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I know seals are not a special ability. I was enforcing what you said lol.
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Then Sarutobi himself states HE stoped it. That is it. Cler indication of this. Sarutobi knew the jutsu and he knew Minato is in the DG but he states HE stoped it.
JMan stated at that point and it was fact at that point. Later it was retconed with Minato stating about just sealing some chakra away, as much as he could. 2 times is Minato addresing what he sealed and both time its just CHAKRA. Nothing about yin/yang.
My bad, you are right. Hidan and Kakuzu didn't have a Kekkai Genkai, indeed, but they were like immortal and had Hidan's hax technique to prevail. Can't agree with Yondaime, though.
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You can call it whatever you whant. Point is Minato with nothing but his seals could save the village and stop Kurama's rampage. Sarutobi with an army behind him could only delay it, push it out of the village after Minato broke the link with Tobi and gave them an opening and in the end Sarutobi's dudes hoping for Minato to save there buts.
If Hiruzen was able to get that close to Kyuubi thanks to Kushina restraining it, he would be able to seal it, too.
See the databooks entry for the seals Yondaime used to seal ( ) Kyuubi
Its obvious that, if he wanted to, he could seal the full Kyuubi inside Naruto without killing himself in the process.
Mind you, you need incredibly haxed abilities to deal with Bijuus, as you said yourself, but they don't need to be auto-win abilities like Mokuton and Sharingan imo
The Raikage definitely didn't have auto-win abilities, so, I agree, but without that assistance, the only other way to cope with them is to have a crazily strong body or be fuuinjutsu master or something.
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Ah, got the point now. Naruto's body wouldn't be able to handle the full power of the Bijuu.
Then, this makes Shiki Fuujin inferior to Hakke Fuuin in that sense.
Hakke Fuuin is temporary, Shiki Fuuin is eternal.
On the Bijuu fight, yes, basically you either outlast it or seal it, let's not forget they are massive chakra beasts with incredible powers, being able to shoot lasers and shit
Just to understand how great they are, do remember that 9 S rank ninjas needed 3 days straight to seal even the weakest Bijuus
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Has he even tried, though? I think we saw only one or two instances, the rest were focused on Izanagi and one or two jutsu out of that.Quote:
Physically stronger would have allowed them to last longer if hit or something, I guess. Weren't they taken down, but still able to transform?Quote:
It did steal some chakra from Naruto though, as Naruto himself commented. And we don't know if it was back to normal, maybe it got enough chakra to get back to looking like normal, like Nagato did to Bee.
Kyuubi could be an exception to that rule though. *shrugs*
The Hachibi implied otherwise, and at the very least, the Kyuubi surely didn't take that much. Nagato absorbed eight tails worth of chakra, so that's not all that good an example. Besides, the Kyuubi's recent action have it doing likewise without having to take any chakra from Naruto. Don't really see why the Kyuubi could be an exception.
What other seal did he use, then? Can't be shiki fuuin based on what we've seen and know.
Which further shows how powerful the cells are. It apparently gives some kind of boost as well if it's able to extend Izanagi's time somehow.
Kyuubi could have taken some of Naruto's life force as well to get his own appearance back. I dunno, it could have taken enough and used it to get into Sage Mode to recover. Kyuubi has never tried to get into Sage Mode before, so it's already pretty weird. And, the Juubi's automatically in Sage Mode, or has natural energy flowin through it and able to utilize it. Shouldn't the same be of the bijuu, who were born from the Juubi's chakra?
He did. We're done.Quote:
Yes actually I can have it both way (If I got what you mean by both ways). I showed him stopping, you can take it however you want, that's fine. But, there is no arguing that Darui said he gave it up intentionally, he's A's right hand man and a shinobi smart enough to tell that he lost it intentionally. Not to mention it was stated that he "Took extreme measures", further showing he's done that intentionally. We're done man, We're DONE.Quote:
Indeed, he does seem to imply that Sasuke used Tsukyomi. But then again he said it's weak, so this helps my point that it's a pitiful Genjutsu (at least in Sasuke's hand).Quote:
You're assuming that.Quote:
It's true I said it has nothing to do with the discussion, you reminded me, I got the point. What's hard to understand about that ?
