Theory battle vs the top ten high schoolers match order/outcome prediction

[sisco]

my predication of the matches look something like this

doubles 3
#9 ochi/#10 mouri vs niou/atobe = niou/atobe win

doubles 2
#8 tohno/#7kimijima vs marui/kite = tohno/kimiijima win (to me it's hinted slightly that tohno and kimijima might be doubles partners. i REALLY hope kimijima isn't a data player and we are thrown for a loop that he's a tech player or MAYBE even a power player! would be perfect to give the high schooler's their first win since no one cares all that much for marui or kite i think. and it's hinted marui and kite could team up so seems to fit. and with tohno wanting to deal it with blood he's gonna mess up the man known as killer "kite" and the volley specialist marui.

doubles 1
#6 oomagari/#5 oni vs akutsu/kintaro = akutsu/kirihara win (obviously it's hinted akutsu will play oni, but now he has problems with oomagari too so it seems fitting. i'm throwing kintaro in the mix since he didn't show everything he had against the fodder high school player and i believe should be in the top 10 anyway. time to show a new technique/power up from the mountain training.

singles 4
#4 ryoga vs yukimura = ryoga win(for some reason i dont think echizen will play, it's WAY too cliche and it's been done, i think it's more interesting this way, with yukimura getting his first loss of the series. ironically to an echizen. i dont know seems fitting to me. yips broken by ryogas version of TnK.

singles 3
#3 duke vs fuji = fuji win (FINALLY fuji's first full match and appearance we've been waiting for. fuji will be much stronger from his loss against tezuka and i think will have a new amazing counter. the match will be even at first but then fuji will destroy duke with the new counter and improved play style. i also hope duke isn't a typical power player and every one things he should be just by his size, i hope he's a tech player also/all rounder or maybe even a data player! now that would be something if he was.

singles 2
#2 tanegashima vs sanada = match ends in a draw/no game. (seems it's hinted it would be either kaidoh or sanada to play tanegashima and i'm going with sanada since he's way stronger and should be in the top 10. also to finally see black aura in action. but just to keep us in suspense and since tanegashima should be really strong i think whey will both be exhausted from the battle and not be able to continue.

singles 1
#1 byoudouin vs tokugawa = TWIST- (byoudouin and tokugawa is neck and neck at first but then by byoudouin beats tokugawa down in the end. tokugawa is still not on byoudouins level and has not surpassed him. since the shuffle is a tie so far, and because byoudouin is so cocky he'll gift the middle schoolers by playing a second match and ryoma is choosen for the tie breaker "of course because he's the main character" an epic match starts. byoudouin is beating echizen down until ryoma unlocks an improved controlled version of TnK and eventually wins the match. and then the top ten looks like this

#1 ryoma
#2 sanada
#3 fuji
#4 yukimura
#5 akustu
#6 kintaro
#7 kite
#8 marui
#9 atobe
#10 niou

 

[Brandnewkid]

singles 3
#3 duke vs fuji = fuji win (FINALLY fuji's first full match and appearance we've been waiting for. fuji will be much stronger from his loss against tezuka and i think will have a new amazing counter. the match will be even at first but then fuji will destroy duke with the new counter and improved play style. i also hope duke isn't a typical power player and every one things he should be just by his size, i hope he's a tech player also/all rounder or maybe even a data player! now that would be something if he was.

I don't think there's much you can do with power players. When it comes to them, it's pretty much a martial arts battle; it all boils down to "I can send the other guy flying higher than he can send me with this technique!"

 

[sisco]

I don't think there's much you can do with power players. When it comes to them, it's pretty much a martial arts battle; it all boils down to "I can send the other guy flying higher than he can send me with this technique!"

thats why i'm praying duke is NOT a power player. it's so cliche and it's been done. come on konomi keep us guessing -_- thats why i said i hope duke is a tech player or data player. at any rate, even if duke is a typical power player, Fuji will STILL win because he's awesome and the plot calls for him to win anyway with a new technique.

 

[Brandnewkid]

thats why i'm praying duke is NOT a power player. it's so cliche and it's been done. come on konomi keep us guessing -_- thats why i said i hope duke is a tech player or data player. at any rate, even if duke is a typical power player, Fuji will STILL win because he's awesome and the plot calls for him to win anyway with a new technique.

