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Base Erza take this. High diff.
Won't be an easy fight but Erza has crazy endurance and stamina. This fight would be like Erza vs Minerva.
Give Mirajane all her forms. Then Mira might have a chance against base Erza.
 

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Base erza
 

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The only attacks Erza didn't take head-on from Laxus was the one she matched with Blumenblatt (and she still took brunt of the attack) and the attack he used to take out Kyria (which should not have been much at all)

For Mirajane to win this, she would have to be able to nearly magically exhaust Laxus the way Erza did. Is that something most of you really see? Because I quite frankly can't even begin to compare Mirajane with Laxus.

To add on top of that, not only does Mirajane not have those feats at all, but by common argument standards around here, she would also need to be able to do all that in her Base Satan Soul.

So... lol.
This LMFAO.

Erza will just no sell all of Mira's nukes and finish her off with her fists.

Erza >>> Laxus without Red Lightning >>>>>>>>>>> BSS Mira.
 

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Erza give her the same punishment Laxus gave to Skullion and Madmolle. BSS can’t even scratch her, even with stronger forms Erza wins.
 

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Erza with no swords or armors is not beating Mirajane. Erza with Benizakura was outmatched by Kyria and she needed enchantments to overpower her but sure she's beating Mirajane who is stronger than Kyria and who tied with her leader in her weakest form. As if Mashima would write that.
 

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Erza with no swords or armors is not beating Mirajane. Erza with Benizakura was outmatched by Kyria and she needed enchantments to overpower her but sure she's beating Mirajane who is stronger than Kyria and who tied with her leader in her weakest form. As if Mashima would write that.
And how BSS Mira can beat Erza when Laxus one shotted Skullion who is on Mira level ?
 

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And how BSS Mira can beat Erza when Laxus one shotted Skullion who is on Mira level ?
The thread is about BASE Erza so no swords or armors. Erza with Benizakura couldn't overpower Kyria who is weaker than Mirajane.
 

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The thread is about BASE Erza so no swords or armors. Erza with Benizakura couldn't overpower Kyria who is weaker than Mirajane.
Base Erza defeated Kyoka and Neo Minerva without her 5 senses and without swords or armor. Even without that she is stronger than Kyria and Mirajane. Stop wanking Mira. She admitted that she couldn't defeat Skullion. Laxus Base >= Erza Base >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skullion.
 

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Base Erza defeated Kyoka and Neo Minerva without her 5 senses and without swords or armor. Even without that she is stronger than Kyria and Mirajane. Stop wanking Mira. She admitted that she couldn't defeat Skullion. Laxus Base >= Erza Base >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skullion.
Yeah and Erza + Benizakura was outmatched by Kyria. BSS Mira tied with Skullion.

Tell me more about how Erza with no weapons or armors can beat BSS Mirajane. And you want to talk about wanking? Erza herself thought Kyria was strong and was impressed that Laxus beat her. But sure, Erza with her hands are capable of beating Mirajane going all out in BSS.

So Base Erza > Erza + Benizakura?

Without power of friendship Base Erza is not beating BSS Mira. The fact that people are arguing this shows how ridiculous this fandom is.
 

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Yeah and Erza + Benizakura was outmatched by Kyria. BSS Mira tied with Skullion.
Do you think Erza with Benizakura would also be outmatched by Lucy? Be so for real right now.

Laxus destroyed Skullion and Madmole without much effort and Erza is roughly on the same level. Mirajane has nothing in her arsenal that could put Erza down.
 

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Do you think Erza with Benizakura would also be outmatched by Lucy? Be so for real right now.
That's not the same thing though. Lucy had help from Laxus and used her ace to beat Kyria while Erza did not go all out. However it doesn't change the fact that Erza with Benizakura couldn't comfortably put Kyria down in a swordfight.

Both Lucy with Cancer's swords and Erza with Benizakura were matched then outmatched by Kyria's blades. Benizakura, which is no longer her ace, was used to fight Kyria's 'blades' and they were even before Kyria cut it. Erza with no blades is obviously weaker that Erza with them.

Lucy also cannot parry and block Benizakura before breaking it if she were to fight Erza is Kyria's place.

Do I think Erza can attack Kyria with Benizakura and win? Sure, if the attack manages to land, like Lucy's attack did.

