And in any case, how close he is to the 'ultimate level' has less to do with whether or not he loses and more to do with how close to story is to ending.
Guys...When i say "you can't get stronger if you dont taste the defeat." i dont mean that defeat is a power up...The defeat makes you realize how weak you are,and how far you are to reach the level you want to reach...And how you reach this level?Not with "magic" power ups,but with training(yeah it sounds very clishe,but it is mentioned so many times,because it is the most logical way to get stronger).
STA,this is not what i mean about defeat...Natsu in these examples lost,but in the end he win with some power ups(some people saying that they are asspull with friendship power,I will not go in the process to say whether i agree and why).He need to do what i said,and what Gildtarz said about fear,and knowing your weaknesses...It seems Natsu forgot it in some minutes,and he fought the one of the strongest magicians in the same day...-.- Overall,what i miss in FT,is the logic in basic features of a shounen manga,like power ups and how they work!
Oracion Six surprised the light team, they took out their two most experienced and arguably strongest(both are strong, ichiya is just so wierd its hard to remember) mages before they launched their surprise attack
Natsu got trapped, but never got beaten on Galuna
Gildartz and the others were supposed to only test the candidates, not go all out, he even said that after natsu's exploding flame blade, he would usually have passed at that point, gildartz just wanted to teach natsu a little something extra, plus gildartz was obviously above everyone in the guild, with the possible exception of makaraov, at that point anyways
Natsu has never lost a fight on or off panel, when he has been able to go completely all out, his lightning flame dragon or dragon force or secret dragon techs have always won, erza stated that all out he could surpass her, and makarov stated that all out he could(possibly) take out laxus, which means that before the timeskip he was close to being the number 3 mage in the strongest guild in the kingdom, now that he has gotten stronger and gained lightning dragon slayer magic, he is so much more badass, gildartz is probably still above him, but i'd say that if natsu went all out against him now, he would do much better before gildartz took him down
Any other example is either a comical fight, or a temporary defeat where Natsu emerges victorious in the same day that the defeat actually happens(Oracion Seis), obviously without any training or development.
If it weren't for Mavis they would be all dead.
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a bit off-topic but is anyone of you that kwaderno guy from
he just & copy paste's posts from this forum (yes even the typos)
what FT really needs is a worthy long term antagonist whom cant lose to nakama power maybe a guild with similar principles as fairy tail but evil i.e believing in love/friendship etc but wanting to well watever
Okay this really is a waste of time. All I said is Gajeel eating it is easier to stomach. This is because
1) He needs a power up and never does anything, Natsu is the main character but Gajeel is also supposed to be his rival.
2) This scenario is more believable, because God Flames and the Lighting were hyped up to being something that Natsu should NOT be able to eat. There pretty much hasn't even been a single comment about eating shadows.
3) What seems more like bullshit to you? Natsu defeating Hades and Zancrow, or Gajeel beating Rogue, who he ALREADY beat the shit out of?
This was easier to stomach as in easier to read without raging.
My standards are low. I don't need logic to enjoy this manga anymore. The complete lack of it has indeed become standard. I just need to see characters like Gajeel, Laxus and Mirajane do more.