Lion of the Two Swords神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
- Apr 30, 2012
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Does Aleister have Imagine Breaker or not? The campaign words Touma as part of "Aleister's arsenal" (lol).I watched the Madoka Magica anime a while back (My memory of it is a bit hazy though). I quite liked Homura's character though. Also I didn't watch the movie, though I should make a point of doing that sometime.
So, how does the fight with Aleis-tan pan out? Well, how I see it, there are three ways this fight can pan out Which would all, ultimately lead to Crowley's victory:
A) Retreating tactics
Which, as we have seen from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, is a perfectly valid strategy.
Aleister can simply choose to....run away. But he isn't running away for nothing. Much like Joseph Joestar running away to get into a helicopter in his fight against Kars, here, Aleister would not be merely retreating.
Yes, he's running away to take solitude. In the Windowless Building:
This is the headquarters of Academy City, the building that Aleister lives in. From the outside, it looks like a typical skyscraper, but oh no, don't be fooled. This building is so indestructible, it can resist the most hazardous of things. Such as nuclear explosions. Or world ending disasters. Such as 'Level 6' Misaka:
I say 'Level 6' because Misaka was not quite at that level. She was something close to it? But regardless, if she actually attained Level 6, she would end up destroying herself. As well as Academy City. Yet the Windowless Building would still be standing still.
It can also survive other buildings being thrown against it:
^ In the above video, Accelerator actually used (Part of) the force of the earth's rotation to thrust that building at the Windowless structure. And the Windowless building ended up without as much as a scratch.
The building can also survive being thrust into space (As we see in the fight between Coronzon and Aiwass). This would mean the building is unaffected by frictional forces that occur in the atmosphere. The world could be destroyed as we know it, but the building would still be safe
It is the ultimate fortress. A completely unpenetrable defence.
Aleister would be safe and sound, comfortable in his own domain. And btw, he'd have a neko girl attending him too
Meaning, Homura gets tired of trying to tear Crowley apart, and eventually gives up. Goes home. Crowley wins
The inside of the building looks something like this:
Inside, the concepts of time and space do not exist at all. Unless Aleister so wills it. Basically, even trying to do stuff like teleport into the building won't work at all (Only one person is able to do so, and even then that person has to be granted special access/permission by Aleister themselves)
B. The law of relativity
The opponent this time is a girl. A magical girl, right? (Again, excuse me if I got something wrong). Well, To Aru verse has its own magical girl as well A character who was so powerful, that she ended up being abolished from this tournament altogether. Sou, that is the best girl.
She is, a Magical God (girl). As I previously mentioned, this is the peak of magic in the To Aru world. Othinus is so powerful, that her base form (Without Gungnir), is capable of destroying even the likes of Imagine Breaker. And this is the ultimate magical counter weapon btw.
At full power (With Gungnir), Othinus is capable of destroying the world, several times over.
And reshaping it several times over.
And this is the same Othinus who is weaker than the High Priest. The High Priest who ended up losing to Aleister's tactics.
That stipulates that:
And Aleister himself stated he could have defeated Othinus, but he preferred to let the world deal with her. At the time when Othinus was destroying and reshaping Touma's world, Aleister was not around. He had hidden away in a pocket dimension (Where the other Magical Gods were). Also, the Windowless Building was pretty much unharmed, so from this what do we learn about Aleister? The literal end of the world would not be enough to defeat him. At all.
Aleister didn't go to the pocket dimension to sight see. No, he's not that kind of person. I mentioned it in the previous round against the High Priest, but he went there to personally deal with the Magic Gods. He actually ended up destroying that dimension for good. A world that Othinus was unaware existed. She couldn't even get there by herself.
This is strategy 2, straight out victory
C. The SOL strategy
Aleister uses his trump card, Kamijo Toma.
The main character of the Index franchise, he is a mere level 0. He has no scientific/magical capabilities to speak of. But still, he is an important chess piece in Aleister's plans.
Touma himself is no slouch He's faced all kinds of women in his life. From pure maidens such as Itsuwa:
To battle fanatics such as Mikasa and Oriana:
Add in nuns to the mix as well. The entire series is basically him facing off against female opponents (For the most part), so adding one or two more to the mix wouldn't change anything anyway
And each time, Touma ended up defeating them. Plus winning them over. So when he meets Homura, what will happen?
