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Meh I think that's just a mess up by kishi, madara said whoever sees this sussano dies, but he fault hashirama many times but he never killed him, but then that's saying he never used perfect sussano against him. But then that doesn't make sense because he said the damage won't be as great since hashirama is not there. So I'm just going to go with hashirama is the only one that wasn't killed by it, also the 5 kage.
Besides, I'm not yet convinced he cannot use the Kyuubi and the Susano'o simultaneously. As draining as this could be, if only with Kyuubi he pushed Hashirama this much, he would win the battle if used them both even for a shorter time span.
Well, Kyuubi is a hell strong beast. So if the first is miserable, that makes sense?. Since it;s taller than a moutain him self and his chakra is magnificient
Not sure if I got your point here, but you play as much as trump cards as you have if you are up against your lifetime rival. I can't come up with an explanation to Madara's own words, though.
I know, but it doesn't mean Danzou's right. It's his opinion, just as HIruzen claiming he's the best out of the group is his opinion. Hell, HIruzen could have been the second best in the group but still more likely to survive. This isn't DBZ, where just because Tobirama > Hiruzen, Hiruzen would lose to the people chasing the group.
The only ones to ever subdue Kyuubi were Hashirama and Madara. Mito just sealed it inside her while Kushina used her chains. Even Naruto needed Bee and Kushina to help him steal Kyuubi's chakra.
While people may say he was helpless against the bijuu bomb and needed Minato to save Konoha's ass, let's not forget Minato had the tool to deal with that - Hiraishin.
Why not? Danzou could have thought it was too early, Hiruzen was too young, there could have been better candidates, etc. There could be plenty of reasons why he was shocked.
I'm just saying, Hiruzen's opinion of himself could mean a lot here because he isn't arrogant, and no one bothered to correct him or banter back.
As easily as The 1st power was retconned so can Hiruzen's and it's not all that hard to imagine.
Giving him Fire jutsu similar to Madara and Earth jutsu similar to Onoki and his son are not out of the question. Add in high level seals and mass use of Kage Bushin and he could still be a force comparable to Hashirama, who uses WOOD jutsu. As powerful as Moukton has shown to be, it is still wood, remember that.
IMO, the recton won't probably ever happen, but you given what we know about him if it did happen I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he was the strongest Hokage we had ever seen.
Kisame did have Samehade, which granted him chakra, healed him, and gave his a transformation. That and a Bijuu's level of chakra. Actually, Gai would also also count as someone powerful with just regular techniques.
it took explosives no problem. also, if you consider the fact that primarily madara is a fire Jutsu user, then the whole "it's still wood" claim holds a lot less weight.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; January 05, 2013 at 05:26 PM.
Who has lightning? Minato's element is unknown.