So unless you think Erza's fists > Erza +Benizakura or any of her swords, my point stands.


Even Laxus used magical attacks to beat Kyria, Skullion, Madmole and also would need it to beat Mirajane but you all think Erza with no armors or swords can do the same or worst when she's at best on par with Laxus? How does that make any sense? Because she had a POF of moment vs Kyoka arcs ago?


Laxus destroyed Skullion and Madmole without much effort and Erza is roughly on the same level. Mirajane has nothing in her arsenal that could put Erza down.
Erza needed enchantment and swords to fight Laxus and be on his level. Barehanded she loses to him easily.
Laxus used his lightning to beat Skullion and Madmole. He didn't just punch them which is the equivalent of Erza with no swords, armors or magical attacks.
 
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Yeah and Erza + Benizakura was outmatched by Kyria. BSS Mira tied with Skullion.

Tell me more about how Erza with no weapons or armors can beat BSS Mirajane. And you want to talk about wanking? Erza herself thought Kyria was strong and was impressed that Laxus beat her. But sure, Erza with her hands are capable of beating Mirajane going all out in BSS.

So Base Erza > Erza + Benizakura?

Without power of friendship Base Erza is not beating BSS Mira. The fact that people are arguing this shows how ridiculous this fandom is.
Kyria is stronger than Skullion and outmatching Benizakura is a better feat than struggling with BSS. Even if she doesn’t have her swords she can tank everything Mirajane can throw at her until she is exhausted. She tanked Laxus’ Red Lightning which would one shot any form of Mirajane by feats. Of course she needed her swords to fight Laxus but it doesn’t matter since Laxus would one shot Mirajane without trying like he did to Madmole and Skullion.
Mirajane can’t beat Skullion with BSS so there’s no way she can beat Base Erza who has better feats than Skullion. She will just be a punching ball for Erza even without swords. I don’t understand why Mirajane is pushed as Erza’s equal when Erza beat people far stronger than Mirajane. The fact that Erza must be nerfed in this match shows how much Mira is far from Erza.
 

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Kyria is stronger than Skullion and outmatching Benizakura is a better feat than struggling with BSS. Even if she doesn’t have her swords she can tank everything Mirajane can throw at her until she is exhausted. She tanked Laxus’ Red Lightning which would one shot any form of Mirajane by feats. Of course she needed her swords to fight Laxus but it doesn’t matter since Laxus would one shot Mirajane without trying like he did to Madmole and Skullion.
Mirajane can’t beat Skullion with BSS so there’s no way she can beat Base Erza who has better feats than Skullion. She will just be a punching ball for Erza even without swords. I don’t understand why Mirajane is pushed as Erza’s equal when Erza beat people far stronger than Mirajane. The fact that Erza must be nerfed in this match shows how much Mira is far from Erza.
Lol no she isn't. He's clearly the leader and already shown above Madmole, and as far as I remember Laxus did not one shot them as far as we saw but he did low diff them like he did Kyria. Kyria was beaten by Lucy and her power said to be on the level of her star dress mix spells. She only has hax in her side. Skullion low diffed Gray and tied with BSS Mirajane. BSS Mirajane no sold star dress mix spells and still is wanked by Lucy and Gray after the former beat Kyria. Clear as day Mirajane is stronger and if BSS =Skullion then so is he.

By your logic it doesn't matter who Mirajane fights because in your mind it would always mean her opponent is miles below Erza's even if their enemies are close, simply because she's Erza.

Just because Kyria went toe to toe with Erza, not even her strongest form, people illogically believe that Kyria can outclass Mirajane in any form?

I know Lucy fans need Kyria to be stronger than Skullion because Lucy beat her and Mirajane tied with Skullion after overwhelming Lucy but please.

Are you actually implying that there is a massive gap between Kyria and Skullion where Skullion is the weaker one? How do you know red lightning would one shot any form of Mirajane? Is there a feat to support this or a statement? Also Mirajane's other forms low diff BSS so 'any form' is laughable.

It's laughable that you guys would think that Erza with none of her weapons or magic would beat BSS Mirajane. As if Mashima would write that or the story would support that after we saw how much stronger BSS is than Lucy, Gray, Gajeel and how Mira has been wanked and is still being wanked in the story.

Did it ever occur to you that, even if Mirajane is weaker than Erza, that she is not miles below her?

