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Hey @Holt : D

I don't think I'm the right guy to ask for comedy manga, haven't read many tbh. The only ones I could recommend are Sket Dance and Gintama, but both also have serious arcs sprinkled in here and there (which is a concept I really like. It's a unique experience when a comedy series suddenly turns almost completely serious). Comedy is something very subjective though, I feel, so it's quite hard to point to a series and say person x is going to laugh a lot, especially if you don't know that person at all, so no promises from my side :p

Or wait, I got a really funny series for you: Bleach :toc
Haha, maybe I'll recommend bleach. However, if you could recommend something to start with, even if not comedy, what would it be?
 

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I forgot I posed it so, so we're in the same boat in a way.

Umm, I mean, I disagree to some degree about male vs female characters at least in a broad sense. There are standouts here and there obviously but for the majority I really do think female characters in the manga I read tend to be better just as a result of the authors being willing to take more chances with them. I think a lot of the issues I have with male characters out there currently is that authors are more risk averse than ever with the characters they feel like they need people to like. When an author gets something that they think works they just sort of freeze.

Which is a way MT really stands out among everything else. It began as a WN where I think it's easier to take those chances. And so you get the kind of evolving character arc. Which a lot of manga don't even try to do. And if they do it, they do it with female characters.

Like in Jujutsu Kaisen from what I read, I dropped it a while ago, Nobara was the most fun character and Maki's the one with the interesting character arc. Yuuji is sort of just a shounen protagonist. Not a bad one but he is what he is. Gojo was super cool but kinda shallow. Megumi was probably the best male character but he's not amazing either since he doesn't quite have the full degree of depth. Who else?
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Actually I take that back. I don't want to short change Todo. He's pretty good. He doesn't really have an arc but he's pretty good just as is.
Pretty late again, but not quite as much as last time at least. Sorry D:

Well you're right in the sense that with female characters there are way less self-insert types, and they're the protagonist less often too, so the authors tend to do a bit more with them. Doesn't change the fact that many, many of them get turned into fanservice characters as well, though. I guess the difference is that you can appreciate some booba more than a boring self-insert character, yes, but it doesn't make them better or more interesting. The sheer amount of female characters is enough to say that there's a higher amount of interesting girls compared to boys in otaku media, but my point is I disagree that there's hardly any interesting male chars out there. Just my opinion though, besides that I think we agree on most points.

Your MT point is true in a sense, but I believe there's more works out there than you think who actually do take risks with male characters. Chainsaw Man is one prime example for a show that has a very not likeable protagonist. Another example would be Vinland Saga. Or Koe no Katachi. Or Death Note. Tokyo Ghoul too to some extent. Or Shingeki. Or I am a Hero. Just to name some examples that came to mind on the spot, and that's just manga (and I wouldn't say I've read all that much manga). You can argue whether those characters are "good" or became good eventually, but they're all dislikeable to some extent and go through a number of developments, some better than other.

About Jujutsu, Todo gets even better later on : D Regarding Megumi, he isn't amazing, but there's some additional standout male characters later on in my opinion. Not top of the top, but still. Guess we can come back to that once the anime has adapted the Shibuya arc.

Haha, maybe I'll recommend bleach. However, if you could recommend something to start with, even if not comedy, what would it be?
I'm probably way too late on this anyway haha, but I'll still give my thoughts :XD Feel like it's a bit too broad of a question, always depends on what the person in question likes and is interested in. I actually forgot one "funny" manga last time, which would be One Punch Man. Great paneling, and a fun mix of action and comedy. So there's a bit of both in there, which works pretty well in my opinion (and the art gets insane later on). Maybe I forgot to mention it bc I'd usually recommend the first season instead, bc that one was amazing. Season 2 not so much...

Besides that, I think Koe no Katachi is a really good short manga, that shows what the medium can pull off. Nothing much there that could put someone off either, besides maybe if bullying is too sensitive a topic for you.

A classic like Death Note or Fullmetal Alchemist is always an option, too. Normally wouldn't recommend something with hundreds of chapters for your first manga, so these two work well. And that's it as far as general manga recommendations go, without knowing said person : D
 

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Pretty late again, but not quite as much as last time at least. Sorry D:

Well you're right in the sense that with female characters there are way less self-insert types, and they're the protagonist less often too, so the authors tend to do a bit more with them. Doesn't change the fact that many, many of them get turned into fanservice characters as well, though. I guess the difference is that you can appreciate some booba more than a boring self-insert character, yes, but it doesn't make them better or more interesting. The sheer amount of female characters is enough to say that there's a higher amount of interesting girls compared to boys in otaku media, but my point is I disagree that there's hardly any interesting male chars out there. Just my opinion though, besides that I think we agree on most points.

Your MT point is true in a sense, but I believe there's more works out there than you think who actually do take risks with male characters. Chainsaw Man is one prime example for a show that has a very not likeable protagonist. Another example would be Vinland Saga. Or Koe no Katachi. Or Death Note. Tokyo Ghoul too to some extent. Or Shingeki. Or I am a Hero. Just to name some examples that came to mind on the spot, and that's just manga (and I wouldn't say I've read all that much manga). You can argue whether those characters are "good" or became good eventually, but they're all dislikeable to some extent and go through a number of developments, some better than other.

About Jujutsu, Todo gets even better later on : D Regarding Megumi, he isn't amazing, but there's some additional standout male characters later on in my opinion. Not top of the top, but still. Guess we can come back to that once the anime has adapted the Shibuya arc.
Well, I am guilty of painting with too broad a brush. Which I readily admit to. There certainly are interesting male characters out there if you search hard enough for them. But I maintain on the whole in manga you really do get a lot of the same more often than not when it comes to major male characters.

