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The single biggest factor that affects the matchups is the format of the tournament and we still don't know what it's going to be. I talked about this a little while ago in one of the chapter threads from the angle of comparing this tournament to the two previous ones. The one in Vaizel had 8 participants and thus needed 7 matches to arrive at a single winner, whereas the one hosted by Drole and Gloxinia had 32 participants fighting in pairs and would have therefore required 15 matches for one of them to win, plus perhaps a duel between the team members to decide who takes the prize. Both tournaments ended prematurely, the first one after 6/7 matches and the second one after 4/15 matches. This ongoing Annwfyn tournament has 16 participants so if the format is 1v1s it will take 15 fights to conclude, which means that it would be practically guaranteed to end prematurely after the first round of fights due to Nakaba's unwillingness to let these tournament arcs drag on for too long. The only way this tournament can actually go all the way is if Nakaba finds a way to trim the number of fights by using a different format. The two options that come to mind are 2v2s, requiring 7 fights to find the winning team and then perhaps a final duel between the members, or 4-person free-for-alls where only the winner advances to the next round, requiring 5 fights in total. I find 2v2s to be the more likely option because that allows for more personal interactions between both the team members as well as the opponents. Then again using free-for-alls would mean that all three tournaments in the series have a different format which could help make each one feel distinct.

As for the matchups, the format of the tournament obviously greatly affects how those can go so I'll refrain from going in-depth on them for now. I will say that in my view the best way to approach this topic is to ask what kind of confrontations would be in some way meaningful? I talked about that in the chapter 164 thread and my position hasn't changed so I might as well quote that here:
As far as the potential matchups are concerned, there a few characters who have some kind of notable connections to other participants.
Percival: Tristan, Diodra, the new enemy he briefly clashed with, maybe Turret/Rothes for a rematch with the chameleon
Gawain: Tristan, the new guy
Tristan: Isolde, Chion, maybe Gowther to resolve the memory problems
Howzer: Donny, maybe the new character that defeated Edlin so that Howzer can get himself killed
The rest of the participants are basically just along for the ride, but they could still get interesting fights such as Anne and Nasiens duking it out to build up their love rivalry.
I will note that all of these connections don't necessarily have to manifest as fights since if the format ends up being a 2v2 then the team members would get a chance to interact with each other in a friendly manner. That could actually work much better for the likes of Percival and Diodra than making the two of them fight each other since such a clash would likely end in Percy's immediate victory. A similar logic also applies to Tristan and Isolde.

Another benefit of 2v2s is that it would allow for Nakaba to even the playing field since there are fairly large differences in power among the contestants. Gowther, Percival, Gawain, Tristan and the two new characters are obviously the strongest people here. There is an argument to be made for Turret/Rothes as well since he commands a Purgatory monster that was too tough for Percival's magic to cut. The other one should be pretty strong too since they work as a pair. Lastly there's Howzer who's probably not anywhere close to KotA level but whose magic was a major concern for the Platoon members so he's probably somewhere between the two groups in terms of strength. If you wanted the teams to be somewhat balanced you could pair the powerhouses with the weaker characters, for example Percival&Diodra, and then the mid tiers amongst themselves, think Turret&Rothes who should have excellent teamwork. That way almost all teams would have a fighting chance, except for whoever gets stuck with Howzer since he doesn't have any other mid tiers to pair up with unless Pelliot is way stronger than previously thought. I like Howzer&Donny and Gowther&Pelliot more though. There could even be more to this whole teaming up process if it's done with magic that pairs people up based on some kind of criteria such as how in-tune the two are with one another. Tristan could then be even more confused about why he's paired up with this girl he doesn't want to hurt for some reason. Meanwhile Diodra starts to get curious about Percival to set up some future drama for the two of them.

Well, I had hoped for more participants in this thread but it seems it is largely a dud, haha.
Your timing was quite unfortunate since most of the participants were revealed within like a day of you making this thread. I was initially going to share some of my ideas but there wasn't any point anymore after we got more information. It looks like you've managed to salvage things though.

I was bored and thinking about MUs so I did this:


I can explain my reasoning for the left side of the bracket pretty easily but it becomes harder and harder from there. We don't know who is Turret and who is Rothes but I am assuming the dark haired one is Turret for now.
I find some of your choices strange. Isolde and Chion are trying to restore Tristan's memories so why are there no interactions between him and them, especially after this recent incident with Isolde that revealed that Tristan still instinctively cares about her even in his current state? The plot basically screams for Isolde and Chion to be involved in resolving Tristan's condition and it's also an excellent opportunity to explore what the Tristan Platoon has been up to in the last two years since there are so many questions around it. What were they doing in Camelot at the time they went missing? Why didn't they try to contact Thetis to inform everyone of the situation? When did Tristan lose his memories? How did the platoon's previous encounter with the amnesiac Tristan go? How did they end up in Annwfyn? Are the platoon members aware of the second Isolde and if so, what happened with her? Tristan can't answer these questions because of his amnesia so the answers have to come from Isolde and Chion, preferably in the form of a flashback. The full truth will only come to light when it's time for Tristan to recover his memories but that reveal will flow much better if we already have some context about the situation and are just missing a few key details.

