The issue at hand as far as a potential powerup for the guys at the royal palace right now is that there is no reason in particular for all of them to not get exactly the same benefits from the food (except for ichigo who is the one with the greater amount of actually dormant power contrary to renji, rukia and byakuya who do not have any dormant power, they have to literally become stronger the standard way). All of them went through the spring treatment, they will all likely get the special food and they will all perhaps get their zampakutos back into proper shape (ichigo and renji have their bankais broken and we have seen byakuya's sealed blade and rukia's shikai get broken once and there is still the possibility that byakuya's hakuteiken got some long term damage which can be repaired by nimaiya now even if his bankai is no available right now). There is also the consideration that while byakuya is a captain level shinigami he is still comparatively young by shinigami standards, there is no reason for him to not be able to grow stronger.
Note that I did not say I thought any of them would be going through a significant power boost though. I just think that all of them will enjoy the same comparative fruits from being properly healed and eaten kirio's food.
Taking in consideration how kirio's food works I don't think actually putting the gotei 13 through her food is an option at this point. The method she uses to feed people is extreme to the point of making her skinny overnight. If she depletes her reiatsu at that rate then obviously feeding more people puts a much greater strain on her body. Feeding the entire gotei 13 has the implication that she has to have enough reiatsu to do so. If just two people got her that thin then I can't imagine her doing more than a few at a time. Then we have to consider how long it takes for her to get her fat back. In all likelihood 4 people is just about as many as she can handle at a time, the number was likely not random (and coincidentally it would also be the number of royal guards she would have to feed at a time if she ever does that).
Maybe after Urahara and Mayuri somehow counters the medallion to prevent Bankai stealing, he could devise a plan and use Renji's Bankai power to get his own back. He is a better tactician than the most.
Not only are you making mistakes with your words you are are also not admitting the fact that the invasion literally ended in a few mins. This happend to show the overwhelming ruthlessness & power of the quincies incomparation to SS. It says it in the manga itself "above captain class fighters". You simple should accept that instead of arguing the pointless.
My love for the quincies? Don't make me laugh. I'm showing you what happend in the manga. The sternritters remained ruthless killers & continuously trained under his majesty, Juha Bach while Yama & the new breed of shinigamis gone soft. The invasion was a massacre not a war.
Why did they steal bankai? How can you ask such a stupid question? Because they can, because it eases the strain because it reduces the effort, because it cripples their enemies, because it increases their power. You want more?
Bankai enabling is enough of a power up.
I also expect Byakuya to get stronger by time, since he probably hasn't hit his ceiling yet. His efficiency in using his skills could only go upwards from now on, but I doubt we will get to see such an improvement in short term.
Moreover, there was also Tenjiro's healing pond, which seemingly didn't have such a restriction, but they weren't taken to there, either.
I don't know. There are some holes surrounding the Guards at the moment (like on who they are using these abilities unless a battle situation emerges). We will have to wait and see to get clarified.
Also take into consideration that Juha Bach doesn't just sit down, he is a man exemplifying effective action. I imagine he in at Vandenreich in a secret war room with his fellow sternritters planning for the royal guards "let's retreat & wait for them to assemble". The royals don't have the time to babysit SS concerning their work (remeber they stay objective).
As for the VCs taken I would think that the main reason to take them is because of ichigo and the fact that they would be the more injured ones out there. There would be no reason to take the other captains as they were simply not hurt enough, unohana has the means to deal with them. Neither rukia nor renji are strong by captain standards but they are still an important part of the leadership of the squads as VCs and renji is a bankai user who SS cannot afford to not have. Healing as far as kirinji is concerned is about removing foreign reiatsu from the body of the user so perhaps the issue to consider here as far as kenpachi goes is that he has enough reiatsu of his own to recover on his own. Kenpachi is almost certainly the captain with highest amount of reiatsu in the current gotei 13, it makes sense that he would be able to ward of enemy reiatsu from his body on his own better than other captains. Perhaps a part of the reason kenpachi is able to tolerate wounds to the extent he can is because of his massive reiatsu. Its so massive that reiatsu that would normally stay to hurt him (like it apparently did to byakuya) is simply crushed by his own thus why he would not need kirinji's pools. Of course kenpachi does not actually regenerate however just pushing out enemy reiatsu from his body with his own overwhelming reiatsu could indeed result in a better ability to deal with injuries. In this regard the scenario would be that a wound dealt by juhabach would be more serious than if the exact same wound was dealt by an ordinary captain level enemy.
I am thinking the next chapter will give the greatest hint of what is planned for Byakuya. What the Zanpakutou training does is really key for if he gets a power up, while I still think hes overall skills will improve as a result of the training. It just makes sense to not expect the bankai to return and thus upping your other skills in order to become useful.
Question, does the Shikai still work when the Bankai is stolen (or sealed or w/e)
Thank you very much. So we do have possible improvement in every sense except for Bankai, which may also work if the medallions have a copy+sealing effect.
If simply stealing a captains Bankai renders them useless then what would happen to all the other captains who had their's stolen as well? The only reason why Byakuya is currently down and out is because he sustained the most if not worst (with the exception of Zaraki and Yamamoto of course) injuries out of all the captains who had their Bankai stolen.
Also, I don't think it's be possible for him to return to full capacity, let alone being able to wield his sword again because:
We watched the hilt of his blade shatter; there had to be a reason why Tite Kubo chose to so blatantly show his sword shattering. No matter how his physical body heals; the chance of him ever regaining his original sword seems to be slim, unless Tite pulls another trick out of the bag.
