Discussion Assault Mode Meliodas and his brothers vs Goddess Elizabeth and the 4 Archangels

[Samael Morningstar]

Well if Mael simply flies to outer space and gets direct contact with sunlight just like how superman and sentry do then definitely he's going to be far beyond his current base sunshine state and that state may even take on Induras outside near noon and one.

 

[sobreno]

AA's/Elizabeth easily win without going against Indura.

If they go Indura, both sides die.

Either way the Goddesses seem to have the favour here.

Lol nope, they don't win easily, nice wank. Completely forgetting the balance of the 2 Clans, aren't we? And who needed extra Clans for help.

If they go Indura, it is a stomp and they don't die right way as Baruja remains Indura for how many years already? Same for those Indura walking around in the Demon World.

Far from being having the favour lol. Good luck with 4 Indura beast far above Indura Monspiet and Derrierie. Last time, they almost died with a semi evolving Indura Monspiet and Derrierie and we know that the Indura final evolution is being a giant beast. Look at Baruja and the Indura rampaging the Demon World, they aren't small lol.

Wait, Indura from the masters are enough to cleanse them.

I don't want to imagine an Indura final stage created by Mel, Zel and the masters. Mainly Indura Mel. Meliodas was already stronger than any Goddess at his Prime when he made Mael run away and Ludo uneasy to fight him on one versus one. Keeping and protecting the balance from his side alone as stated by Ogowther like a boss. OGowther who is the smartest person in the entire verse stated that only Mael truly balanced Mel and he was right at the end.

Indura is like 8 Gates mode but far more longer in duration, it can last for centuries ( cough Indura in the Demon Workd cough ). Talk about a Supreme wild card for the Demons. Only problem is that they lost their reason but who cares? Power is the only absolute thing in a battle.

With 8 gates, Guy passed from fodder to monster tier who fought 6 path Madara and overwhelm him. Despite being a suicide technique, the strength was still there.

Supreme Deity will have no choice but to come to kill them lol.

The Demons are truly the strongest, they have those monstrous beast on their side like wild dogs ready to destroy and they didn't use it in the Holy War for plot armor.

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Well if Mael simply flies to outer space and gets direct contact with sunlight just like how superman and sentry do then definitely he's going to be far beyond his current base sunshine state and that state may even take on Induras outside near noon and one.

That is too much fanboyism right there buddy, outer space and superman?

 

[Ger]

Zeldris>>ludo, Elizabeth sar and Tar

Those characters cant even hope to even lay on a finger on zeldris especially Elizabeth who lacks speed and battle prowess, and for ludo hes always been Zeldris own bitch even in this war so mael needed to step up. Meanwhile meliodas tops those guys even more and the exception of mael depending on the time setting though it's irrelevant.

 

[sobreno]

Zeldris>>ludo, Elizabeth sar and Tar

Those characters cant even hope to even lay on a finger on zeldris especially Elizabeth who lacks speed and battle prowess, and for ludo hes always been Zeldris own bitch even in this war so mael needed to step up. Meanwhile meliodas tops those guys even more and the exception of mael depending on the time setting though it's irrelevant.

Yeah, Those Archangels can't even do anything against Zeldoris, their Ark and Graces except Sunshine are also useless.

Prime Meliodas 2nd Mark already and casually stop a full ray and light of Sunshine and made him retreat single handedly.
Later Prime Meliodas AM overwhelmed the very DK hax that that Ludo, Mael and the rest couldn't even bypass.

Only noon Mael is the danger here but Indura will put him at his place, along with the rest since Meliodas doesn't accept his Inner Demon Lord power, that would be a horrible stomp.

Feat and prowess are there, no wonder that Mel alone maintained the balance all by himself.

 

[Estarossa173]

Yeah, Those Archangels can't even do anything against Zeldoris, their Ark and Graces except Sunshine are also useless.

Prime Meliodas 2nd Mark already and casually stop a full ray and light of Sunshine and made him retreat single handedly.
Later Prime Meliodas AM overwhelmed the very DK hax that that Ludo, Mael and the rest couldn't even bypass.

Only noon Mael is the danger here but Indura will put him at his place, along with the rest since Meliodas doesn't accept his Inner Demon Lord power, that would be a horrible stomp.

Feat and prowess are there, no wonder that Mel alone maintained the balance all by himself.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I hope you’re keeping in mind the fact that Ludociel wasn’t in his original body.

Also, do you remember how Ludociel STOMPED the original demon (who some demon fanboys claimed to be stronger than
Zeldris?)

 

[sobreno]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I hope you’re keeping in mind the fact that Ludociel wasn’t in his original body.