Laxus and Jellal would need to use their magic to beat Mirajane but sure Erza does it with no swords, armors or magic.
 
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Lol no she isn't. He's clearly the leader and already shown above Madmole, and as far as I remember Laxus did not one shot them as far as we saw but he did low diff them like he did Kyria.
the fight was off screen so we really don’t know what happened (we do know Laxus won easily)
 

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the fight was off screen so we really don’t know what happened (we do know Laxus won easily)
Exactly, we have no proof that he one shot them. We only know he low diffed them.
 

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Exactly, we have no proof that he one shot them. We only know he low diffed them.
True, (I would have said the same thing if someone said he one shot them as well)
 

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Lol no she isn't. He's clearly the leader and already shown above Madmole, and as far as I remember Laxus did not one shot them as far as we saw but he did low diff them like he did Kyria. Kyria was beaten by Lucy and her power said to be on the level of her star dress mix spells. She only has hax in her side. Skullion low diffed Gray and tied with BSS Mirajane. BSS Mirajane no sold star dress mix spells and still is wanked by Lucy and Gray after the former beat Kyria. Clear as day Mirajane is stronger and if BSS =Skullion then so is he.

By your logic it doesn't matter who Mirajane fights because in your mind it would always mean her opponent is miles below Erza's even if their enemies are close, simply because she's Erza.

Just because Kyria went toe to toe with Erza, not even her strongest form, people illogically believe that Kyria can outclass Mirajane in any form?

I know Lucy fans need Kyria to be stronger than Skullion because Lucy beat her and Mirajane tied with Skullion after overwhelming Lucy but please.

Are you actually implying that there is a massive gap between Kyria and Skullion where Skullion is the weaker one? How do you know red lightning would one shot any form of Mirajane? Is there a feat to support this or a statement? Also Mirajane's other forms low diff BSS so 'any form' is laughable.

It's laughable that you guys would think that Erza with none of her weapons or magic would beat BSS Mirajane. As if Mashima would write that or the story would support that after we saw how much stronger BSS is than Lucy, Gray, Gajeel and how Mira has been wanked and is still being wanked in the story.

Did it ever occur to you that, even if Mirajane is weaker than Erza, that she is not miles below her?

Laxus and Jellal would need to use their magic to beat Mirajane but sure Erza does it with no swords, armors or magic.
Please tell me when it is shown in the manga that Skullion is stronger than Kyria and Madmole. By representation, they are equal, and Kyria has better feats as she could beat Laxus with her hypnosis while Skullion was stomped. Kyria would have beaten Gray, even without hypnosis. She matched Erza's red pants. Red Pants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BSS. Red Pants could hurt Human Irene while BSS was stomped by her fodders. And Erza was tired from all her fighting which means her durability is much higher than Mirajane.

Yes, Erza's opponents are much stronger than Mirajane's opponents. Mirajane only fought Lucy Gray Skullion, and failed to beat them while Erza fought Laxus Misaki and the sisters who would trample Mirajane.

Yes and why not? Erza's weakest form is superior to all of Mirajane's forms. Mirajane is draining too much magic from her forms. Even Skullion wore her down to the point where Gray could beat her. Do you really see a tired Erza losing to Gray? She stopped his strongest attack with her bare hands. It's too shameful to compare a glass cannon like Mira with a tank like Erza. Like I said, she will tank all of Mirajane's attacks until she runs out like Skullion did and she will beat her with her fists.

Yes Red Lightning one shot any form of Mirajane. Red Lightning could hurt Kirin who is miles away from Skullion Kyria and Mirajane levels. And we don't have any feats from Mirajane's strong forms while we have feats from Red Lightning against Erza and Wahl.

It’s laughable to think that BSS Mirajane would even scratch Base Erza when she tanked much stronger attacks in her red pants. Not having swords does not take away her stamina and durability.

WOW she is stronger than Gray Lucy and Gajeel? Cool Base Erza would beat them all at once so I don't care.

I understand that you love Mirajane but unfortunately for you she is very far from Erza's level. I want a canonical statement from the manga that says they are in the same tier otherwise I won't buy it.
 