Another thing that stands out to me is the "soul girl/boy" fighting against Donny. This mystery person was the only notable participant in the preliminaries who wasn't content with just incapacitating their opponents but was instead immediately going in for the kill even against weaker opponents like Edlin. Whoever loses a fight against them will likely pay for it with their life and I doubt that's going to happen to Donny. Howzer, Turret and Rothes are the only expendable characters among the finalists who could theoretically fall victim to this girl/boy, although Gowther could serve that purpose as well since it's easy for him to have a fake-out death in the form of a beheading or something. And speaking of Howzer and Gowther, I don't really see the point of the former losing to the latter in the first round. Howzer had death flags set up for him in the volume extras so why is his only fight in the tournament one in which he is in zero danger? If he's safe during the tournament then his only chance to put himself in harm's way would be in the battle against Beltreipe where he'd likely just get in the way. I'm not even sure Howzer could pull off some kind of a heroic sacrifice to buy the others time to flee at the end of the arc given the gap between him and Beltreipe is likely pretty massive. Also, why doesn't Diodra have any further interactions with Percival in your matchups? The more Diodra knows about and ideally likes Percival the more of a shock it will be when Percy's cover is finally blown.

Gowther vs Ghost Girl also is a matchup that is imo likely because they make good antagonists ability-wise if our assumptions on Ghost Girl's skillset are correct. Gowther is going to advance.
The "ghost girl" is almost certainly going to face Percival in this tournament given their earlier clash, which means that if Gowther ends up matched against her he will have to lose that fight.
 

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The single biggest factor that affects the matchups is the format of the tournament and we still don't know what it's going to be. I talked about this a little while ago in one of the chapter threads from the angle of comparing this tournament to the two previous ones. The one in Vaizel had 8 participants and thus needed 7 matches to arrive at a single winner, whereas the one hosted by Drole and Gloxinia had 32 participants fighting in pairs and would have therefore required 15 matches for one of them to win, plus perhaps a duel between the team members to decide who takes the prize. Both tournaments ended prematurely, the first one after 6/7 matches and the second one after 4/15 matches. This ongoing Annwfyn tournament has 16 participants so if the format is 1v1s it will take 15 fights to conclude, which means that it would be practically guaranteed to end prematurely after the first round of fights due to Nakaba's unwillingness to let these tournament arcs drag on for too long. The only way this tournament can actually go all the way is if Nakaba finds a way to trim the number of fights by using a different format. The two options that come to mind are 2v2s, requiring 7 fights to find the winning team and then perhaps a final duel between the members, or 4-person free-for-alls where only the winner advances to the next round, requiring 5 fights in total. I find 2v2s to be the more likely option because that allows for more personal interactions between both the team members as well as the opponents. Then again using free-for-alls would mean that all three tournaments in the series have a different format which could help make each one feel distinct.

As for the matchups, the format of the tournament obviously greatly affects how those can go so I'll refrain from going in-depth on them for now. I will say that in my view the best way to approach this topic is to ask what kind of confrontations would be in some way meaningful? I talked about that in the chapter 164 thread and my position hasn't changed so I might as well quote that here:

I will note that all of these connections don't necessarily have to manifest as fights since if the format ends up being a 2v2 then the team members would get a chance to interact with each other in a friendly manner. That could actually work much better for the likes of Percival and Diodra than making the two of them fight each other since such a clash would likely end in Percy's immediate victory. A similar logic also applies to Tristan and Isolde.

Another benefit of 2v2s is that it would allow for Nakaba to even the playing field since there are fairly large differences in power among the contestants. Gowther, Percival, Gawain, Tristan and the two new characters are obviously the strongest people here. There is an argument to be made for Turret/Rothes as well since he commands a Purgatory monster that was too tough for Percival's magic to cut. The other one should be pretty strong too since they work as a pair. Lastly there's Howzer who's probably not anywhere close to KotA level but whose magic was a major concern for the Platoon members so he's probably somewhere between the two groups in terms of strength. If you wanted the teams to be somewhat balanced you could pair the powerhouses with the weaker characters, for example Percival&Diodra, and then the mid tiers amongst themselves, think Turret&Rothes who should have excellent teamwork. That way almost all teams would have a fighting chance, except for whoever gets stuck with Howzer since he doesn't have any other mid tiers to pair up with unless Pelliot is way stronger than previously thought. I like Howzer&Donny and Gowther&Pelliot more though. There could even be more to this whole teaming up process if it's done with magic that pairs people up based on some kind of criteria such as how in-tune the two are with one another. Tristan could then be even more confused about why he's paired up with this girl he doesn't want to hurt for some reason. Meanwhile Diodra starts to get curious about Percival to set up some future drama for the two of them.


