The thing is, author's seemed to have changed his opinions. At first it was believable Hiruzen was the strongest hokage since despite his old age, he was able to take on the previous two undead hokage and the would-have-been-his-successor all by himself while not being at his prime.
However, since the war arc we're in, Kishi has introduced several new powers for Hashirama that Hiruzen wouldn't have been able to deal with. He already had difficulty as it was, if Kishi incorporated Part II Hashirama into Part I against Hiruzen, he'd have been killed in one or two blows as far as we know.The power jump Hashirama received is quite significant, bolstering him from someone who was seen to be on par with Hiruzen to someone who could change the landscape easily.
Maybe Hiruzen's power will increase accordingly if he's introduced again, but until then I don't see how anyone can claim Hiruzen is better than Hashirama.
And don't always go by author's statement. Look at the work too and draw your own conclusions. The author doesn't always agree with what he says, doesn't provide full info, or isn't necessarily honest, preferring to use action. Kishi can have Orochimaru say Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama, but if Hashirama easily beats healthy Hiruzen, then that pretty much renders Orochimaru's words null. Same with the feats from Hiruzen and Hashirama up until now.
Note the after refers to the event with Hashirama and returning to the village. He was probably a normal ninja back then going assasin mode, Hashirama noticed him and then owned him completly.Quote:
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Its not wrong, Hakuteiken actualy had something to say about this:
He was not refering to Hashirama.Quote:
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Then in curent chapters the ninja are making a FACT out of the fact that NOBODY but Hashirama could stop Madara, that Hashirama's power and Madara's is not out of this world (even coming from Tsunade). They are showed as able to solo 5 Kages and so on...
I really wonder when you will stop trying to prove the world wrong. You know when everybody is telling you you are wrong you should man up and admit you are wrong.
Did he say he's the strongest Hokage ? No. Ignored.Quote:
When you stop spouting nonsense and bring me an actual statement from the author. That's when.Quote:
The words are HE WAS SAID TO BE and not HE WAS. Can you read? Do you know what words mean?
If he is the only one who can stop him YES. Sarutobi CAN'T so Hashirama is stronger. Again words comprehension. Then he was FLAT OUT SHOWED to be.Quote:
Its been presented for you over and over from Dan, Madara, Tsunade and a few other.. You just close you eyes and ignore the multiple ocasions when it has showed. That is manga FACT from the MANGA.Quote:
Winning and being stronger than someone is different in case you can't tell. Who's to say Dan didn't mean that Madara has something only Hashirama can counter ? That's why i asked for a direct proof that he is stronger. And you bring me the the case with Madara and Hashirama. But still doesn't equal a direct statement that he is the strongest Hokage.Quote:
He was asumed to be. Do you know what an ASUMTION is? He was asumed by people who DID NOT know Madara's or Hashirama's true power, that is FACT from curent chapters. Not even TSUNADE knew of Hashirama's power for God's sake.Quote:
You seriously need a dictionary to look up words. Asumtions are not FACTS. Rumors and hearsay are NOT facts. Kishi did NOT state anything of what you claim.
Direct proof? I can show you wood element owning 5 Kages. What is that if not evidence lol. You got evidence that Sarutobi can solo 5 Kages? Please provide it. All the feats, statemants from the manga show Hashirama as the most powerfull Hokage. Even Minato has better showings then Sarutobi. Sarutobi with an ARMY behind him could only hope for Minato to get there to save his arse.Quote:
So i have Hashirama's power to be above 5 Kages put togeder. What do you have from Sarutobi that would put him on that level of power?
Also Madara would just step on Sarutobi like a the bug he is.
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Like you said hashirama was protecting his people during most battles and you can't fight all out when you have to babysit somebody. The one time we know that they did go all out with one another was at VOTE and that was essentially one on one(presumably) and Hashirama had an entire Village and future of the ninja war to protect aka no more mr.nice guy.
No. It's a feat. Have you seen Sarutobi in his prime ?Quote:
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Honestly, the manga already shown us the proof that hashirama is more stronger than madara. So making up things just like stated by someone (it's not you, really) that the reason why hashirama won against madara is because of mito.
Hashirama won against madara because he's more better and stronger than madara.
Itachi what? He was a pacifist so? What does that had to do with life and death situations? He 1shoot Orochimaru and he did not even had a second though. The fact that people wanted peace and are pacifists does not mean they would not do there duty as ninja and leaders of the clan. They had missions to complete.
Hashirama did not had the posibility of going "wasn't just "fuck it, we'll get 'em next time" considering he had missions to complete. The 2 sides where fighting and losing a LOT OF MEN. That is why even the Uchiha decided for the truce and team up. Yes if Uchiha pulled back he probably when with the "screw it" but thing is that would be only after it was all over (the mission or whatever). They eneded up losing a lot of men. Hashirama would not go easy considering he was losing men.
Just because he needed to protect his men does not mean he was not attacking Madara with all he had. They where probably attacking 1 another and the rest of the fodders with them attacked 1 another.
It is a rumor(as i keep telling your for 10 pages), what people generaly belive. ITS not a fact. Yes you do need a dictionary...
1. To think carefully about.
2. To think or deem to be; regard as. See Usage Note at as1.
3. To form an opinion about; judge: considers waste to be criminal.
4. To take into account; bear in mind: Her success is not surprising if you consider her excellent training.
5. To show consideration for: failed to consider the feelings of others.
6. To esteem; regard.
7. To look at thoughtfully.
Its Irukas and those people oppinions about Sarutobi's and Hashirama's power. Its not fact(look at nr.3 is the most obvious). And the word that applies to the context of said sentence is RUMOR. Its hearsay...