AND you the fact that it wouldn't matter as magic attack is completely useless, no matter the strength behind? And that it is 90% of his arsenal?

That is why Zeldoris is pure hax against him. Ludo can't take him down with stronger Ark, it wouldn't affect him lol.

No matter how I look at it.

And he didn't stomped the Sinner but that is the opposite as stated by Merlin, he was getting the upper hand, I like how you forgot that fact. Even Merlin stated that at his rhythm, they will both be killed before he auto self destruct.

But that is beside the point since magic attack are useless against Zeldoris, the Cruel Sun who one shotted the Sinner wouldn't scratch Zeldoris, your point?

 

[Estarossa173]

AND you the fact that it wouldn't matter as magic attack is completely useless, no matter the strength behind? And that it is 90% of his arsenal?

That is why Zeldoris is pure hax against him. Ludo can't take him down with stronger Ark, it wouldn't affect him lol.

No matter how I look at it.

Yeah. Thanks to Zeldris’s protection from magic that he got from his father. But if you take that away, how do you think Zeldris would fare?

 

[sobreno]

Yeah. Thanks to Zeldris’s protection from magic that he got from his father. But if you take that away, how do you think Zeldris would fare?

That is still Zeldoris's arsenal, like it or not lol.

It is like saying: Taking away Hagoromo's power on both Naruto and Sasuke and Hashirama stomp them individually.

 

[Estarossa173]

Well if Mael simply flies to outer space and gets direct contact with sunlight just like how superman and sentry do then definitely he's going to be far beyond his current base sunshine state and that state may even take on Induras outside near noon and one.

It’s definitely possible.

 

[sobreno]

It’s definitely possible.

That wouldn't change anything and going to the outer space? Really?

 

[Ger]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I hope you’re keeping in mind the fact that Ludociel wasn’t in his original body.

Also, do you remember how Ludociel STOMPED the original demon (who some demon fanboys claimed to be stronger than
Zeldris?)

Ludoshel was in his original state whether he has physical body or not. The only thing that limits ludo IS NOT his power but the amount of time given to him to stay. This shows everytime he uses heavy magic his body disappears, but that doesn't affect his magic power at all. Who in their right mind even says OG demon> zeldris? The feats that OG demon had is inferior to zeldris, fighting mael already proves thi fact and got one shotted, meanwhile zeldris went head to head with mael and not only that blitzed him at one point.

 

[sobreno]

It’s definitely possible.

You loved to say: Thanks to his father's magic protection.

Now, my turn, how Ludo would far WITHOUT Flash or his grace?

That is from the Supreme Deity, he wasn't born with it.

No more speed and he wouldn't escape Ominous Nebula lol.

 

[Ger]

Not only that when zeldris activated ON, ludo was worried about mael despite seeing him one shotting the Sinner himself.

 

[sobreno]

Ludoshel was in his original state whether he has physical body or not. The only thing that limits ludo IS NOT his power but the amount of time given to him to stay. This shows everytime he uses heavy magic his body disappears, but that doesn't affect his magic power at all. Who in their right mind even says OG demon> zeldris? The feats that OG demon had is inferior to zeldris, fighting mael already proves thi fact and got one shotted, meanwhile zeldris went head to head with mael and not only that blitzed him at one point.

Zeldoris even pressured him with his Darkness via contouring him and the Sins and Elizabeth assisted him.

Truly, Zeldoris alone, was a beast. He doesn't go down easily.

 

[Ger]

^ that too zeldris merely used darkness and it pressured the ark that ludo was using and couldnt make it disappear despite the fact darkness is weak to light, but given the fact based on feats, if u have higher magic than the other therefore your whatever ability is superior and cant be backed. So that means zeldris own magic at that point sending little darkness at ludo which ludo couldnt fight back or make it disappear shows the magic gap between them

 

[sobreno]

Not only that when zeldris activated ON, ludo was worried about mael despite seeing him one shotting the Sinner himself.

I underestimated Zeldoris, he is truly a wild card here, a very hax wild card.

 

[Ger]

That's why I said zeldris>> all 3 AAs and Elizabeth. Elizabeth may have strong magic but she cant do anything as she cant fight in combat as shes basically like a long range type user that a vanguard needs the enemy to be stand still position for that long range type to hit.

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One slap from zeldris Elizabeth is gone

 

[sobreno]

That's why I said zeldris>> all 3 AAs and Elizabeth. Elizabeth may have strong magic but she cant do anything as she cant fight in combat as shes basically like a long range type user that a vanguard needs the enemy to be stand still position for that long range type to hit.

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One slap from zeldris Elizabeth is gone

Elizabeth is completely useless against Zeldoris lol, Zeldoris is literally her kryptonite. Absolutely nothing that she could do to even scratch him lol.