Your timing was quite unfortunate since most of the participants were revealed within like a day of you making this thread. I was initially going to share some of my ideas but there wasn't any point anymore after we got more information. It looks like you've managed to salvage things though.


I find some of your choices strange. Isolde and Chion are trying to restore Tristan's memories so why are there no interactions between him and them, especially after this recent incident with Isolde that revealed that Tristan still instinctively cares about her even in his current state? The plot basically screams for Isolde and Chion to be involved in resolving Tristan's condition and it's also an excellent opportunity to explore what the Tristan Platoon has been up to in the last two years since there are so many questions around it. What were they doing in Camelot at the time they went missing? Why didn't they try to contact Thetis to inform everyone of the situation? When did Tristan lose his memories? How did the platoon's previous encounter with the amnesiac Tristan go? How did they end up in Annwfyn? Are the platoon members aware of the second Isolde and if so, what happened with her? Tristan can't answer these questions because of his amnesia so the answers have to come from Isolde and Chion, preferably in the form of a flashback. The full truth will only come to light when it's time for Tristan to recover his memories but that reveal will flow much better if we already have some context about the situation and are just missing a few key details.

Another thing that stands out to me is the "soul girl/boy" fighting against Donny. This mystery person was the only notable participant in the preliminaries who wasn't content with just incapacitating their opponents but was instead immediately going in for the kill even against weaker opponents like Edlin. Whoever loses a fight against them will likely pay for it with their life and I doubt that's going to happen to Donny. Howzer, Turret and Rothes are the only expendable characters among the finalists who could theoretically fall victim to this girl/boy, although Gowther could serve that purpose as well since it's easy for him to have a fake-out death in the form of a beheading or something. And speaking of Howzer and Gowther, I don't really see the point of the former losing to the latter in the first round. Howzer had death flags set up for him in the volume extras so why is his only fight in the tournament one in which he is in zero danger? If he's safe during the tournament then his only chance to put himself in harm's way would be in the battle against Beltreipe where he'd likely just get in the way. I'm not even sure Howzer could pull off some kind of a heroic sacrifice to buy the others time to flee at the end of the arc given the gap between him and Beltreipe is likely pretty massive. Also, why doesn't Diodra have any further interactions with Percival in your matchups? The more Diodra knows about and ideally likes Percival the more of a shock it will be when Percy's cover is finally blown.


The "ghost girl" is almost certainly going to face Percival in this tournament given their earlier clash, which means that if Gowther ends up matched against her he will have to lose that fight.
nah, it's easier for all the fights in the first one to be unbalanced and too fast


It may be the case that certain fights don't even get highlighted like Donny's fights and Percival's first fight
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In my bet I put exactly the strongest ones to face the weakest ones so as not to waste time with these smaller fights, which can be resolved in 2 chapters, except for Gowther vs Ghost girl,

the other quarter final, and semi final fights should have 2 chapters or 3,

I think the tournament will be interrupted in the end because of tristan
 

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Berto and his subordinate didn't ask names. Either they'll ask now or it doesn't matter at all to them. My guess is that they"ll truly randomize the fights or they have been observing all of them and they will be "seeded" according to the number of participants that they knocked out.


The single biggest factor that affects the matchups is the format of the tournament and we still don't know what it's going to be. I talked about this a little while ago in one of the chapter threads from the angle of comparing this tournament to the two previous ones. The one in Vaizel had 8 participants and thus needed 7 matches to arrive at a single winner, whereas the one hosted by Drole and Gloxinia had 32 participants fighting in pairs and would have therefore required 15 matches for one of them to win, plus perhaps a duel between the team members to decide who takes the prize. Both tournaments ended prematurely, the first one after 6/7 matches and the second one after 4/15 matches. This ongoing Annwfyn tournament has 16 participants so if the format is 1v1s it will take 15 fights to conclude, which means that it would be practically guaranteed to end prematurely after the first round of fights due to Nakaba's unwillingness to let these tournament arcs drag on for too long. The only way this tournament can actually go all the way is if Nakaba finds a way to trim the number of fights by using a different format. The two options that come to mind are 2v2s, requiring 7 fights to find the winning team and then perhaps a final duel between the members, or 4-person free-for-alls where only the winner advances to the next round, requiring 5 fights in total. I find 2v2s to be the more likely option because that allows for more personal interactions between both the team members as well as the opponents. Then again using free-for-alls would mean that all three tournaments in the series have a different format which could help make each one feel distinct.
2v2s don't respect the spirit of the tournament IMO. All the 1v1s could also happen at the same time, with POV switch depending on what Nakaba wants to show.

