fine, as you said.
Anyway, we are defining the concept of room to improve differently, I guess. If he comes back, defeat the Quincy as he was supposed to, talk to Ichigo, Renji, Rukia and assist them mentally or whatever you'd like to add, I don't consider any of these as a room to improve.
To me, room to improve is equal to character development in power sense and nothing else. It's my view of it.
Besides, I'm not on the side that keeps telling Byakuya became irrelevant or useless to the plot, which is certainly not the case, for the reasons you listed. I just think he will actually be back as Byakuya, not superior to his original self.
It was you who said, that saying "he has no room to grow" is "lack of respect" and "real fan wouldn't say that". It's Bleach, we already saw his limit, but you want to believe he will be stronger. IT IS FACT. He has NO ROOM for improvement. You want him to have. Getting bankai back is the only thing he can do.
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And for your information, strength does not simply have to do with power. It has to do with resolve, strategy skill and maturity. Byakuya serves a purpose and has room to grow, which he will do in future chapters. See you there.
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However, developing a new technique within the little given time to improve isn't that probable, so, we'll probably not see his improved mastery over Bankai within the story's time.
And don't speak about his "epic return" as this is a fact. I told you, beating As Nodt with little Talk No Jutsu about fear is everything he will do. And regaining bankai is his improvement. We don't even know if he is there for training. Maybe Kirinji will heal him and send him back.