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Is ichigo overrated? Well ichigo los against renji and byakuya in his first fight. Ichigo lost against yammi and was about to be killed, ichigo lost against grimmie, ichigo lost against ulquiorra - so did he always win? It seems not, but a point is that ichigo always gets stronger and stronger and easily defeats his ennemies for a second time
I can't see Ichigo as being overrated. He has lost pretty much every fight since the Soul Society Arc. The only fight he has won was against the Privaron Espada. That really doesn't count in my opinion, but hey it's something.
Ichigo is pretty over-rated. He's always talking about how he'll "get stronger and protect those around him!", but after bankai and his god-awful skills with Vaizard powers, he really can't continue any further. The real Vaizard need to just become the protaganists and kill the Espada.
And in his inner battle, he basically said that he loves to fight and kill. Not a great moral to have if you're a shonen main character.
^ Well, having questionable morality is one thing--it can often make for more realistic characters when done right. But I agree that Ichigo shouldn't have to give into his bloodthirsty nature to get stronger, since it'd be hard to consider him the protagonist if he has to be more like Zaraki. It's a really backwards suggestion on Kubo's part.
Yeah, so the fighters with morals, like Tousen, are made as villains.
^ Yeah, that too.
But in Tousen's case, I think that Kubo is making a commentary on the line between morality and inflated self-importance. Aizen seems to have manipulated him into thinking that HE could bring peace where Soul Society failed--so Tousen decided to turn his back on his friends and his entire division to follow through on his own sense of justice. Plus, Tousen is so sure he's right that he thinks killing for his own ideals is justice itself. So you have to wonder if he's absolute morality personified, or simply delusional and arrogant.
Ichigo doesn't have that kind of depth as a character, even though he's the main character. That's why I think he's overrated as a protagonist; he's one of the most unrelatable "good guys" I've ever seen.
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Yeah, I guess Kubo stole the Absolute Justice/Moral Justice thing from One Piece and is using it with Tousen. But, with Ichigo, at least he's stating that he's fighting to protect.
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^ I have to give him that one, since that's much more believable and realistic than "fighting for absolute justice". But I still don't like him that much.
I agree. And now he only ever uses his Bankai, which is basically the same as his shikai, but it just "looks cooler".
and enhances his speed and reiatsu to the max...
Speed, yeah. But he rarely ever actually uses it in his fights. The only real change is that Getusga Tenshou can change directions and shapes.
One thing I've never understood is why Byakuya thought the Tenshou being black is such a big deal. I'd understand if it was stronger than the Shikai version, but Byakuya and Grimmjow said that Tensa Zangetsu only increases Ichigo's speed. And Kubo never addressed the significance of the color again.
On the speed increase, that isn't very useful anymore, since it didn't help with an unreleased Grimmjow. A more hollistic Bankai would go a long way in making Ichigo a better fighter.