I find some of your choices strange. Isolde and Chion are trying to restore Tristan's memories so why are there no interactions between him and them, especially after this recent incident with Isolde that revealed that Tristan still instinctively cares about her even in his current state? The plot basically screams for Isolde and Chion to be involved in resolving Tristan's condition and it's also an excellent opportunity to explore what the Tristan Platoon has been up to in the last two years since there are so many questions around it. What were they doing in Camelot at the time they went missing? Why didn't they try to contact Thetis to inform everyone of the situation? When did Tristan lose his memories? How did the platoon's previous encounter with the amnesiac Tristan go? How did they end up in Annwfyn? Are the platoon members aware of the second Isolde and if so, what happened with her? Tristan can't answer these questions because of his amnesia so the answers have to come from Isolde and Chion, preferably in the form of a flashback. The full truth will only come to light when it's time for Tristan to recover his memories but that reveal will flow much better if we already have some context about the situation and are just missing a few key details.
I do find some of my choices strange. I put some of them at certain places to fill the blanks. Anyway, I can definitely see Tristan VS Chion, I don't find Tristan VS Isolde as likely though. It also depends on how you believe this matter will be solved. Can it be solved by these two during the tournament? Unlikely. Plus, the other Isolde is out there and we don't know the culprit. The meat of this story will be outside of the fights and once the tournament is over IMO.


Another thing that stands out to me is the "soul girl/boy" fighting against Donny. This mystery person was the only notable participant in the preliminaries who wasn't content with just incapacitating their opponents but was instead immediately going in for the kill even against weaker opponents like Edlin. Whoever loses a fight against them will likely pay for it with their life and I doubt that's going to happen to Donny. Howzer, Turret and Rothes are the only expendable characters among the finalists who could theoretically fall victim to this girl/boy, although Gowther could serve that purpose as well since it's easy for him to have a fake-out death in the form of a beheading or something. And speaking of Howzer and Gowther, I don't really see the point of the former losing to the latter in the first round. Howzer had death flags set up for him in the volume extras so why is his only fight in the tournament one in which he is in zero danger? If he's safe during the tournament then his only chance to put himself in harm's way would be in the battle against Beltreipe where he'd likely just get in the way. I'm not even sure Howzer could pull off some kind of a heroic sacrifice to buy the others time to flee at the end of the arc given the gap between him and Beltreipe is likely pretty massive. Also, why doesn't Diodra have any further interactions with Percival in your matchups? The more Diodra knows about and ideally likes Percival the more of a shock it will be when Percy's cover is finally blown.
People probably died offscreen. It's a tournament with plenty of prisoners after all. As for Donny, he could lose and survive because of outside interference (Howzer, Percival or someone saves him from death). Gowther as he is now, in this tournament is the mysterious strong character that the cast know but is hiding his identity, like Jackie Chun in DB or Ku:Nel Sanders in Negima. These guys usually defeat at least one ally in tournaments.

As for Percival VS Diodra, it's because I was thinking of a way this tournament could be used to intensify Diodra's hatred for the KoAs. Percival doesn't fight him but defeats one of his bodyguards. The other is defeated by Gawain or a platoon member. Diodra learns the truth and fights Percival, but not during an official match. I think they'll interact a lot, but not during the fights. Percival interacts with him and Diodra takes a liking to him, but he ends up learning who he really is. Something like that.

Tristan's hair being cut and the arena being under a spell(which would spell doom for the loser) are two developments I can see happening.
 

