Ditto. I'm ready for several pages of not Naruto. SEVERAL. The longer the flashbacks the better. I don't care if it takes months before Sasuke gets into another fight. I just want to know everything there is to know about the coup, aswell as what Sasuke learns during his search for answers.Originally Posted by mattaildivino
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Thank you guys for these reminders. This bring back the issue of Orochimaru's arm. When Minato sealed himself and Kushina in Naruto, he place a portion of his chakra along with all their consciousness. While Kushina died naturally, Minato was sealed with Kurama. So why was Minato whole inside Naruto while Orochimaru is handicaped in his arms?
I mean there no consciousness without soul. If Orochimaru's arms are lame because of reaper seal on them, then Minato should not be in Naruto after he was sealed with half Kurama. However, if Orochimaru is playing, then the whole thing make sense.
Sasuke meeting his mom and dad makes no sense considering they're dead. I doubt he'll listen to them 100%, considering that they could be biased. The one who knows everything being someone else or from another clan makes more sense as they're less likely to be biased and possibly alive. Hell, it could be Hiruzen's dad for all we know, considering his name was dropped when the Night of the Kyuubi flashback was going on. Or it could be an Uzumaki as well, considering their lifespan. Nothing was said that Uzumaki and Uchiha had problems with each other, just Uchiha and Senju likely because the ones who hired them made them clash into each other.
The Uzumaki are known for longevity, and since Oonoki was able to survive for as long as he did, there could be some Uzumaki who were around since Madara's time or even before that.
Further explanation on chakra distribution and links
I am just throwing an hypothesis here. Check the spoiler, and read to give your thoughts.
Although, this interpretaion of mine is not welcome since I have it, I need to use it before I can give new intel.
1. On this image, we have two separate black areas, separted with a white area that represent the air medium between naruto and his shinobi alliance ninja.
2. In the left black area, we have Naruto's body and his inner person in terms of chakra. The big blob of chakra in which it is written "Naruto" represent Naruto's chakra source ( and perahaps Naruto's mind).
3. In the left black area, we have the shinobi alliance ninja to whom Naruto gave his chakra. Each square box on which it is written "shinobi" represent the chakra connection point of a particular shinobi. Each white box in which it is written 'Naruto" represent a chakra connection that Naruto makes when he touches the shinobi and seal part of his chakra in him.
4. The gears there represent the fact that Naruto establishes a link with each shinobi he touches.
5. The chakra rays show that there is a link/connection between Naruto's chakra inside him and his chakra inside the shinobi. This illustrates Kurama's statement :"the number of link that Naruto can sustain is amazing". This means that Naruto does not merely give them chakra, but he is still connected to the chakra he gave them.
Now, how this is important. I am only interested in one think here - which is the connection with Reaper dead seal and how Minato was able to talk to Naruto when the seal of Kyuubi broke.
According to the same page above, the seal Minato used is the same as the seal that naruto used. This mean Naruto can speak within each shinobi from inside because Minato was able to speak to Naruto due to the same seal.
Now, notice that Minato was within the reaper dead seal, and he was still doing things inside Naruto. Why?
Using the fact that Naruto surpassed Minato due to the number of link he can sustain, this mean that actually, Minato was talking to Naruto from the Reaper's dimension, and Kushina was talking to wherever she was through chakra communication.
This interpretation gives some sense into why Orochimaru arms would be lame while Minato was healthy inside Naruto despite both of them being sealed by reaper.
Minato in Naruto was a mere projection while Orochimaru's technique actually sealed the real soul. Otherwise, Minato should have died inside Naruto the minute he was sealed by the Reaper.
Kurama said Madara was the first to enslave him? I missed that. And Itachi didn't say Madara "discovered" the MS, he said Madara was the first to "awaken" it. Which is different. Madara might have been the first with enough skill to actually achieve it. Again Fugaku knew about it but didn't had it. Sasuke also found out about it as a child but if not for Itachi he migh have never had it. As for the rest of the clan, nothing garantees that other Uchiha always throughout their history didn't atempt to achieve the MS, but most couldn't, it's a rare and difficult ability to get (even if recently it's look basic hehe). Even after Madara only very few did it. That we know only 4, 6 if we count Kakashi and Izuna.
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PS: As you can see here, Kumogakure tried to get the Kyuubi before Madara:
And nothing garantees that even them were the first. The truth is in Kurama's flashback with Madara, he was pretty sure of what he was doing, it didn't seem like he was "experimenting" to find out if the MS could control the fox. He simply already knew, and said Kurama was destined to be a slave to powerful eyes. He also talked about Kurama being merely a part of one being: the 10 tails. Which means Madara knew it all already. Which means he also readed the Tablet, but didn't write it himself, here:
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Remember people. Sasuke "ressed" Oro's body that Kabuto absorbed. What remains unexplained is how it has a soul and Oro's memories. Which I think is what you were getting at about the arm thing. If Oro's soul was sealed how is this version capable of moving at all?
Don't worry, Granny Cat, I am sure they will reimburse you the next time they are in your neck of the woods.
Speaking of beating one's head against the wall, I'm curious about the time frame. The war is in its second day/night, correct? This is quite a long arc, and I am having some trouble envisioning some of the lengths of time between various events in part II. For instance, how long has it been since the Kage summit and Danzou dying? It seems like it should only be a few days, but I'm not sure. How long was Orochimaru dead, anyway? How much time between Konoha getting leveled and the start of the war? I thought it was a fairly brief period, but Konoha's already got a lot of rebuilding done, even without Yamato. (Poor old Yamato...)
It seems like everything in part II could have happened in as little as a few months, but I don't know. It really seems much longer to me. Perhaps even as long as a year? What do you guys think?
Strangely, Minato has his whole perfectly projection while the fact that Orochimaru is still lame mean his representation in Anko was also lame. Thus there has to be an explanation.
Maybe the best explanation is, minato is the one who created the shinigami. So he's somehow a VIP to shinigami's stomach.
Juubi is free to rampage, the connection is lost, and the two Uchihas are finally facing the Alliance by themselves. Pretty sure there is no best occasion for Kishi to show Sasuke, so he can show up in the final fight
So between the start of part 2 and the Kakuzu & Hidan final fight, likely only 3 weeks passed.
Another week or two of Sasuke traveling with Taka and then Itachi vs Sasuke and Jiraiya vs Pein, 2 weeks of Naruto training for SM, Pein happens.
Unknown amount of time ( no longer than a month imo, considering that Tsunade was in a coma ), then Kage Summit and the Armadillo arc.
After this Ninja War.
By being extremely loose with the time, half a year seems about right