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Unohana owns Kenpachi, Kenpachi learns about his Zanpakuto during the fight
Unohana dies battling Kenpachi to death while holding back
Kenpachi defeats Unohana fair and square, but doesn't kill her
Whoever wins, someone (Kyouraku or other) interferes before someone dies
Other (Mention in discussion)
Unohana saying the only scar I have throbs when you speak, suggested to me, that kenpachi and the scar were related-
Also kenpachi gesturing to his face and saying basically the same thing. that she was the one who slashed his face.
but I guess it is possible, they are referencing battle scars in general and that they both love the pain of the scars and the thumping heat of the battle. So the scars that they each respectively obtained in battle are throbbing in anticipation of a battle where they can go all out on each other.
I also got the sense that they might end up doing it at the end of the battle if it was a different type of manga lol
I didn't really get what happened to kyoraku? what was he reading? unohana's letter? or a book written by her,in which she introduced herself?
Also it's a given his dialogue is better than mine, he probably worked on it a couple hours, I wrote mine in a minute and that's not what I mean by writing.
But you should know at this point what I'm talking about, you know just as much as I do that neither of those is two is going to die, yet Kubo makes this enormous premise again.
He could've easilly made one where he builds up tension without letting the audience down in the end. Just say how gruesome Unohana is and live up to that by making Kenpachi come out of there with an arm missing, but at least stay true to what you write: Unohana is a monster and will seriously tear you a new one if you don't watch out.
Istead Kubo says this: One of the two will die. But in the end both of them will come out alive, which is not good writing if you ask me.
To be fair, one of them might really end up dying, but the chances for that are so slim you can't even see them.
Kenpachi doesn't have to be as strong as Unohana to be able to wound her in this type of battle, as both are bloodthirsty murderers who get turned on from touching blood, even if it's theirs. Assuming Kenpachi and Unohana actually fought and wounded each other (only one of the translations suggests this), then they completely threw away common sense and self preservation during their battle and kept fighting fueled by their killing intent until both ended up cutting each other. Both can be considered sword demons who specialize in close combat so.
Anyone else notice Shunsui's words? Looks closer and you can see he was reading. Talking aloud whilst reading. My bet is those are Yama's words. He's telling us the story of Unohana, but from his point of view of reading. He's reading Yama's instructions. Why do you think Yama told her to 'stay in that place' while the VR invaded? If he were to die, she would be the only one capable of training Zaraki. Shunsui couldn't do it, he's not a Kenpachi. You can put the dots together yourself and make the picture. My opinion was that these were Yama's instructions. Not even Yama himself could train Zaraki, but who could? Unohana! This chapter shows us why. She was the first Kenpachi, the strongest shinigami, the best swordsman, mastered every style, the most ruthless killer. What's not clear so far is why she changed, but like I theorized before, she changed her ways for a reason. Zaraki named Yachiru after her. Perhaps that's the only person who he couldn't beat. And perhaps it's the same for Unohana. They may have fought a long time ago in the past and the memories are just now being rekindled.
Unohana is likely at an entirely different level, and with all this new information about her it is highly likely that she stronger than all of the Gotei 13 members and even some of the Royal Guard.
what a shitty sentence the last one: one of them has to die? ahahah c'mon,all of us know that won't happen,and even if oda trolled us killing one of them,it wouldn't be really a jawdrop,but just a failure
If you come here to hate, at least get the damn name right.
Last edited by Schabrak; January 16, 2013 at 04:57 PM.
http://www.mangapanda.com/94-47594-1...apter-393.html not his bankai. They would've killed everything, all captains and probably Aizen, if not for Wonderweiss. and since every capaint was prepared to die http://www.mangapanda.com/94-47594-1...apter-393.html they might've gone all-out before that aswell.
But we'll see if those Bankai are really so increadibly dangerous to everyone around them once they'll be shown in the future. And we better get to see those things.
Unless your logic goes with "Unohana = Yhwach", there is still nothing that proves Kenpachi is inferior to her. For starters, we don't even know how strong she is because she hasn't fought not even once. They could be equals for all we know. The very reason Kyoraku wanted to train Kenpachi is because he's got the potential to be above everyone else. Remember the reaction of Central 46. Kyoraku trains him not because he deems him useless, but because he thinks he's one of the few that can hold a candle against the Vandenreich. You won't be seeing him training Komamura; doesn't mean Ken-chan is weaker than him and therefore needs some training.
Kenpachi has only lost against one person, and that person is the Big Bad of the series. Think about it.
This is like going to an One Piece Forum and saying that Shanks sucks because he got a scar from Blackbeard, who was humiliated by Magellan and yadda yadda. I keep mentioning that series because I so wish Bleach fans could be like OP fans (not talking about you precisely, mind you, even though I'm quoting you; you seem like a rational fella). I wish we could stop nitpicking at minor details for once.
Unohana's wound was made by Kenpachi. Not confirmed, yes, but it's all the same. I'm just saying it so people don't rage whe it inevitably happens. And yes, Kenpachi was able to fight on par with her a long time ago because he was hella strong a long time ago and hasn't grown anything ever since because he, as canon explicitly says, doesn't care about training.
Think about it.
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Perhaps the question is that those Bankai can perhaps affect thing on a different or larger scale than a mere attack can.
Kyoraku's Shikai is a game, it is likely his Bankai is similar but much more deadly.
As for Unohana, perhaps her Bankai releases her evil side and thus if used, she'd become evil again?
IMO, I simply think their Bankai's haven't been released due to the plot of the manga and Kubo wanting to keep some surprises for the end. We can't use logic in regard to why and why not the characters do what they do.
About Ennetsu Jigoku: yeah, I'm with you on this one. The only reason I can think of about why Yama didn't just go Zanka no Tachi on Aizen's ass is because it might have destroyed an area way larger than FKT (since it was about to destroy the whole Soul Society). I mean: Ennetsu Jigoku would have destroyed Aizen and half of the Gotei 13, while Zanka no Tachi would have ultimately killed thousands of innocent people. A little contrived, yes, but doesn't qualify as a plot hole.
Still doesn't explain why Kyoraku, or Urahara for that matter, didn't use their full power against Aizen. About this last one, however, we can't say anything until we SEE what these bankais do. Soifon had a good reason not to use her bankai against Yoruichi; this might very well be the same. Wait and see.