Fuji's new Counters allow him to summon legendary Japanese creatures to the court and takes the win. His Shou-ou Gaeshi summons a phoenix to the court from the sky to deliver the ball to the opponent's court. Duke won't stand a chance.

 

[LetalHawk]

I prefer these matches as I predicted in other chapter discussion thread:

Niou/Atobe vs Ochi/Mouri: Niou/Atobe win with Niou becoming Atobe and confusing the opponent or becoming Yukimura and destroy them.

Tohno/Kimijima vs Shiraishi/Kirihara: Tohno/Kimijima win

Fuji vs Ohmagari: Fuji wins. He needs his moment and to completely show a variety of new techniques.

Oni vs Akutsu: Not sure here, but I prefer that Akutsu wins.

Ryoma vs Ryoga or Irie vs Ryoga: As I think Ryoga will defeat Irie, I prefer a brother match with Ryoma completely evolving and taking the match in the end.

Duke vs Yukimura: Yukimura wins, if Duke's a power player, then Yukimura will crush him.

Sanada vs Tanegashima: Altough Tanegashima is a beast and all, Sanada needs a victory since his humiliating defeat against Yukimura. BA, I wonder how strong it'll be.

Tokugawa vs Byodouin: Tokugawa, completely. He needs his revenge.

That's all, I think Konomi won't change it much.
The final list should be like this:

No.10 Niou
No.9 Atobe
No.8 Tohno
No.7 Kimijima
No.6 Fuji
No.5 Oni
No.4 Echizen
No.3 Yukimura
No.2 Sanada
No.1 Tokugawa

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

I really want to see what Konomi can think of for new Fuji counters. I have so far come up with 4 counters myself and you know how difficult that is? You have to consider the physics, the logic, etc. I want to see if Konomi can top what I have done. This link is to my ideas if you want to see (warning, lots of physics explanations)
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/72818-Idea-for-Fuji-counter

 

[FrostyMouse]

Kaoz and I believe in this for the line up for the challengers:

No. 1 Kazuya
No. 2 Yukimura
No. 3 Irie
No. 4 Kintarou
No. 5 Akutsu
No. 6 Echizen
No. 7 Sanada
No. 8 Fuji
No. 9 Atobe
No. 10 Niou

We see the top 10 as looking like this at the end of the shuffle matches:

No. 1 Kazuya
No. 2 Shuuji
No. 3 Irie
No. 4 Ryoga
No. 5 Oni
No. 6 Echizen
No. 7 Sanada
No. 8 Fuji
No. 9 Atobe
No. 10 Niou

 

[LetalHawk]

Kaoz and I believe in this for the line up for the challengers:

No. 1 Kazuya
No. 2 Yukimura
No. 3 Irie
No. 4 Kintarou
No. 5 Akutsu
No. 6 Echizen
No. 7 Sanada
No. 8 Fuji
No. 9 Atobe
No. 10 Niou

We see the top 10 as looking like this at the end of the shuffle matches:

No. 1 Kazuya
No. 2 Shuuji
No. 3 Irie
No. 4 Ryoga
No. 5 Oni
No. 6 Echizen
No. 7 Sanada
No. 8 Fuji
No. 9 Atobe
No. 10 Niou

Why Kintarou? And why Sanada not No.2?

I think it's a good list except Kintarou facing Ryoga and Yukimura facing Shuuji, they'll get crushed, and I want to see Sanada taking Shuuji's spot. Sanada is right now stronger than Kimijima, Ohmagari, and even Oni, and I'm pretty sure about it.

 

[FrostyMouse]

Why Kintarou? And why Sanada not No.2?

I think it's a good list except Kintarou facing Ryoga and Yukimura facing Shuuji, they'll get crushed, and I want to see Sanada taking Shuuji's spot. Sanada is right now stronger than Kimijima, Ohmagari, and even Oni, and I'm pretty sure about it.

Shuuji's gotten a lot of development so far, so there's no point in just eliminating him.

Oni > Sanada as Oni has 10 balls at once and Sanada doesn't, so that's no contest at the moment. Sanada needs to gain 10 balls at once and probably some other stuff before he can beat Oni. Sanada/Fuji works as a doubles team, but that doesn't mean that I'm saying that Sanada's weak. It's just that other players need to play singles more than he does.