No. You're not arguing that he makes mistake, your argument is: Why did Hashirama do this ? why didn't he do that ? what's the point of using this ?Quote:
Which is not about how Kishimoto makes mistakes. You basically wants him to write the manga the way YOU like it.
I skipped it because you also tried to avoid my proof with sarcasm, I'm the one who mimicked you. That aside notice the bold part, wasn't Orochimaru also planning to learn every Jutsu ? And that's after the whole Nature\Bloodline stuff. How would you explain that ? Perhaps what was meant by Sarutobi being able to use every technique is different from what we think. But that doesn't matter because he was said to be able to use every technique in Konoha so...yeah. And for what it's worth Amaterasu is also considered Doujutsu, so it's not an ordinary Jutsu. And since you can't prove what Orochimaru said is wrong, it's done.Quote:
Puny or not, he's much smaller. Done. Stop with the useless replies already.Quote:
Yin-Yang release is different from Yin and Yang separately. Yin release makes use of spiritual power such as Genjutsu. Yang release makes use of physical powers. We don't know for a fact that the Bijuu blast comes from Yin or Yang let alone Yin-Yang release. So avoid saying nonsense. That's why I said you change proofs to your liking. You take something unexplained or weird and make it seem like an established fact. I'll just leave what Uchiha_Blood posted with a little extra :Quote:
Here ,here ,here and here
Be it Yin-Yang case or not. The Kyuubi only has half it's power and that's that. Done.
Good point. Take it to Kishi.Quote:
Nothing makes sense to you apparently. Still, we have no way to make sure what he meant, he said don't judge by tails, but didn't argue that Kurama is the strongest.Quote:
That's not drawing it's life force. Nagato ended up like that because he exhausted his chakra. Chakra is most likely their life force. As far as we know, he just had some chakra left sense Naruto said "you still have that much power".
Then refrain from saying I'm trying making things up.Quote:
You're idea of one-shotted is, fighting for who knows how many chapters and getting his head sewed again after it was cut ? And same thing with the second case only instead of getting his head sewed he needed a hostage ? I don't think you understand what one-shot means.Quote:
I never tried to ignore that, but okay. Show me where it was said that him swinging his arm and flooring Sasuke is his strongest attack. But that's doesn't matter, because he broke through to him. And Tsunade who has a stronger attack couldn't break Madara's. We're done.Quote:
Him saying he prefers to erase their emotions, implies something. And no ! For the last time no ! You're are assuming that based on how you saw "from all the Edo summons". Just read what he said in the same page upper-left panel. "People become torn and confused" and goes on. I just said psychological warfare, for short.Quote:
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Question, going by the premise of Sasuke having Tsukyomi but with no ability to control time.
Does this also mean Sasuke has Kotoamatsukami but with no ability to control a man the way Kotoamatsukami can?
Can Kotoamatsukami be Kotoamatsukami when it is missing the very thing that makes said genjutsu unique? If it can't then how can Tsukyomi be Tsukyomi if Tsukyomi is a genjutsu with the ability to control time?
Even Sasuke when using MS genjutsu just stated GENJUTSU.
Take note that Itachi states Tsukyomi.
What Danzo compared in those panels is Sasuke's ability to cast genjutsu with his MS eye to that of Itachi's. I really don't see how from this you can get the fact that he also has Tsukyomi. Its like stating FRS is rasengan but with no wind chakra. Or Amaterasu is Katon but only more powerfull and Kakashi himself can do it.
All i see is Tobi stating how Sasuke's ability in genjutsu(with MS) can't even be compared to Itachi's Tsukyomi .
I am a firm beliver that Sasuke does not have Tsukyomi, in its place he has Amaterasu manipulation. If you noticed Sasuke is using 1 eye to cast it and nother to manipulated it. This is a indication that Sasuke has Amaterasu manipulation in "Tsukyomi's" eye.
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