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Either it is okay for both, or for neither. For me, it's okay for both.
As for contradicting stuff in the manga, that's how it always happens. "You could never defeat me!" -- defeated. "You cannot reach that place in time!" -- reaches that place with time to spare. Characters had misconceptions that something could not be done. That something was done. That is pretty much standard.
Also, that fight to run from was Acnologia, I think.
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If dragon force comes now, what next? Dragon force II? Super sayajin dragon force? Let the man be creative. Iron-Shadow seems a lot more interesting, visually, than stronger attacks due to dragon force.
And before that, I want to see dragon "drive." Sting and Rogue's first power-up. I want to see Natsu and Gajeel enter "drive" mode and kick ass. Then, later, dragon force.
More power-ups will come. Let them come at their pace.
Hey I agree with you. Power ups are power ups but if you think about it carefully you'll see they make sense. Though I do disagree with you on one, Gajeel and Gray are the same in terms of character importance, without Gajeel natsu doesn't get strong because both natsu and Gajeel are brothers in there both dragon slayers and have the same personality, both are dangerous, strong, hyper and will jump head in first plus they love girls with sexy bodies and besides who would natsu fight with. Also lets not forget Gajeel and natsu usually work in sync much better and lets not forget the edolas arc and even recently after natsu defeated the excutioners, he has a villanious side and has shown it throughout the manga especially during his fights. There also probably based on their dragon's own personality. We can expect Natsu's dragon Igneel to be similar to Natsu and Gajeel's own dragon is similar to Gajeel in personality and character
So technically Gajeel is a main character
As for power-ups and absorbing power. Here's a way to look at things people. Take fire how do you blow things up aka combustion? you require a source of fuel (diesel) + O2(oxygen gas) and then FIRE, in other words natsu to be able to even weild fire is wielding secondary elements to get the job done anyways. Even lightning as i posted before has a wind attribute to it and wind itself has water vapor so technically using secondary elements isn't stupid nor insane it requires some intelligence and acologia proves this point hardcore. Same is with Gajeel, in basic terms hes a rock specialist (iron is derived from metallic rock) but the fact that he can cut practically anything with an iron sword makes no sense (iron isn't a strong metal) FYI the strongest material on the planet is diamond and the only things close to it are metal carbides technically carbon nanotubes and graphene are stronger then even stainless steel (which is considered the strongest metal) so how he cuts rock and steel katana's using just iron? Another thing, he doesn't just eat iron, everytime in the manga he ever ate his own element (the first fight against natsu) he ate METAL and METAL is an alloy of several different metals (aluminum, iron, steel etc...) we know this for a fact the technology in that civilization is there people. The iron he ate was nothing but in the form of rust (iron oxide-which has oxygen in it hahah (air element again)) So you can see both NAtsu and GAjeel are using several elements without even knowing it to get their primary elements to work and powering them up demonically in the process, so we should enjoy the show because for once we might get some serious elements be shown in a serious crazy way, lava and molten metal could be cool for both natsu and gajeel to pull off. Enjoy the show and have fun with it elemental magic is the strongest magic in the world, once you harness one, you can harness them all
but back to your original comment, no Gajeel is not a secondary but a primary character
As for multiple elements, I'd love to have a 5-element Dragon Slayer.
Actually, I agree with amitnaruto.
In fact, in term of importance, I think Gajeel is way more important than Grey.
Actually, I think that even Wendy is more important than Grey.
He's basically the least important in the 6 main characters.
As a dragon slayer, Gajeel probably does have a bit more connection to whatever overall plot there is, but as far as being active in the story, Gray definitely comes out ahead of Gajeel. The last two arcs in a row have had as much of the guild shoved into them as Mashima could manage, but arcs that don't include the whole guild don't have half as much Gajeel in them while still giving the same amount of attention to Gray.
(Also, keep in mind who all made it to the fight with Hades. Gray got to be there for the whole battle. Gajeel spent most of the S-Class arc in bed.)
I can't see Gajeel being important at all after the last two arcs...
Gajeel's a fairly important character, just not one of the main characters. Natsu, Lucy, Gray, Erza, and Wendy are the main characters(plus Happy and Charle). Gajeel being a DS obviously has a connection to the main plot. He's kind of a secondary main character, like Juvia, Mirajane, and Elfman.
He hasn't had the "screentime" to call him a "main character", as much as you'd want to.
Mashima may change that, but for 318 chapters, the main characters have been the original 4, with Wendy tacked on midway through.
Fortunately, Mashima does give screen time to a lot of Fairy Tail members, not just the main characters. Among the secondary characters, I agree, Gajeel is in the first tier. He's had more showings than Mirajane, and probably the same amount as Elfman and Juvia.
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Also,Ichigo trained by a master(his father) about some months before he beat Aizen,he didn't became the strongest in the same day that he lost by an S clas, like Natsu did.Μy point is that,FT and especially Natsu must be taste the defeat...(and don't give me the example of Achnologia.He is the last villain,of course he would lose by the strongest villain).In real life,you can't get stronger if you dont taste the defeat.It seems that Natsu do the exactly the opposite...
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Natsu's been defeated lots of times that we've never seen. Why do you think he's so scared of Erza? Apparently Laxus beat him a couple of times too. Also, Natsu did admit defeat against Gildarts.
Even if it is true,thats not mean that he reached the ultimate level and that he is capable to beat every enemy that he is facing.Defeats are defeats and he would never stop to taste it...Even Makarov and Gildtartz lost many times at their best!
Last edited by MonkeyLuffy; February 13, 2013 at 06:01 AM.
( during Phantom Lord Arc ), but I don't think that counts as a fight per se.
Natsu admitted losing to Gildartz - he knows he can't beat him and it seems he realized that there are many people stronger than him, but he doesn't stop beause of that. It's just his nature - he's hot-headed and likes to test his strength by engaging in battles with strong opponents. When there's a need to be serious, he is pushing himself to the limit and while doing so, he gets to know more about his own power.
It's hard to define " Ultimate Level" ( as you called it) in FT . Is it the same level of magic power Acnologia , or Dragons in general, have? Can we put people on par with Zeref in the " Ultimate" category? Every time a seemingly undefeatable wizard with insane output of magical power shows up, he gets the " Strongest " label. But it's only a matter of time when someone who can surpass him will appear.