Kintarou and Yukimura are just players that can be beaten down to show the strengths of Ryoga and Shuuji, respectively.

Look, eventually Echizen and Sanada will stand at the top of the U-17 Japanese Team, but for the moment they don't need to. You act as if they have to suddenly beat past everyone. Echizen > Sanada at the moment, so I don't see why you're not complaining about me putting Echizen as No. 6. Why do you want Sanada as No. 2 anyway?

 

[LetalHawk]

Because I just see Sanada too strong to be No.7, while his Black Aura could own almost everybody else.

Also, there is no proof that Sanada can't hit 10, he can hit 5 but in the time that Echizen and Kintarou could hit also 5, we don't know how many he can hit right now.

 

[Crasher]

my predication of the matches look something like this

doubles 3
#9 ochi/#10 mouri vs niou/atobe = niou/atobe win
doubles 2
#8 tohno/#7kimijima vs marui/kite = tohno/kimiijima win (to me it's hinted slightly that tohno and kimijima might be doubles partners. i REALLY hope kimijima isn't a data player and we are thrown for a loop that he's a tech player or MAYBE even a power player! would be perfect to give the high schooler's their first win since no one cares all that much for marui or kite i think. and it's hinted marui and kite could team up so seems to fit. and with tohno wanting to deal it with blood he's gonna mess up the man known as killer "kite" and the volley specialist marui.

doubles 1
#6 oomagari/#5 oni vs akutsu/kintaro = akutsu/kirihara win (obviously it's hinted akutsu will play oni, but now he has problems with oomagari too so it seems fitting. i'm throwing kintaro in the mix since he didn't show everything he had against the fodder high school player and i believe should be in the top 10 anyway. time to show a new technique/power up from the mountain training.

singles 4
#4 ryoga vs yukimura = ryoga win(for some reason i dont think echizen will play, it's WAY too cliche and it's been done, i think it'Ds more interesting this way, with yukimura getting his first loss of the series. ironically to an echizen. i dont know seems fitting to me. yips broken by ryogas version of TnK.

singles 3
#3 duke vs fuji = fuji win (FINALLY fuji's first full match and appearance we've been waiting for. fuji will be much stronger from his loss against tezuka and i think will have a new amazing counter. the match will be even at first but then fuji will destroy duke with the new counter and improved play style. i also hope duke isn't a typical power player and every one things he should be just by his size, i hope he's a tech player also/all rounder or maybe even a data player! now that would be something if he was.

singles 2
#2 tanegashima vs sanada = match ends in a draw/no game. (seems it's hinted it would be either kaidoh or sanada to play tanegashima and i'm going with sanada since he's way stronger and should be in the top 10. also to finally see black aura in action. but just to keep us in suspense and since tanegashima should be really strong i think whey will both be exhausted from the battle and not be able to continue.

singles 1
#1 byoudouin vs tokugawa = TWIST- (byoudouin and tokugawa is neck and neck at first but then by byoudouin beats tokugawa down in the end. tokugawa is still not on byoudouins level and has not surpassed him. since the shuffle is a tie so far, and because byoudouin is so cocky he'll gift the middle schoolers by playing a second match and ryoma is choosen for the tie breaker "of course because he's the main character" an epic match starts. byoudouin is beating echizen down until ryoma unlocks an improved controlled version of TnK and eventually wins the match. and then the top ten looks like this

#1 ryoma
#2 sanada
#3 fuji
#4 yukimura
#5 akustu
#6 kintaro
#7 kite
#8 marui
#9 atobe
#10 niou

This is the exact thing that I posted in the chapter 69 - 70 prediction and discussion thread...

