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The One who Knows Everything
When did the Kyuubi say that? Few chapters ago, after they became butt buddies. Nothin else indicated that was possible.Quote:
there was a thread asking what could Kishi do to troll us most. i know one answer now. Naruto giving chakra everyone and creating pseudo jinchurikki must be one of the greatest trollings ever were in the manga.
Except the Biju's ability to give it's chakra to a host, but ok. the fox even said it within that same sentence.Quote:
In fact, I am not surprised at all. I have been pointing out on all the forum where I discuss that a lot of the badassness of Kyuubi are due to Naruto's Uzumaki body ,and I think it is understandable. Naruto is the son of Kushina Uzumaki, a woman who after giving birth and after being extracted the full Kyuubi was able to bind the full angry rampaging beast with her chakra. Kushina was hinted to be the strongest shinobi in term of power of the chakra. I even noted the fact that Kushina's chakra chain binds the Biju in the same way as the chakra chain from Gedo Mazou. Thus, in my understanding, if Naruto were to inherit his mother's chakra, his chakra should be stronger than Kyuubi's chakra. Though, Kishi used the term conversion, I think, Naruto discovered also how his mother was able to manipulate her chakra, and he is doing it with his chakra and the Kyuubi's. (note that I am a Naruto fanboy, but at least I put some fact).
Finally, I think that the strength Of Naruto's chakra has not been shown at full power yet. An air palm used by Hinata projected Juubi's arm while Killer be + his bijudama were flick away by Juubi's finger in it first transformation. This show the extent of the power of Naruto's new chakra. I am expecting to see his own version of the chakra chain.
Note: While Uchiha's eyes seems to connect them to Juubi's eyes, the body of some Senju seems to have some power of the Juubi/Gedo Mazou. Madara had the sharingan while Hashimara had the Mokuton. Uzumaki seems to have the Rinnegan part, and though I have been speculating about this for sometimes, the chakra chain can be used only by Rinnegan and Kushina. Kushina had also a Barrier that was so powerful that Kyuubi couldn't escape. Nagato used a similar barrier to protect himself from Kyuubi's chakra bullet.
My Fanfiction to tease all the people who like to deny Naruto's power
1. In my opinion, only Rikudo can unite Uchiha and Senju. I mean a neutral person. In the past, the Uzumaki made a mistake by siding with the senju, but Naruto is correcting it by trying to save Sasuke. I am pretty sure that Uzumaki have trace of Senju power and Minato has trace of Uchiha power (or better Rikkudo's initial power). I cannot prove this but Naruto being connected to Rikkudo come from these two fact.
2. When it comes to that Jutsu Jiraya talk about, many people says it is Kyuubi, and I said it is a sealing Jutsu. However, after thinking it through lately, I asked did a new analysis. Naruto was already jinchuriki and people knew it, even the Akatsuki. So Kyuubi couldn't be the Jutsu. However, there are Justus that someone once used, and became the target of everyone: Sealing and Minato's FTG. So right now, I am thinking of what will be the stage of FTG that Minato would like Naruto to complete. Note that Minato wanted Naruto to stop Obito who outmatched Minato in space-time Jutsu. We have seen FTG level 1 and two from Minato. We have seen Naruto's body flicker being as fast as these two. Guys, imagine Naruto unlocking the real teleportation Minato was using with Kyuubi's power. Maybe he will be able to follow Obito in his dimension. I have always thought that for the sake of the SA, Naruto vs Juubi will happen in another dimension.
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That's because it's an asspull. Came out of nowhere. Nowhere have we seen Naruto change the Kyuubi's chakra, or anyone give anyone else chakra, other than Chiyo and Naruto. If that was possible, then Kakashi could have asked Naruto for chakra when he needed it, or Konan would have just said "Nagato, take my chakra so you don't die! I have enough!"
Where was Nagato mentioned or how does he come in here?
The bijuu had the power to give its chakra to jinchuuriki, there was nothing said about it giving power to someone else, jinchuuriki or not. The bijuu giving Naruto chakra makes no sense whatsoever, especially how he got in their world or mind or whatever. But I have seen a lot of people accept anything with Naruto, so whatever.
