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Haha I told a friend that it looked like Byoudouin was in a Makinofuji Gakuin uniform.
It basically explains as to why Makinofuji is such a renowned school. I mean they had Byoudouin lol.
Whereas now they have perhaps the weakest MSer in the camp as their Captain.
So Byoudouin is a Kansai boy. Which I expected since his name Byouduoin is a famous temple in Kyoto, Kansai.
His name is like... Phoenix Temple... That's just the coolest.
Kansai are pretty much leading things right now for the nation.
Byoudouin Houou and Tanegashima both being from there.
Makes you wonder why Konomi decided to make Kansai players suck eggs at MS level excluding Tooyama and Shiraishi.
This would explain how Makinofuji got 2nd place the year before. They probably had cardboard cutouts of Byodouin and just scare the opposing team into forfeiting. This won't work this year because anyone who knows about Byodouin would've graduated already this year.
It's not surprising that there aren't that much HS 1st year being present. Think about it, Echizen got all kind of crap being a 1st year trying to be on Seigaku team when he first start out. It's probably the same when most MS enter HS.
Byoudouin may be around Yukimura/Sanada/Tezuka level when he finish MS. Then he enter HS. And because of the "transformation" that 1st to 2nd year seem to have, he got a lot stronger during that time period.
It makes sense to me that way. The gap between average 1st year to 2nd year to 3rd year seem rather huge for MS. It might be the same for HS too.
Note that I say average. Echizen/Kintarou are hardly average, they are pretty much outliers.
When Byodouin and Oni played they might as well be playing in another dimension (nobody can even see them play) and in terms of craziness that's actually above TnK (you can see a player in TnK most of the time). While we don't know their ranking in the U17 camp in H1/H2 years presumably the point isn't that there are plenty of other freaks that can shatter walls at the U17 camp. Tokugawa had training from overseas and was nowhere as good as Byoduoin in H2 and that seems to be limit you could get to if you didn't know the secrets to training like Oni and Byoduoin did. The stuff these two characters know at H1 exceeds the knowledge of the U17 camp, including the coaches, so I don't see people like Yukimura hitting their level simply because he's not as crazy to put his life on the line in a tennis game to discover the secrets to wield power from another dimension.
Even if their talent level ends up being similar to top POT characters, I sure don't see any POT characters ever figuring out how to do the X-ball or the wall-shattering shot on their own like Oni and Byodouin did. They're literally the pioneers who figured out methods to get stronger that are a generation ahead of everyone else. No wonder Byodouin laughs at the coaches of the U17 camp. He probably taught them everything they currently know!
However, even if in their first year of HS they're the beasts of the camp, you should remember that in NPOT, the HS are stepping stones for the MS, even if they can use shots that break walls, that make you bleed like hell, the best MS (Echizen, Kintarou, Sanada...) are constantly evolving, if Oni releases his Kishin form against Kin-chan, he'll struggle and put his life on that match like Byodouin did and overcome it somehow, and the most plausible thing is an aura, because ten ball against that form is just useless.
I firmly believe that Oni would kill Tokugawa and Irie, and if Tokugawa thinks there's any chance to beat Byodouin right now he's just an idiot.
Chitose got his skill in Kyushu so pull him out.
Kenya's fast? So what. He's just shown he is a tier above Kamio. Which is somewhere towards the bottom of Mid tier.
I mean people towards the Top end of the tier, sorry I wasn't clear.
Nobody from Kansai as MSers are from the Top end of the tier besides Tooyama and Shiraishi.
Whilst Kanto have Yukimura Sanada, Niou, Yanagi, Tezuka, Ryoma, Fuji, Inui, Akutsu, Atobe.
I mean, Konjiki/Hitouji lost to Momoshiro/Kaidoh at Nationals so they aren't that good.
All we know from Zaizen is that he must be Mid tier at the minimum.
This is because the person Osamu dropped for Chitose was Kenya, with Kenya saying "only the strong have the right to be on that court" implying Zaizen > Kenya.
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Also, with Byoudouin and Oni arriving and shitting on the camp as HS 1st years, it means that age means nothing at HS level lol.
Its pretty much confirmed they were the strongest since back then.
Secondly, for the reason that in the U-17 Camp there is a Court system where no matter your age if you get your ass-kicked you get demoted, it really does mean only the strong enter higher domains in the Court ranking.
Therefore, the absence of HS 2nd Years mean they probably suck. The absence of HS 1st Years mean they have made zero improvement from when they were MS 3rd Years.
They have called upon 50 MSers. :'( No Saeki
There is a reason that they either haven't been called upon or are in the lower sections of the camp.
Not many High School 2nd Years in the series. We can't even count Tokugawa who went Middle School abroad.
I mean, the most talented years in this camp without question are MS 3rd Year and HS 3rd Year.
Last edited by Airgrimes; February 03, 2013 at 08:17 AM.
I'm talking about genuine Kansai Players.
Tiers don't exist in canon? That's stupid.
You mean to tell me that Kenya and Atobe are on the same level?
I had no idea you could talk such crap dude. They are on different levels. Tiers clearly exist.
Kenya even said only the strong can stand on that court. Showing there is some kind of level system in the story.
Tezuka lost to Sanada and Tezuka is a main character. You're talking crap man.
Seigaku players have lost on many occasions. Fuji lost in that very encounter and you want to say "because they are main characters".
Momoshiro/Kaidoh in that Nationals!Semifinals weren't even that good. Momo had forgotten his Insight for reasons unknown to us.
Bottom line you take out Tooyama and Shiraishi, and Kansai sucks eggs even more.
Whereas in Kanto you take out Ryoma and Tezuka, and Kanto still kick ass.
Kansai also only have on good school. Kansai No.2 rep Makinofuji are appalling this year.
Tokugawa is obviously supposed to be the stronger than Oni, though he sure hasn't done anything to live up to that name. The most impressive feat of strength we've seen him done supporting himself on three fingers but that just can't compare to what Oni did. It's actually pretty hilarious how the 3rd court guys, especially Irie, is always telling the MSer to beat Oni first. Shouldn't they be afraid of Oni rearranging their face like what he did to Byodouin 2 years ago? I guess Irie can read people's mind so he knows Oni is too nice to do that, but if I was Irie I'd be forfeiting my match if I see Oni is playing. Oni and Byodouin at H1 had an unknown power level. Presumably this means it's higher than 25 (5 in all stats would clearly be measureable by the system in U17), while Irie only has 22 at H3, and that's before either of them powered up from the match itself.
I'd say the most impressive thing Tokugawa has done is tank a shot that destroyed a wall without getting injured in any way. As for Irie, Oni's giant shot was only an illusion, and Irie's mental strength is incredible, so he might not be affected by it. Furthermore he has the highest speed we've seen so far, so a fast shot shouldn't exactly be a problem for him either.
As for the data, if it was their first match in the camp and/or they didn't have to go all-out before (which they clearly didn't have to do against anyone else), it might literally be that they just don't have any recorded stats at that point. I doubt that it means they had 8+ in all stats (since clearly they can measure until 7 at least), especially when neither of them was at 10 at once level at the start of the match.