---------- Post added at 08:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:20 PM ----------

#1 byoduin vs kazuya --> Kazuya but Ryoma will revenge and take the number 1 Spot
#2 Shuuji vs Sanada --> Sanada win (he can now control the BA)
#3 Duke vs Fuji --> Fuji win (if Duke is a power player then Fuji will find a way to counter it)
#4 Ryoga vs Shiraishi or Yukimura --> Ryoga will lose
#5/6 Oni/Oomagari vs Akutsu/Kirihara --> Akutsu/Kirihara will win
#7/8 Tohno/Kimijima vs Kite/Marui --> Tohno/Kimijma will win (but the I think Shiraishi/Kintaro will battle them and take the spot)
#9/10 Ochi/Muuri vs Atobe/Niou --> Atobe/Niou will win (Niou will transform to Atobe and perform Double Atobe Kingdom then finish the game with Tango to destruction Lol)

Haha! That's my prediction though.. Sorry about the comment a while ago its not the exact post but almost the same post from the previous threads...

 

[FrostyMouse]

Because I just see Sanada too strong to be No.7, while his Black Aura could own almost everybody else.

Also, there is no proof that Sanada can't hit 10, he can hit 5 but in the time that Echizen and Kintarou could hit also 5, we don't know how many he can hit right now.

Okay, look. Until you see Sanada hit 10 at once, he can't hit 10 at once. You can't just assume that someone can do more than is shown. Echizen can currently hit 10 at once and Sanada can hit 5 at once; therefore, according to the explanation of the Mountain Coach, Echizen > Sanada. BA is probably pretty good, but you're overrating it. The Mountain Coach made it clear that it really didn't matter what you had if you couldn't match Kazuya and Oni in terms of X at once feats.

 

[LetalHawk]

Okay, look. Until you see Sanada hit 10 at once, he can't hit 10 at once. You can't just assume that someone can do more than is shown. Echizen can currently hit 10 at once and Sanada can hit 5 at once; therefore, according to the explanation of the Mountain Coach, Echizen > Sanada. BA is probably pretty good, but you're overrating it. The Mountain Coach made it clear that it really didn't matter what you had if you couldn't match Kazuya and Oni in terms of X at once feats.

Fair enough. But we can assume that eventually Sanada will get into the top 3.

Also, people are saying that Ryoga will lose against Yukimura, really? are you guys serious? what the hell, Ryoga would win easily with 6-2 or 6-3, Yukimura would give a good match but Ryoga would play seriously after joking and defeat him.

And now I changed my mind, Ryoma should be in a higher spot than Ryoga since he's probably stronger, most likely that Byodouin defeats Tokugawa and wishes a second match and Ryoma beats him or I prefer that Tokugawa beats him and becomes No.1 for some time, then Ryoma asks for a rematch and defeats him, proving that he is the best U-17 Japan Player, even stronger than the likes of Byodouin. Everybody would aim at Echizen and request matches to defeat him, but Echizen won't lose his No.1 spot when he gets it, he is the strongest.

 

[FrostyMouse]

Fair enough. But we can assume that eventually Sanada will get into the top 3.

Most likely he'll end up there, but until he gets his match and whatever power up he gains, assuming that he plays before Echizen, he's below Echizen.

Also, people are saying that Ryoga will lose against Yukimura, really? are you guys serious? what the hell, Ryoga would win easily with 6-2 or 6-3, Yukimura would give a good match but Ryoga would play seriously after joking and defeat him.

I don't know what those people are smoking. There's no way that Yuki stands any chance against Byoudouin, Kazuya, Shuuji, or Ryoga. Oni and Irie should also be above Yuki, but we don't know what they're really capable of, exactly.

And now I changed my mind, Ryoma should be in a higher spot than Ryoga since he's probably stronger, most likely that Byodouin defeats Tokugawa and wishes a second match and Ryoma beats him or I prefer that Tokugawa beats him and becomes No.1 for some time, then Ryoma asks for a rematch and defeats him, proving that he is the best U-17 Japan Player, even stronger than the likes of Byodouin. Everybody would aim at Echizen and request matches to defeat him, but Echizen won't lose his No.1 spot when he gets it, he is the strongest.

Eventually, yes, I expect Echizen to take Kazuya's No. 1 ranking away from him, but not for a good long while. Or, perhaps Kazuya gets incapacitated and Echizen plays as No. 1. While I do expect the top 5 to start out as HSers, I expect that a lot of times, they won't play or some other bs, which allows more fan favorite MSers to have singles matches. By the end, MSers will occupy most of the top 10 and all of the top spots, but not yet. :P

Currently, Echizen isn't better than Kazuya, Shuuji, Ryoga, or Oni. I see Echizen as slightly better than Irie right now, but who knows for sure. Assuming that the top 5 line up as Kazuya, Shuuji, Irie, Ryoga, and Oni, the only singles spot left is No. 6, which is why I have Echizen as No. 6.