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Please tell me when it is shown in the manga that Skullion is stronger than Kyria and Madmole. By representation, they are equal, and Kyria has better feats as she could beat Laxus with her hypnosis while Skullion was stomped. Kyria would have beaten Gray, even without hypnosis. She matched Erza's red pants. Red Pants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BSS. Red Pants could hurt Human Irene while BSS was stomped by her fodders. And Erza was tired from all her fighting which means her durability is much higher than Mirajane.
Kyria's hax is not part of her general power level and you know that. You're being purposefully obtuse.
BSS is capable of low diffing Gray just like Skullion did. Kyria's spells without her hax are now considered to be on the same level of Lucy's star dress mix spells and she herself was done in by a star dress mix spell. Mira is still being wanked by that same Lucy and is clearly above Lucy's arsenal.

And even if Kyria and Skullion are equals, BSS still did better than Red pants Erza with Benizakura since the former tied and the other was temporarily outmatched and then Erza needed a new, stronger, ability.

On topic how would Erza with no sword or armor beat Mirajane with BSS which is the topic of this thread. She was not in base to fight Kyria and likely wouldn't need it for Skullion but Mira's the exception because?

Yes, Erza's opponents are much stronger than Mirajane's opponents. Mirajane only fought Lucy Gray Skullion, and failed to beat them while Erza fought Laxus Misaki and the sisters who would trample Mirajane.
And that's irrelevant to my point that even if their opponents are similar, you would claim that Erza's is far beyond i.e. Kyria >Skullion. Kyria needs hax to beat people above her. Her general power level is below Mirajane's and close to Lucy.

Yes and why not? Erza's weakest form is superior to all of Mirajane's forms. Mirajane is draining too much magic from her forms. Even Skullion wore her down to the point where Gray could beat her. Do you really see a tired Erza losing to Gray? She stopped his strongest attack with her bare hands. It's too shameful to compare a glass cannon like Mira with a tank like Erza. Like I said, she will tank all of Mirajane's attacks until she runs out like Skullion did and she will beat her with her fists.
Mirajane didn't run out of magic fighting Lucy, Skullion and Gray back to back with all three seemingly going all out but she'll run out fighting Erza with no defense or offense. How would that even make sense? No she wouldn't since she needed swords to fight the weaker, Kyria.

Um yes, heavily injured Erza can lose to full powered healthy Gray. She stopped one attack, arguably because of POF and it was still damaging her. DES Gray going all out can logically beat up a heavily beat up Erza. Oh yeah I forgot, because injured Mira fought him extreme diff, you already automatically declared that heavily injured, weakened Erza can't possibly lose vs him in the same situation. lol

Also, portrayal wise, Mirajane is someone Natsu, Lucy and Gray are still wanking as strong why would she fail to beat Erza when the latter has no armors, swords and thus, no magic?

Yes Red Lightning one shot any form of Mirajane. Red Lightning could hurt Kirin who is miles away from Skullion Kyria and Mirajane levels. And we don't have any feats from Mirajane's strong forms while we have feats from Red Lightning against Erza and Wahl.
You have no evidence that red lightning can one shot any form of Mirajane. And BSS Mirajane who was comparable to Skullion is low diff material for all of her stronger forms.

Lol Kyria levels? Kyria is now shown to be star dress mix Lucy leveled. That's below Mirajane even in BSS.

It’s laughable to think that BSS Mirajane would even scratch Base Erza when she tanked much stronger attacks in her red pants. Not having swords does not take away her stamina and durability.

WOW she is stronger than Gray Lucy and Gajeel? Cool Base Erza would beat them all at once so I don't care.
No it's laughable to think that defenseless Erza who was being hurt by DES Gray in Alvarez, since we want to bring that arc up, would just completely tank BSS Mirajane, who is stronger than DES Gray, going all out against her.

No she wouldn't. Erza needed a sword to skirmish with Kyria. Lucy's spells are Kyria leveled and Gray and Gajeel are both stronger than Lucy. How does that equal Erza without a sword or armor beating all 3 at once?

I understand that you love Mirajane but unfortunately for you she is very far from Erza's level. I want a canonical statement from the manga that says they are in the same tier otherwise I won't buy it.
Who said anything about Erza being equal to Mirajane though? I said she did better vs Skullion with BSS than Benizakura did vs Kyria so logically BSS Mirajane beats Erza with no sword, armor and thus related magic for these.
 
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