When you say I appreciate booba more than a boring self insert. Your right about that. Given the choice between those two things. I'm going to pick the former. Because the latter has no value at all to me as a reader or viewer. The appeal of those sort of greatest common denominator type of characters for me is in like videogames, where you take that blank slate and mold it in a way that interests you. And I think you can probably understand that frustration because as long as a character is just looking to be neutrally likable or a trope. They will never be great. They're really just a placeholder for the most part.

And maybe those characters that break that mold are out there and just happen to be in manga and anime I don't watch watch or read. You mentioned a bunch of series there I don't follow for various reasons (Vinland Saga, Koe no Katachi, Shingeki, I am a Hero) or who have been finished long enough to fade from conversation (Tokyo Ghoul, Death Note). I don't actually like Chainsaw Man not because of the MC but for other reasons. Same for Jujutsu Taisen. I dropped both after reaching their "Season 1 break" for the lack of a better term. Now it could very well be that the series I do follow, less contemporary more fantasy romance/adventure leaning where possible, maybe that limits my scope of experience.

If I'm talking about My Dress Up Darling, I like Gojo just fine, but he gets upstaged by kind of a lot by Marin-chan. And I feel like that's sort of how it should be honestly.
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On a related note I really can't say enough good things about Cid Kagenou from The Eminence in Shadow. He is the most entertaining character since Satou Kazuma. I praise him every week and it's never enough.
 
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do you play Melty Blood: Type Lumina?
 

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do you play Melty Blood: Type Lumina?
Nah, I'm staying away from that until the Tsukihime remake translation is released, don't want to (potentially) get spoiled. Already have the Switch Limited Edition here though, looking forward to finally playing it :3
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Well, I am guilty of painting with too broad a brush. Which I readily admit to. There certainly are interesting male characters out there if you search hard enough for them. But I maintain on the whole in manga you really do get a lot of the same more often than not when it comes to major male characters.

When you say I appreciate booba more than a boring self insert. Your right about that. Given the choice between those two things. I'm going to pick the former. Because the latter has no value at all to me as a reader or viewer. The appeal of those sort of greatest common denominator type of characters for me is in like videogames, where you take that blank slate and mold it in a way that interests you. And I think you can probably understand that frustration because as long as a character is just looking to be neutrally likable or a trope. They will never be great. They're really just a placeholder for the most part.

And maybe those characters that break that mold are out there and just happen to be in manga and anime I don't watch watch or read. You mentioned a bunch of series there I don't follow for various reasons (Vinland Saga, Koe no Katachi, Shingeki, I am a Hero) or who have been finished long enough to fade from conversation (Tokyo Ghoul, Death Note). I don't actually like Chainsaw Man not because of the MC but for other reasons. Same for Jujutsu Taisen. I dropped both after reaching their "Season 1 break" for the lack of a better term. Now it could very well be that the series I do follow, less contemporary more fantasy romance/adventure leaning where possible, maybe that limits my scope of experience.

If I'm talking about My Dress Up Darling, I like Gojo just fine, but he gets upstaged by kind of a lot by Marin-chan. And I feel like that's sort of how it should be honestly.
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On a related note I really can't say enough good things about Cid Kagenou from The Eminence in Shadow. He is the most entertaining character since Satou Kazuma. I praise him every week and it's never enough.
Just wanted to add that I mostly agree with you. There isn't much that's more annoying than a boring self-insert character, and it's always a missed opportunity. But it also goes hand in hand with the female archetype of pretty lady with nice booba who has x quirky character trait. They depend on each other, so to say, and this wish-fullfilment stuff is exactly what many find cringe or lame. Not that I would say that kinda story can't have it's value, but yeah, you have many many of these boring self-inserts exactly bc a lot of otaku want to imagine themselves with all those pretty ladies. So in a sense you could argue that boring self-inserts are the price you pay for getting more sexy ladies :amuse

And hey, maybe you still want to check out the new Jujutsu Kaisen season when it airs, bc the next two arcs are way better than what came before. Pretty sure you will enjoy that. Or did you dislike the first season that much?

As for Dress up darling, it's that kinda series, so ofc Gojo gets overshadowed by Marin. At least he's a lot better than say, the guy in Komi-san and similar cases. But series like that are created to fawn over the female lead, so that's only natural. Pretty sure that you have a ton of similar cases for manga catered toward girls, where the male love interests are all more interesting than the actual female MC (only example I can think of, though not exactly the best lol, is Vampire Knight).
 

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Yeah, your not wrong about the low effort harem-y characters. There are a lot of those too. I know your enjoying Danmachi so far this season and I think that stands as a good example of where I wish those series would strive to be. Ryuu is harem love interest. But there is a lot more going on there than just that. That is, I think, something that more manga/anime should strive towards.

And when I said I had issues with the first season I meant the manga. I read all the way up until the author took a break. The part the first season of the anime covered I liked a lot actually. Pretty much everything after this point I do not care for various reasons. I'd elaborate on why if you want me to but at the end of the day it's just not my cup of tea.
 
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Nah, I'm staying away from that until the Tsukihime remake translation is released, don't want to (potentially) get spoiled. Already have the Switch Limited Edition here though, looking forward to finally playing it :3
i see i see nii :nod happy playing! :cheerbunny
 
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