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Re: 21st Century Boys
@ The Fool:
The sweater-point was also one thing I thought about, first, back then. But that's not a must... Why? Read on.
As mentioned on several occasions, the dissection took place in the 6th grade.
So now, let's begin...
We know, "You died today" took place in summer, there's no need for argument, that's a point, we all agree on.
Also in Summer 1971 (6th Grade) (Vol. 12, chap. 7, Yamane says it himself, as a refference, for instance. And other occasions in Volume 1 and 12) Donkey switched on the power of the aquarium, before he saw Fukubei, Yamane and Sadakiyo. We know from Mon-chan and all the other folks (Vol 1. chap. 5, for instance), Katsumata died during the 6th grade, 'cause the rumor, his ghost haunted the scienceroom was all around that time, and he was given the assignment to turn on the power, for the aquarium (and because of that, he was afraid to go there alone, and stuff.. The rest is nothing new to you).
So, now there's one thing, which is the most important clue, for my theory.
All this happened during the summer. But when does 5th grade end and 6th grade begin? Well, there SHOULD be the catch, if it would be as in most countries, where the new schoolyear starts after summervacation...
But that's not the case for Japan. The new year in Japanese schools, always begins on April 1st. So, they where in the 6th grade, during the whole summer, when it all took place. And there are throughout the whole series more than enough referrences, from where we know, that the dissection took place in 6th grade.
To sum it up:
April 1st 1971: New year (6th grade) starts.
Later half of the summer, 6th grade, year 1971, Mon-chan and Donkey turn on the aquarium power, and Donkey is seeing his "ghost". (Fukubei, Yamane, Sadakiyo) From here we know, Katsumata should already be dead, as the rumor about his ghost floated around school. And we also know, the dissection took already place.
So, there's a timeframe between April 1st and the science-room-incident, where "You died today" took place. We know, it was in summer, and there's more than enough of a timeframe, isn't it?
Your sweater-point is valid, but it's the only point there, not to stand with my theory, whereas I have much more valid points for my theory. XP I don't know, maybe it was a cold day, or this wasn't their first dissection, then?
Believe me, I have thought about it very long, and crosschecked things. I think, now it's vivid more clearly.
And hey, Endo Kenji made a point there. It doesn't have to be the EXACT date.
But I really hope, now through my post, it's a little bit more clearly.
Phew... XD
@ Endo Kenji:
Second point: We know already from Volume 20, Chapter 11, that Fukubei and Katsumata had had contact, earlier, and seemed to work closely together, right from the beginning, so it could be Katsumata, or somebody else. But the point is, from there, we know, they worked since the early friendship-days together on this. But in the end, it all worked out for him. (well, most of it, anyway ;-P )
Third: That's it. You answered your second point almost entirely with your third one. ^^
Seemed, like they worked almost entirely together, till Fukubei died, as Katsumata has foreseen (he seemed to be the only one who was REALLY a psychic-seer, or something like that). Then he took over ENTIRELY the role of Friend.
And your last, but not least point ( ^^ ):
Maybe he did, we'll never know... I THINK, he did. Why? The first time, we saw Fukubei as a kid, was Volume 16, right? ^^
NAAHH *g*... We can already take a look (or in this case "some looks" *g*) at Fukubei in Volume 8, chapter 10, where he's CLEARLY among the children, right as they stand before the "haunted-mansion". Here you can also clealry see, Urasawa planned the whole thing, as it is later depicted in Volume 16, even before Volume 8.
So, now check all the things out, and write and discuss, as you please. XD
@ The Fool:
The sweater-point was also one thing I thought about, first, back then. But that's not a must... Why? Read on.
As mentioned on several occasions, the dissection took place in the 6th grade.
So now, let's begin...
We know, "You died today" took place in summer, there's no need for argument, that's a point, we all agree on.
Also in Summer 1971 (6th Grade) (Vol. 12, chap. 7, Yamane says it himself, as a refference, for instance. And other occasions in Volume 1 and 12) Donkey switched on the power of the aquarium, before he saw Fukubei, Yamane and Sadakiyo. We know from Mon-chan and all the other folks (Vol 1. chap. 5, for instance), Katsumata died during the 6th grade, 'cause the rumor, his ghost haunted the scienceroom was all around that time, and he was given the assignment to turn on the power, for the aquarium (and because of that, he was afraid to go there alone, and stuff.. The rest is nothing new to you).
So, now there's one thing, which is the most important clue, for my theory.
All this happened during the summer. But when does 5th grade end and 6th grade begin? Well, there SHOULD be the catch, if it would be as in most countries, where the new schoolyear starts after summervacation...
But that's not the case for Japan. The new year in Japanese schools, always begins on April 1st. So, they where in the 6th grade, during the whole summer, when it all took place. And there are throughout the whole series more than enough referrences, from where we know, that the dissection took place in 6th grade.
To sum it up:
April 1st 1971: New year (6th grade) starts.
Later half of the summer, 6th grade, year 1971, Mon-chan and Donkey turn on the aquarium power, and Donkey is seeing his "ghost". (Fukubei, Yamane, Sadakiyo) From here we know, Katsumata should already be dead, as the rumor about his ghost floated around school. And we also know, the dissection took already place.
So, there's a timeframe between April 1st and the science-room-incident, where "You died today" took place. We know, it was in summer, and there's more than enough of a timeframe, isn't it?
Your sweater-point is valid, but it's the only point there, not to stand with my theory, whereas I have much more valid points for my theory. XP I don't know, maybe it was a cold day, or this wasn't their first dissection, then?
Believe me, I have thought about it very long, and crosschecked things. I think, now it's vivid more clearly.
And hey, Endo Kenji made a point there. It doesn't have to be the EXACT date.
But I really hope, now through my post, it's a little bit more clearly.
Phew... XD
@ Endo Kenji:
Second point: We know already from Volume 20, Chapter 11, that Fukubei and Katsumata had had contact, earlier, and seemed to work closely together, right from the beginning, so it could be Katsumata, or somebody else. But the point is, from there, we know, they worked since the early friendship-days together on this. But in the end, it all worked out for him. (well, most of it, anyway ;-P )
Third: That's it. You answered your second point almost entirely with your third one. ^^
Seemed, like they worked almost entirely together, till Fukubei died, as Katsumata has foreseen (he seemed to be the only one who was REALLY a psychic-seer, or something like that). Then he took over ENTIRELY the role of Friend.
And your last, but not least point ( ^^ ):
Maybe he did, we'll never know... I THINK, he did. Why? The first time, we saw Fukubei as a kid, was Volume 16, right? ^^
NAAHH *g*... We can already take a look (or in this case "some looks" *g*) at Fukubei in Volume 8, chapter 10, where he's CLEARLY among the children, right as they stand before the "haunted-mansion". Here you can also clealry see, Urasawa planned the whole thing, as it is later depicted in Volume 16, even before Volume 8.
So, now check all the things out, and write and discuss, as you please. XD
