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It's not nonsense - once again Kakashi basically explained it when he was fighting Kakuzu - one needs elemental affinity to do strong element jutsu. Shikamaru even reinforced that statement when he asked for a basic doton that anyone could do. It'd be retcon or nonsense if they were able to do high level doton.
For example, Shikamaru can't use chidori because he lacks the raiton element as far as we know. However, Nagato can master chidori because Rinnegan allows him to master all elements.
These are link to some pages of our discussion, and you will see that I have always been consistent in my logic.
Go through these link to see how inconsistent you guys were in your arguments.
Open your eyes and accept that you were wrong. As I used to say, the number of people who say the same thing does not prove that the thing they are saying is true. It simply means they have the same understanding of the facts.
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Shikamaru didn't say the same words as me, but he meant the same thing as me. According to the databook ninja have affinities at birth that are predominately the same as whatever region their lineage originated from. Iwa ninja use rock because they're from rock country. Konoha ninja use fire because they're from fire country.Originally Posted by xXan
If you've ever heard of The Last Airbender, it's literally the exact same concept. You never wonder why ninja from Konoha use fire, and ninja from Kiri use water? Its not cause the Kage is spying on them at every single moment inorder to make sure they don't break protocol?
"HEY! Who's the dick that I caught using water jutsu!?! We're from Kumogakure!!! We don't use pussy elements like that over here!!!"
So, when Shikamaru says he wants a jutsu that ninja not from Iwa are able to use, he's literally saying he wants a jutsu that people don't have to be earth-affinite inorder to use.
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The truth is that many of the elements can be present in the chakra of one person at the same time. By learning the appropriate Jutsu, this shinobi can perform what was referred to as nature transformation of an element to extract either the wind, earth, etc.
I think it needs to be noted that any person can manipulate all 5 element to some extent with training, but only a person with the Rinnegan can create all 5 elements. Most ninja can create only 1 element, some can create 2. Those with a Kekkai Genkai can create 2 basic elements, and also create a new fusion of elements. Mei, Muu, and Oonki can create 3 elements, with Mei creating two seperate Kekkai Genkai fusions, and Oonoki and Muu can create a third Kekkai Tota Fusion.
We have seen that people have primary affinities, which is their primary element, the one they have the most control over.
Examples: Kakashi and Sasuke with lightning.
Now, skilled shinobi like them also seem to have secondary affinities as well.
Kakashi has water
Sasuke has fire
Both of them can create these elements from nothing, but neither can use them as good as their primary element.
Kakashi, then, can also use earth jutsu. But Kakashi cannot create earth, like say some of the Rock Nin who can spit it from their mouth.
What everyone did in the last chapter is simply what Kakashi does with earth jutsu, use their chakra to manipulate it. Granted, I am making an assumption but it seems to be a rather good one.
Kakashi was amazed by what Kakazu did because he was creating multiple elements from nothing. That what was so impressive, not that he used the elements, but he created them for scratch and created damn powerful jutsu with what he created.