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Tristan VS Isolde still means that one will have to defeat the other. And Tristan is definitely not losing. I don't know what you mean "I was all about teens sorting out their messes together". I was never against the Sins being relevant, but they shouldn't overshadow the current main cast obviously.
No, it doesn't, I don't understand why you're so hung up on all MUs winding up as genuine fights or Tristan VS Isolde being one of the first confrontations, with one contestan thoroughly defeating the other, even when Cain Barzad was matched up against Mel he eventually threw the fight because they also sorted out their conflict by talking it out during the fight. When, later on, Escanor was MU against Gowther, he attacked the organisers. Meliodas vs Diane in the first Vaizel FF was interrupted by New Gen Guila, Jericho and maracas dude. Something like these incidents is likely to happen here, but you claim we'll only have regular fights or that it will only be an adult solving Tristan's memory issues, when, ever since Tristan's reappearance in this arc, we got emphatic hints and foreshadowing that this Isolde is highly relevant to him and his memory issues, because whoever or whatever messed it up still didn't manage to erase "Isolde"'s importance to him. In fact, it's relying on it.
And I can't believe I have to spell it out for you that Tristan's subconscious unwillingness to attack Isolde can very easily be used as a power equaliser between the two, where Isolde finally gets the courage to smack him around a bit( for his own good), or we might even end up with them being the comedic MU, something between the King VS Cain, Meliodas VS Diane( when the girls in the audience, paid by Ban, made Meliodas seem like a philanderer to Diane) and Meliodas and Ban VS the blue demons; Nakaba can very easily have the two at a stalemate, unable to attack one another, starting to argue about the memory issue( we could even get a flashback to the event that started their whole romantic subplot, likely when he gifted her her first ribbon, cause she still has the 2nd? one, tied to her right upper arm), her more successfully triggering his memory, to Chion's despair on the sidelines, and drawing Berto's attention which finally overrides the ring's effect and has the two recognised, triggering the mayhem and getting Gowther, the other supporting adults and Gawain and Co ready to confront the Chaos gang.
It's not about genuine beef between them though? Tristan doesn't even have his memories.
You were reaching for whatever personal conflict that might give their MU credibility, and there's no MU better supported by personal conflict than Tristan VS Isolde, or Tristan and Isolde IF Nakaba goes for duos.
 

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Caperdonich did ask for their names and said the MUs will be random after all. I guess their "number" will be in the order they revealed their names. So Percival 1, Gawain 5 and Tantris 12.

No, it doesn't, I don't understand why you're so hung up on all MUs winding up as genuine fights or Tristan VS Isolde being one of the first confrontations, with one contestan thoroughly defeating the other, even when Cain Barzad was matched up against Mel he eventually threw the fight because they also sorted out their conflict by talking it out during the fight. When, later on, Escanor was MU against Gowther, he attacked the organisers. Meliodas vs Diane in the first Vaizel FF was interrupted by New Gen Guila, Jericho and maracas dude. Something like these incidents is likely to happen here, but you claim we'll only have regular fights or that it will only be an adult solving Tristan's memory issues, when, ever since Tristan's reappearance in this arc, we got emphatic hints and foreshadowing that this Isolde is highly relevant to him and his memory issues, because whoever or whatever messed it up still didn't manage to erase "Isolde"'s importance to him. In fact, it's relying on it.
And I can't believe I have to spell it out for you that Tristan's subconscious unwillingness to attack Isolde can very easily be used as a power equaliser between the two, where Isolde finally gets the courage to smack him around a bit( for his own good), or we might even end up with them being the comedic MU, something between the King VS Cain, Meliodas VS Diane( when the girls in the audience, paid by Ban, made Meliodas seem like a philanderer to Diane) and Meliodas and Ban VS the blue demons; Nakaba can very easily have the two at a stalemate, unable to attack one another, starting to argue about the memory issue( we could even get a flashback to the event that started their whole romantic subplot, likely when he gifted her her first ribbon, cause she still has the 2nd? one, tied to her right upper arm), her more successfully triggering his memory, to Chion's despair on the sidelines, and drawing Berto's attention which finally overrides the ring's effect and has the two recognised, triggering the mayhem and getting Gowther, the other supporting adults and Gawain and Co ready to confront the Chaos gang.
So, what are you envisioning during a potential fight between them exactly? Tristan fights, regains his memories and gives up? The opposite? Cain is nowhere near as important as Isolde or Tristan. Escanor's fight against Gowther interrupted the tournament. I do believe an interruption is likely, but not from this fight. Reluctance to attack wouldn't really work as "power equalizer". At best, it'll allow her to hit him more. It's not like his strength, durability and speed/reflexes will decrease. And that's assuming that she has the resolve to attack him without holding back too.

You were reaching for whatever personal conflict that might give their MU credibility, and there's no MU better supported by personal conflict than Tristan VS Isolde, or Tristan and Isolde IF Nakaba goes for duos.
Tristan is in conflict with everyone here by default because he has different goals. Tristan VS Isolde or Chion, would still be one-sided from Tristan's side.

What is their conflict with him exactly? He is mistaken because he thinks they are his and Isolde 2's ennemies. We dont know what is Isolde 2 exactly but they aren't his ennemies.
 
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