Yes, that same sentence in the same chapter that was out this week. It was never mentioned before. And the bijuu's ability to give chakra to host is different since the bijuu is inside its host.Quote:
Madara should put an end to this and use shira tensei and send everyone flying while in the next chapter, we could sed the lost senju clan members will show up too
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there are sites where it says kurama molded the chakra and what not, but managastreams translation is most of the the better translation and it fits better
Oro said this is Narutos chakra, that cloud ninja guy mistaken it for kuramas but corrected hisself and said its Narutos, and then Hinata
So give credit where credit is due to, Naruto actually did something impressive and modified his and kuramas chakras so that he could pass them onto his comrades
prob covered before, i don't get why kakashi didn't have 9tail chakra shape when he got the chakra, but the supposedly converted naruto chakra does give people 9tail shapes
Look at the trading method between the Biju and perfect host. the fox is able to convert Naruto's chakra to replenish itself. That can't work the opposite way because…? You bring up Chiyo so obviously we've seen it before right? Plus, like I said before and will apparently continue to say, the Biju have the ability, which was established in part one, and the fox said it would teach Naruto. If Naruto didn't know that ability extended to human's if taught by a biju, how would Kakashi or konan know?Quote:
Like I said, I was off-topic. Just brought up one of our old arguments. However, you said that I would disagree just for Naruto's sake. however that's not true. I just don't tend to look at all the negatives and I'm not so quick to call a lot of things an asspull.Quote:
Yes, they did. which still equates to them having the ability to give it away. When exactly was it said that they could not give it to someone else? You have no basis to the contrary for that. Nothing said they couldn't give it to other people, you just assumed they couldn't. The demons are separate parts of one being. So a shared inner consciousness is not all that far-fetched.Quote:
It just seems like you're calling it an asspull because you don't agree
So what? What actually said that they could not give it to other people if they themselves desire to. Once again, it's an assumption made from years of not being told the contrary.Quote:
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when did it convert Naruto's chakra? All we were told was that it just took Naruto's chakra as Naruto took its chakra, without converting. There was no converting involved until this chapter. Why does Naruto even need to convert chakra when Kyuubi's chakra was shown not to hurt Kakashi and Gai? And we've seen it once before, and when Chiyo was using a forbidden jutsu. There were other shinobi low on chakra, why didn't they ask for more? Kakashi could have asked Naruto to lend him chakra in Part I, or Killerbee could have given Naruto some of his Hachibi chakra.Quote:
No, it was established only Kyuubi had the ability to give Naruto chakra, and only because of the seal. It was never mentioned that the bijuu could lend chakra to anyone else. Nor did Kyuubi say it'd teach Naruto until this or a chapter or so ago.
Human to human chakra transfer, no bijuu required. Kakashi knew it could be possible because, once again, thanks to Naruto giving Chiyo chakra.
New stuff coming out of nowhere is an asspull, like Izanami or Naruto converting and giving everyone all the chakra they need. Converting part is at the very least, bull, considering Kyuubi has given chakra without needin to convert.Quote:
Why wouldn't they give it away when it was needed? That's like a doctor not giving a patient who can't breathe CPR when it could have made all the difference.Quote:
But why wasn't that established before? When Naruto fought Gaara? When the Naruto met Killerbee and even hung out with him for a while?
No, that's not why. I'm calling it an asspull because it came out of nowhere and makes no sense.
When giving chakra to someone was necessary and would have helped.Quote:
the problem is, things happened. there are many things that shouldn't have happened. Naruto creating pseudo Jinchurikki is just one of those. i absolutely don't like that, heck, i should say i absolutely hate that. and you are also aware that logic has left the manga from long ago; now trying to find logic in what's happening won't get us anywhere.
so, my suggestion is, ignore the logic about how Naruto was able to give chakra to all.
Yeah, it's pretty shitty. But it's not impossible after what we saw happen with Kakashi. It's annoying, but no more annoying than having to sit through this fight before we can get to Sasuke's stuff, so just do what I do: shrug and wait.
Think about that. The chakra that Naruto took from the fox was finite. When Naruto used the chakra that he already took, the fox took his for a time. If he didn't convert it he'd basically be giving Naruto back his own chakra. I've already explained why it was most likely done. a couple posts ago. I've also said that I'm not sure about the necessity of converting it, but I'll sum it up. Back in the 290s, sai differentiated between Naruto and the Fox's power. This chapter Shi did the same thing, but in Naruto's favor. that is most likely the main reason why the conversion was done, So that people couldn't just chalk it up to the fox. Kakashi could have asked for chakra in part one when the fox and Naruto we're nowhere near as close as they are now? Bee kinda has before. Just not in the same way Naruto's done it. Using Bee is not a great idea anyway due to the fact that he's not done a lot of things because the plot has called for it. Example: he doesn't call Gyuuki by his name. He spent four or so chapters immobile while Obito was being fought.Quote:
I don't really see how that makes a difference. The fox is one of the nine biju so... at the very least we can guess that the other biju can do the same. the fox said he would teach Naruto about seven chapters ago. the seal is what let there chakra's mix, it is not what permitted the fox to willingly give Naruto his chakra. Then you've got Bee and Nii Yugito.Quote:
Like characters have never not done something or not taken notice of something because of the plot. Madara and Obito are shining examples of this. Hell, we even have the opposite being true. Shikaku bringing up Obito's Time limit despite the fact that Konan died before passing the info on to anyone.Quote:
And it's not like it's easy peasy lemon squeezy either. The idea that it can be given away harmlessly seemed to be primarily a biju thing more than a human thing. Remember Humans can give their chakra to others but alot of the time it's either medics or genjutsu users. Example: Tsunade.
Thing about that though, it's not coming out of nowhere. Even if you don't want to accept it in part one, we have it shown seven chapters previous, and some chapters before that by the other demons. Even if I were to give you the conversion, the chakra dispersing is not an asspull because it didn't come out of nowhere. A true asspull would be when it was revealed that those three schmoes could use Hirashin, due to the fact that it was revealed the very chapter that they needed Mei to be with the other Kage.Quote:
Because of the whole, "we hate humanity" thing, maybe? Were the fox and Naruto cool when he fought Gaara? I already gave you an example with Bee, it was during the time that he helped with the fox. even if you don't except that, seven chapters previous to this one. And, some chapters previous to that with the other demons. So no, it's not coming out of nowhere. As far as the last sentence, see the first point in this paragraph.Quote:
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