 

[LetalHawk]

Yukimura is personally stronger than Oni and Irie, he could rape them. On the other hand, he is below Kazuya, Shuuji, and Byodouin.

If he trained in the Mountains, he would defeat them for sure, as Yukimura could hit 10 balls if he trained enough.

 

[sisco]

This is the exact thing that I posted in the chapter 69 - 70 prediction and discussion thread...

---------- Post added at 08:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:20 PM ----------

#1 byoduin vs kazuya --> Kazuya but Ryoma will revenge and take the number 1 Spot
#2 Shuuji vs Sanada --> Sanada win (he can now control the BA)
#3 Duke vs Fuji --> Fuji win (if Duke is a power player then Fuji will find a way to counter it)
#4 Ryoga vs Shiraishi or Yukimura --> Ryoga will lose
#5/6 Oni/Oomagari vs Akutsu/Kirihara --> Akutsu/Kirihara will win
#7/8 Tohno/Kimijima vs Kite/Marui --> Tohno/Kimijma will win (but the I think Shiraishi/Kintaro will battle them and take the spot)
#9/10 Ochi/Muuri vs Atobe/Niou --> Atobe/Niou will win (Niou will transform to Atobe and perform Double Atobe Kingdom then finish the game with Tango to destruction Lol)

Haha! That's my prediction though.. Sorry about the comment a while ago its not the exact post but almost the same post from the previous threads...

haha i didn't read yours at all before hand before making my list. freaky! only problem i have with your list is the loss to win ratio with you having the middle schoolers winning the majority of matches. i think konomi has to make it that some middle schoolers will lose and it will come down to the wire with echizen being the tie breaker. thats why i made my predictions the way i did. i believe one match will end in a no game/draw since thats typically what konomi has done in the past some times with his matches like he just did for the atobe vs irie match so whats to say he wont do it again? i had originally thought kirihara might play in the top ten but then i took that back since he has massive development in his shuffle match with Shiraishi, they both got a lot of development so i think it's time for some one else to get the spot light which is why i choose kintaro because he didn't even show a new move or anything when he spanked that high schooler. i dont think they should have put atobe to be play in the top 10 since he got a shit load of development against irie, only reason i feel konomi did it was because he's popular.

for ryoga vs yukimura i really think yukimura should lose because he's too overpowered and must be humbled. but i think it would be a close match though. with ryoga winning 6-4 or 7-5

for kazuya vs byoduin i just dont see kazuya winning for some reason since it's always been a theme of the series for a non central character to lose against his rival. i know kazuya is supposed to be taking over for tezuka but it's not doing it for me. kazuya will pass the reins to echizen. aside from irie i dont see oni or kazuya being on the top 20 to play international teams. at best they will just take one of the vacant spots from the 11-20 positions.

 

[perroloco]

All I can think of is that Ryoma will have a match with Ryoga, Ryoma will lose and then Ryoga will reveal himself as the USA captain or something like that.. Just a random prediction of mine.

 

[LetalHawk]

All I can think of is that Ryoma will have a match with Ryoga, Ryoma will lose and then Ryoga will reveal himself as the USA captain or something like that.. Just a random prediction of mine.

That's something pretty random and it won't happen, Ryoga will face Yukimura or Irie and win.

I prefer, tough, a brother match with Ryoma winning since Konomi won't make him lose in an official match

 

[perroloco]

@LetalHawk:
Wasn't Ryoga like part of the USA team or something like that?? I haven't watched the movie LOL. (Not that it is cannon since Konomi could change it to whatever he fells like).

 

[LetalHawk]

@LetalHawk:
Wasn't Ryoga like part of the USA team or something like that?? I haven't watched the movie LOL. (Not that it is cannon since Konomi could change it to whatever he fells like).

No, lol. Ryoga in the movie was part of SakuraFubuki team, he never played in USA team lol.

The one who played USA was Kevin Smith, altough it wasn't canon.