He will become a beast...and I have 2 reasons for saying this...it seems like Kubo has devoted a bit of attention to Byakuya in these arcs...
1. He made him use hand to hand combat and he made him reach a state of mind where he enjoys combat for a bit...so that's just another thing in his arsenal and a new state of mind that he can reach to annihilate his opponents...
2. He made him face his worst fears and be defeated by them...not to mention that it was a defeat that made him ask for Ichigo's help(after he said that Ichigo could not be of use in Hueco Mundo)...and now he will recover from that ordeal...
So in terms of having the right mindset to tear his opponents to pieces I think he is on the right track...and we know that a right mindset is useful in combat...and he definitely has the skillset(now having hand to hand combat as well) to be considered a beast...
What of his Zanpaktou? Well first of all I think someone will devise a method to break and/or guard against the effects of the quincy medallion...and second, even Byakuya might get help from the Afro Royal Guard...
So in the end I think he will end up as a beast...I think Kubo has shown us that Byakuya is open to development, so I'm hoping for a lot!
The shattering of his Shikai was an indication of his weakened reiatsu at that point, I suppose. Perhaps like Bankai canceling itself on its own without the user intending to do so, when the wielder is close to death.
No, I don't think he will become a beast.
Byakuya is not the same person he was before that battle with the Stern Ritter. His mental psyche has been torn to shreds for a number of reasons. He failed to defeat his adversary. He failed to protect Soul Society. He failed to protect the one person who means everything in the world to him. We knew this wasn't the same Byakuya we had grown to love and care about throughout the story when he asked Ichigo to succeed where he had failed. At this point he was a physically and mentally broken man. This is something we have never seen before happen to the prideful warrior Byakuya. I think it's absurd to believe he'll hop right back in battle with a head full of confidence. Human nature will propel him to question and most likely doubt himself as he slowly recovers. The right state of mind in battle can make all the difference as we've seen numerous times throughout the story. There's no guarantee he'll fully recover from the damage done to his mental psyche. He may never be the same again. If he does not have enough conviction in his heart or if he does not have the resiliency to bounce back from his colossal failure, he will not prove to be a great asset to the Shinigami in their war against the Quincys.
Secondly, there's the issue of his stolen Bankai. I suspect Byakuya will return to normal strength in time thanks largely in part to the Royal Guards abilities. He may be physically healed in time, but that doesn't change the fact he is a shell of his former self without the power of his Bankai. That's even more added reason why he should doubt his abilities when he engages in battle once again with the Quincys, and if he's questioning himself that's definitely not the right state of mind he needs to emerge victorious in battle. As the last battle proved Byakuya will not be strong enough to defeat the Stern Ritter with Shikai alone or any mid-level captain for that matter (I'm excluding the more powerful older captains). Unless the geniuses of Soul Society can devise a strategy that enables the captains to retrieve their stolen Bankai's from the Quincy's in the next battle it will be a massacre just like last time. Byakuya will find himself in a similar situation where his own power will be used against him, and there will be nothing he can do about it as he is beaten to a bloody pulp once again.
I never really thought of Byakuya as a beast at least not after the rescue Rukia arc. He's certainly has room to grow and get stronger no one is questioning that. He can become a beast after he gets his Bankai back, and does some extreme training to strengthen his abilities. Until then he is a nobody to me, and I still wonder why Kubo decided to keep in him alive after his supposed departure.
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Like I said before, Ichigo has gone through some of the most messed of shit in the world & he conquered them. Why? Because 'he had to' otherwise he wouldn't protect those he wanted to protect. Byakuya is the head of the Kuchiki family, he must for their sake, for his surbordinates sake & for their familes sake, for the sake of all who trust him & rely on him, 'he must protect' (who else says these statements... Ichigo).
When Byakuya was crushed by As Nodt, he experencied the state of being completely powerless (which was something he hadn't experienced in a very long while). He forgotten how to overcome that but let me tell you this, if Ichigo (the recent one) were to be hit by As Nodt's fear ability, he would simply laugh it off because he constantly goes through unbearable situations & continuously conquered them & that's because he is of the mindset that 'if I despair, they will die'.
Ichigo would have conquered As Nodt's ability with his own fear. The fear of not being able to protect those he want to protect. That is Ichigo's greatest fear but it's also his greatest strength.
I think Byakuya will get back his Bankai (without it he really can't hope to oppose a sternritter one on one) but this time he will be of a different mindset (You know how Ichigo was like when he arrived at chapter 512, clenching his fist, looking firm & with that rage, I picture Byakuya like that after he had reaffirm who he is & what he is fighting for).
It's not going to be easy but I think it will be done.
This recent chapters is really going to develop his character (I just know it). He is my fav captain in the entire gote1 13 afterall so I'm interested to see how it turns out.
Also Byakuya doesn't have to defeat a sternritter by himself to prove he is a beast (I guess we may have different opinions as to who a beast is). IMO a beast is a fearless individual in all situations inspite of what the difficulty, a beast fears nothing. The sternritters are ruthless individuals that are clearly "above captain class" fighters with some every haxx abilities. Vollstandig is one ability that works similarly to FGT in the sense that it pushes the spirual power to the very max. When the sternritters use such tech, they surpass most strong individuals (Vollstandig's boost is greater than bankai itself). This arc isn't about a single individual acting alone, they must all work together to fight the enemy.
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