So just because of a period of time, doesn't mean you're no longer strong or worthy of being mentioned. I never said he is far above the current Kenichi, I meant that he was. As of now, Kenichi is probably on Sho's level (highly unlikely though).Quote:
Check back again, he said era of expertise, and then said period. Why did he always say, master CLASS and disciple CLASS, but referred to the expert class as an "era" or a "period" ? Now you think with me, why is it always said that this disciple will become a master, That disciple is the closest to becoming a master, and I'm close to becoming a master ? If the expert class was an official class, then why was it never mentioned or actually called a "class" ? He never said that he is an expert class either, only that he is in the era of expertise.Quote:
It depends on how you see this "A master among the group", your interpretation is highly random. What the elder meant was either that he had the power of a master or that he was a master when compared to other masters. this whole very high level expert is completely made up. And last bu not least, Akisame stated that he entered the D of D as a disciple, and now the elder refer to him as a master among the group. If a whole new class existed in between disciple and a master, will he pass it at this speed ? It's hardly been that long since the DoD.
Because a disciple was stronger than a master.Quote:
Hmmmm...not sure where in my argument did I say he was not a master.Quote:
He didn't say he is "just below master class", he said he has yet to become a master, he's just as far as he is. And since expert was never an official class, and seeing as he said "however he is obviously stronger than you're now" (the manner in which he said it, Implied that Miu shouldn't underestimate him because he is of the same class) I can't help but group him with the disciples. And since Junazard said master class and disciple class, would it have been difficult to say expert class ? Are you telling me an official class will only be stated twice, both while being referred as an era or a period, but the other classes will be mentioned every chapter ? You see why I find it hard to buy that ? So wait, you are willing to assume Pengulu is stronger than Sho because he defeated two people of Sho's level, but you refuse to believe that Sho is stronger than Fortuna because he in one second, one shot three people who along with two other injured guys defeated Fortuna ? Is that not Kinda hypocritical ?Quote:
Those links and proofs you speak of are all false and never said anything directly. It's all just you making it up as you go. Why is there no possible way Sho is stronger than Fortuna ? I just noticed something, why are you involving Tanaka and Pengulu in this ? I'm not about to talk about these two any longer. This has nothing to do with the original argument. The fact that you're straying from the original point, proves your so called "proofs" are not proofs at all. It seems I really do have to teach you what a proof is. You have no idea what you're saying at all, just spouting nonsense. I don't need to improve my R.C.S, you need to. And you also need to learn what a proof is.Quote:
I know. I never used the wiki as my main source of information, otherwise I would believe there is such a thing as expert class.Quote:
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One way or the other the manga has made it painfully clear that disciple, expert and master classes are each clearly defined power levels. In this particular regard sho kano and every other disciple since are by very definition weaker than any single expert class regardless of where in the expert class range they appear. Fortuna being a master class, even if the lowest kind, has the implication of fortuna being stronger than any single expert. In this particular context the manga has already gone out of its way to make it clear that the most ordinary and simple A > b > c applies to any and all cases. Fortuna being specifically called a master class and sho being called specifically a disciple class already has the implication that fortuna is not just stronger than sho but rather he outright outclasses him in every regard.
More so, fortuna still never actually went for the kill against the disciples. To the very end he was actually trying to capture them even if he did threaten to kill them.
You keep saying that but you ignore that someone who was called a disciple class has been shown stronger than someone who was called a master class. Don't know why both of you two keep ignoring this.
Just reread the fight and here's my interpretation of what happened:
Fortuna was clearly dominating the Shinpaku alliance ridiculously, as any master would:
Hermit arrived and didn't fare any better:
Then Nijima stepped up and called the strategy:
That was all meant to create a diversion for one second to allow Hermit to execute his ultimate technique:
They did zero damage combined, except for Hermit's Kyosa. but it's not Kyosa that defeated Fortuna, but this:
It's not just the disciples who beat him but their combined power that is much bigger than the sum of it's components.
That's why it may look that just a bunch of disciples defeated master, which shouldn't be possible.
If he wanted Fortuna could have one-shot them one by one at start, but he wanted to capture them and just played around, like catching bo with his teeth.
Let's try to be a bit more civil with each other. Thank you!
Said who Kano if strong than master class is the same said tha kenichi if strong than the elder or saiga furinji. You know sakaki said fortune was a class trash master meaning the lower of the lower who Kano strong than a masters class 'that a poorly, bad and tasteless joke tha said it that if said Kano sho it strong tha he's master ongo or any yami or any Rio sanpaku it Kano sho it that strong kenichi if bellon master levels???????.....
I really didn't get a thing from your reply...
To be more clear and everyone understand, ---if kano sho is master level is then on akira ongo level or any other master from yami?!
If kenichi gave kano sho a beating who is supposed to be master level, -then kenichi is Riozanpaku master's level??????? .