Well why put effort into surviving/dodging if you'll just regenerate, I don't think we can really assume he was beaten fairly by anyone because of the fact edo-tensei will naturally cause someone to fight differently purely because the threat of death is not there.
It's true that Lee with Kyuubi cloak etc. definitely just "killed" him but it's one of those things, if Madara had been mortal I'd bet that kick wouldn't have done nearly as much, I'm not saying it wouldn't damage him, I'm saying I don't believe he'd let it even come close to killing him.
So being immortal and receiving "fatal" blows that you'll just regenerate from I don't believe you can say he was outclassed/beaten/killed/defeated.
If we were seeing him constantly being outclassed and kept being killed and killed over and over then yeah I'd agree, but no he clearly doesn't give a shit.
And everything that happens to Madara, and the Alliance, is exactly as the author intended.
Actually, when he first came out of the coffin, Madara has already stated that Edo Tensei was meant to be used in a suicidal manner, i.e. attacking everyone with total disregard for defense due to the fact that you are essentially immortal.
The only time when Madara put up a proper defense is when the Kages tried to seal him, which is when he whipped out perfect Susanoo.
The rest of the alliance's attacks, regardless of how flashy they are, are not worthy of warranting an action from Madara, because, they simply will not work on him.
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Yeah, and yet we still haven't seen him doing anything suicidal (other than meteor and it does explain why he did it...large AoE damage+far range), because he knows if he gets hit he is susceptible to sealing. So naturally, defense would come first right? Yeah, and it did actually, hence the use of Rinnegan, Susano, and Warfan, but for some ridiculous reason that gets thrown outta the window in this fight particularly, just to give Alliance a chance.
Madara's stupidity is balanced by Alliance's stupidity tho as I have explained earlier.
why should he put the effort into dodging if he knows that he will just regenerate?
How many jutsu did he use??? where sasuno?? where perfect sasuno? where is his fire jutsu??? Simply put the guy is not trying.
Also, you do realize that madara is the only one in this damn fight who as not gone all out yet. He was trying more against the kages, my guest is that he won't do anything until sasuke arrives.
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Well, yeah, this is true. But anytime you see posters complain about something called "plot no jutsu" or "plotkai", it's basically us explaining annoyance at a character surviving a seemingly insurmountable situation just because of Kishimoto's divine intervention. Almost as if his story got away from him and he had to bring something out of left field to get things back on track.Originally Posted by Jessie
I was replying with this mentality in mind. Some people would claim that he isn't as dangerous as he's made out to be because his immortality is what's preventing him from losing. As if he couldn't have simply gone all-out from the get go and whiped out the characters he was actually facing. In my opinion, the characters he's facing are the ones that have been allowed a free pass from Kishimoto, as a Madara who wants you dead is far more scary than a Madara that can't die.
Madara died when he severed his link to the Gedo Statue after teaching his techniques to Obito.
That and having the whole series revolving around the RS are two entirely different things. And he said he wanted to learn his secret, that's it. The Rinnegan is not his secret. Unless you have a page or a source saying they sought the Rinnegan, then it's an assumption, and with that I win.Quote:
They could just take his eyes.
I misunderstood. I thought you meant the first source of all my informations is the Wiki. But if it's only about that term, then yes, I did take it from the Wiki.Quote:
They weren't proven as mistakes, and even if they were, are we to make everything in the Databook, a lie ? It was not said that it's nothing but Chakra, and nothing about it being visible is an impressive feat. I didn't argue that it does not burn as hot as the sun, simply said it takes too long to burn. When did I say chakra flow is an individual skill ?Quote:
I think you need it much more than me...
And why did you bring me what was said about Kimimaro ? Are you hoping to win by giving me an answer that has nothing to do with the question ? And once again, nothing about ASUMA'S use of weapon was stated. Or if using a weapon is Taijutsu for that matter. I don't even understand why I bother, when Taijutsu itself means "Body technique" and when it's in real life Ninja means, empty handed combat style.
But they are still chakra elements, even if they are a combination of others. And if Yin and Yang is not a chakra element, then what is it exactly ? We have the second Mizukage clearly saying he is a Yin element user, so it's an element, be them together or not.Quote:
Now I'm sure you have no idea what's the difference between Proofs and opinions. And again, it simply says how desperate you're. There is a actually several statements about that, you're just ignoring them. And again, you're lying. You never gave a statement of him regenerating his power.Quote:
Ah...no. I didn't. And it was not built upon that. You need to check back before spouting nonsense.Quote:
Okay, I win. You don't have a proof to back up your claim. I do.Quote:
It's not of even size. Tap or not, doesn't change what the toad says. Nothing about what comes out ? Do you know what "leak" mean ? If you do, then you're more desperate than I thought.Quote:
Yes, but he's out. Sure not complete, but the fact that he's out without the QB and Hachibi just destroys your point. And your answer is beyond random, he said he can't seal the Kyuubi completely, what does that have to do with the original question ? Why would he kill himself to seal something that would regenerate in a while ?Quote:
Yes, but if Susanoo draws upon life force, he should have suffered the same thing. And we don't know what they need to draw upon their life force in order to fuel an attack.Quote:
Not being at their best and not showing everything are two different things, Mr."You need better reading comprehension".Quote:
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Am I the only one who noticed there is no word of Hiruzen in the thread anymore?
To clarify a few things..
*Are Kekkei Genkai also considered chakra natures?
No. Yamato states that there is no such thing as a wood element. They are not considered chakra natures by definition.
*Why didn't Orochimaru go after Nagato/Pain who already had the Rinnegan?
It's simple. He can't defeat a Rinnegan user on his own. By taking over a Sharingan user, he can develop his own Rinnegan. The reason why he bothered to go after Itachi/Sasuke was because they were kids who he assumed he could defeat with relative ease. If he knew Nagato possessed the Rinnegan as a kid, he would go after him.
*Does the Susano'o use life force instead of chakra?
This isn't clarified well, but I'd say no. That databook reference is probably stating the huge amount of chakra you need to keep Susano'o up. Nagato is a different case. He channeled his own force to the King of Hell to revive other people's life force. It's not a regular technique. It resides beyond the realm of life and death.
*Are "not being at best" and "not showing everything they have" different?
Slightly, since the former denotes an incapability. Though, even if they were are at their best and they weren't using their skills they would normally do, it also means they were incapable of fighting as Shinobi they were once back in their lifetime. Then, it matters little, since both the former Hokage didn't utilize their abilities. As an instance, the Shodaime not using Mokuton clones is something similar to Naruto not using Kage Bunshin.
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Let's forget the obvious...this thread is to find how many times this guy's been killed. Please provide the manga image with your post.
Feel free to rant about Madara too if you want lol
1. His own meteor technique (obviously intentional, as stated by Madara himself).
2. The Five Kages' combined attack (he didn't have time to absorb, was forced to use Complete Susano'o).
3. Possibly Guy's afternoon Tiger, had Madara been alive.
4. Rock Lee's kick.
Nearly all of these could have been avoided by any of Madara's jutsu, but the plot doesn't allow him to use any of them more than once. I can understand how there been be a limited number of viable asteroids near Earth, but there's no reason why someone should have no problem spamming Susano'o for 20 chapters and still have a problem revealing the complete Susano'o more than once.