She comes to like him. He lets her stay at his place, and grooms her into proper lady One who stays away from battles.
So the enemy ends up being won over. Not through violence. But through love and peace:
Basically, Touma shaves and brings a high school girl home. That is strategy number 3
A technique like time stop would not work on Touma. Since he is the current wielder/holder of Imagine Breaker, the moment time is stopped around him, the technique would be immediately be dispelled. Because stopping time in itself is a supernatural ability as well. It's the same reason healing techniques done through supernatural means (Magic) don't work on his body. His right hand immediately dispels them. So stopping time is a technique that would not work on Touma, since he would break out immediately after.
Alternatively, Aleis-tan challenges Homura to a fashion contest. They duke it out to see who has the better drip
This is my shameless attempt at posting Aleister fanart/pics, but do accept it regardless
The end result? Well, see for yourself:
TL: DR - Vote Aleister. For long life and healthier skin
He is the one who initially made it. So yes, it is his creation. The reason Touma has it now is because it manifested in his right hand (Due to Aleister granting it to him). The rules of the tournament state that a character can use all the abilities in their arsenal, soDoes Aleister have Imagine Breaker or not? The campaign words Touma as part of "Aleister's arsenal" (lol).
Well, he is always in his fortress anyway. He rarely leaves it. Even when he does leave it, he is still inside it. Basically he can be in two places at once.Also I would like to know how much time does Aleister take to cast or make all these "tactics". If he cannot effectively use them in a fight I dont see where is the problem for Homura.
That's the thing. While he has Imagine Breaker, any and all supernatural attacks are negated. Stopping time counts as one of this (Unless I am misunderstanding how this ability works? )If he cannot move in stopped time he's also toast.
I've read most of the Toaru LNs (I've pretty much finished NT and not touched GT yet), I know that Crowley is one of the few people who actually knows what Imagine Breaker is but don't recall it being said that he was involved at all in its 'creation'He is the one who initially made it. So yes, it is his creation.
Okay, I apologize since I do not exactly remember the exact novel where it was mentionedI'm not saying that this isn't true, but if you could provide a reference (what novel it was said in, for example) then that'd be very much appreciated
Thats not an answer to my question, I asked "Does Aleister have Imagine Breaker?"He is the one who initially made it. So yes, it is his creation. The reason Touma has it now is because it manifested in his right hand (Due to Aleister granting it to him). The rules of the tournament state that a character can use all the abilities in their arsenal, so
Well, he is always in his fortress anyway. He rarely leaves it. Even when he does leave it, he is still inside it. Basically he can be in two places at once.
The edited part of my initial post, check it out. That interpretation sounds more satisfactory, I reckonTo me, I never thought that he was involved in its creation, but rather was the most knowledgeable about it - leading to him knowing how he should guide/mould Touma/the power, to use it in his various schemes
Haha, he can exist in two places at once though Like z said above. Technically, he can exist all over the world at the same time, due to the Crowley Hazards.Also I dont get it, in the battle against Daishinkan you said he needs to go into that custom dimension of his to perform those debuffs on the Magic Gods, yet now you say he's in both places at once?
Nuh their deaths actually optimizes Prime Aliester's powers.This is a pretty tough battle. Im really not sure where this can go. But im liking it
Imagine Breaker is a truly broken hax power, but it has its limits from what ive read
Btw, what happens to Aleister in the house, if for example something happens to the one outside. Are they connected or are all the other versions just dolls? A question strictly for academic purposes of course
I was actually going to raise this in my next post But Arjuna pretty much explained it. I'll add a bit more though.Btw, what happens to Aleister in the house, if for example something happens to the one outside. Are they connected or are all the other versions just dolls? A question strictly for academic purposes of course
See this is what I am getting at too. Aleister was the only one who was capable of using it at the time. So in a way, he was the designated host for IB. None of the other Cabal members could use it (Unless I am mixing up my facts here).Aliester didn't create Imagine Breaker,as far as I remember IB was with the Cabal Golden Dawn, Aliester used it,IB was in the shape of an Arrow then,in his war.After the battle it disappeared and it again appeared in Touma's hands.What happened in between we don't know.
That's what i remember.