Best boy Zeldoris, I am proud of him.

Like Superman facing a foe recovered with kryptonite armor.

Same for the other Archangels, only a physical powerhouse Archangel aka Mael could face Zeldoris. Even him will have trouble putting him down.

DK truly creates a hax Demon with giving God to Zeldoris.

 

[Shadowlord123]

The argument of "Mel bypassed the DK's borrowed magic" so he must be far stronger than anyone else doesn't even make any sense to begin with. In chapter 249/250, Ludo casually bypassed that same magic while being on a human vessel, while later on he couldn't do it with stronger attacks.

There are multiple takes on this:

1. Zeldris was up against one of the most overpowered magical users in the series (Merlin) and someone who he himself was very wary about, so he decided to deactivate the DK's borrowed magic. Makes no sense as you can see it.

2. Nakaba didn't had a clear idea as to what the DK's magic was supposed to be at that time. This is supported by the fact that it was highly implied during Zel's battle against Diane in Drole's body that the DK's magic had something to do with sealing magic. A point that hasn't ever been brought up again.

Again, the first option doesn't even make any sense, while the second option is much better and makes far more sense than that. This is not the first time Nakaba actually has retconned things he has said before. Besides, Zeldris himself stated in his fight against Mael that no matter how powerful the magic is, it can't bypass his DK borrowed magic (which contradicts several panels shown before and further supports the idea that Nakaba changed his mind during the series as to what the DK's magic was supposed to be). This is again supported by the fact that not even the DK's magic attack (Sighting Sage) was able to bypass it, and 10C DK Mel should be far above Prime Mel.

The only reason later on the DK could hurt him with a magical attack was because he took back the borrowed power he lent to Zeldris. The dialogue he said in the official translation while he did that was: "Did you forget? The Demon Lord power was something I'd only lent him", which clearly indicates that he had to take that power out of Zeldris for his magical attacks to affect him.

So, the "Mel bypassed the DK's magic" argument shouldn't even be brought up because it makes no sense and it doesn't help at all to guess how strong Prime Mel really is, since on the one hand Ludo in a human vessel could casually do that and later on, not even the DK himself could do it.

 

[sobreno]

The argument of "Mel bypassed the DK's borrowed magic" so he must be far stronger than anyone else doesn't even make any sense to begin with. In chapter 249/250, Ludo casually bypassed that same magic while being on a human vessel, while later on he couldn't do it with stronger attacks.

There are multiple takes on this:

1. Zeldris was up against one of the most overpowered magical users in the series (Merlin) and someone who he himself was very wary about, so he decided to deactivate the DK's borrowed magic. Makes no sense as you can see it.

2. Nakaba didn't had a clear idea as to what the DK's magic was supposed to be at that time. This is supported by the fact that it was highly implied during Zel's battle against Diane in Drole's body that the DK's magic had something to do with sealing magic. A point that hasn't ever been brought up again.

Again, the first option doesn't even make any sense, while the second option is much better and makes far more sense than that. This is not the first time Nakaba actually has retconned things he has said before. Besides, Zeldris himself stated in his fight against Mael that no matter how powerful the magic is, it can't bypass his DK borrowed magic (which contradicts several panels shown before and further supports the idea that Nakaba changed his mind during the series as to what the DK's magic was supposed to be). This is again supported by the fact that not even the DK's magic attack (Sighting Sage) was able to bypass it, and 10C DK Mel should be far above Prime Mel.

The only reason later on the DK could hurt him with a magical attack was because he took back the borrowed power he lent to Zeldris. The dialogue he said in the official translation while he did that was: "Did you forget? The Demon Lord power was something I'd only lent him", which clearly indicates that he had to take that power out of Zeldris for his magical attacks to affect him.

So, the "Mel bypassed the DK's magic" argument shouldn't even be brought up because it makes no sense and it doesn't help at all to guess how strong Prime Mel really is, since on the one hand Ludo in a human vessel could casually do that and later on, not even the DK himself could do it.

Nope, he didn't bypass that, Zeldoris clearly was surprised and he can turn on and turn off that hax power on command. It wasn't even needed as that surprise blast didn't barely scratch him.

Even never noted that anyone besides Meliodas clearly bypassed it, hence why his surprise and " impossible " claim. DK also can ignore the hax of his own power that he lent to him, like Mel. You are just downplaying Prime AM Mel feat right there, a very excellent feat that no one besides his Father replicated later on which surprised Mael even.

That is why Zeldoris stated the DK besides Meliodas when Mel bypassed it. Meliodas, several times, ignored the hax of the people that he faced lol. That is not the first time.

Even said to Mael's face that no matter his magic attack, it wouldn't work against him lol.