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Chapter Boku no Hero Academia 187 Discussion / 188 Predictions Thread

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    More of the Todoroki family! I guess we'll know for sure if that Dabi theory is correct or not.
     
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    This chapter is going to trigger quite a bit of people. Todoroki's mom, Todoroki Rei basically says that she doesn't know what Endeavour is thinking but he's trying to seriously face his past and "his blood". I feel like this will trigger the hardcore people who refuse to give Endeavour any leeway for trying to make right what he did in the past, even more because its his wife that is saying he's trying to face things seriously.

    Also Todoroki's brother, Todoroki Natsuo, doesn't refer to Endeavour with a particularly respective noun. Its akin to "that guy". It has a distant nuance. You don't really refer to your dad with the word he uses here.
     
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    Okey Hawk´s Quirk is actually pretty good
    Those feathers are strong!
     
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    Hmmm, this is quite interesting. It's undeniable that there will be people triggered by this. The fact that his wife is saying this implies that she doesn't necessarily completely hate her husband's guts after the things he's done(or possibly done)?

    Regardless, I feel as if I'm gonna see more Endeavor/Todoroki discussions pop up in the subreddit soon, go figure.

    Anyways, what are your all guys' thoughts on this?
     
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    Hawks aside for now, I've always found the "Irredeemable Endeavour" discussions silly. Any person, if willing, should be redeemable. They have to go through a hell comparable to their "sins" but to say a guy is irredeemable is just narrow-minded. The entire point of heroes is to save a person, whether that be from physical danger or mental anguish or from their past mistakes. If, after a chance at redemption is given and there is no change, then you can start waving your cross. Endeavour is in a delicate situation right now. He has the highest number of cases solved and power wise, he's one of the strongest in Japan. Does the government and more importantly,do the people want to lose such a reliable guy now that All Might is gone?

    Hawks is interesting. His wings are an application of his quirk. I wonder what the range is. Its written that he can control each feather but up to what point and for how long once its left his body? Either way, I'd suspect it requires a huge amount of training to get to his current level, which is even more incredible considering he's only 22. I'd say he's pretty much an older, more laid-back Mirio. Give him some more time and he'll most likely take No.1.
     
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    If Hawks is so cool in this chapter, I would like to see Endeavor, who is surely much better than him.
     
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    We have seen some really incredible control from the pros, Edgesot can transform faster than sound, Jeanist's range and speed etc. Endeavor's Quirk is also active pretty much all the time, I don't remember seeing Hawks without wings so if it's an application as you said he is the same. I can't read Japanese but it's hard for me to imagine a Quirk harder to use than Permeation.
     
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    the concept of "redemption" is silly...

    who is to say if someone is redeemed or not? I think only the ones would have the right to do so who said person wronged. but even that sounds wrong, since if its a nice, forgiving person, she'd forgive anything. than god? in case of the story the writer? the reader ? which one out of the thousands?

    people can just think whatever they want about Endeavor, but abusing your "loved ones" physically and mentally, turning one of them into mental wreckage and pushing until she causes permanent injuries to your son, than not taking any responsibilities (doesnt look like Endeavor got punished in any way), imo thats not something you can get redeemed from by getting nicer or saying lofty shit like facing his past or whatever. Actions speaks louder. in my eyes the closest he could get to getting redeemed would be telling everyone in public about how he treated his family and apologize from them, and then try to be a good father and a good hero. but its just my 2 cents.

    Anyway Im disappointed Hawk is butting in, thought this is going to be all Endeavors fight, He was all about "showing the strength of the #1 hero", yet he is taking turns with Hawk trying to defeat the Noumu? not impressed...
     
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    Did High-End cut the building in two on the last page? What kind of quirk would be capable of such a cut?
     
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    I find that some Endeavor haters exaggerate because of a few panels about their flashback. As if he was some horrible monster spending all his time mistreating his wife and son in the worst ways imaginable. He still had it in him to become a great Hero and is seriously by things like crime rates and stuff. He can't be that bad. Horikoshi showed the darkest parts of their past, it doesn't mean that their family life was like that all the time.

    But I digress, redemption is perfectly fitting here, redemption as a father and husband. Only his family can say if he redeemed himself in their eyes or not and it looks like his wife likes what he attempting to do.

    Shouto never hated him because he thought he was a terrible hero, it is an acknowledged fact that he is good at it. It's because of their family issues. Endeavor is trying to become a hero Shouto can be proud of, it means he will have to become a better father and husband. As you said, actions speak louder than words and Endeavor is acting for that.


    High-End has wings, right? Some razor wind attack? I think it could be Hawks' doing too.
     
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    Whatever he does as a hero has nothing to do with what he did to his family. Its like saying some great surgeon couldnt abuse his family that much even if we know he did. cause he is great at his job.

    We didnt get to see him act like a good father once in a flashback, his son hates him and said he wont forgive him, and his abuse of his wife was enough to turn her into a mental case. So we have plenty of proof and hints he is a horrible father while nothing suggest the opposite. So what are we even talking about? that secretly he could have been a nice father it was just not shown and nothing points toward that? ...sure.
     
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    The author did not say in the manga that he would show how horrible he was as a father? There are no more excuses for Endeavor, I do not understand how people want to continue believing that "something good had"?
     
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    Exactly. Which is why I said he needs to become a good father if he wants his son to be proud of the hero that he is.

    I didn't say he was a good father, he is not a good one. But he is not a bad person at heart and I can't believe he is as terrible as they depict him.
     
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    We literally saw him force Shouto to train until he threw up.

    We literally saw him strike his wife so hard when she tried to intervene in the training that she fell to the ground with her hand over her face. Keep in mind Endeavor is giant and muscular. The dude trains all the time.

    He could have easily pushed her away. Hes much stronger than her. But instead he hit her, to the ground.

    Did he try to pull that shit when All Might made him angry? When other heroes upset him? What about when Shouto decided to stand up for himself? Why didn't he just force him to come back?

    Because Endeavor is a bully who beat on those who cant fight back. His wife who clearly can't fight back. And once his son got old enough to fight back he left him alone.

    That is EXACTLY the kind of person Endeavor is. I don't see why you can't believe it, his actions are right there.

    I'm of the opinion that Endeavor is a shining example if what is wrong with the hero system. That a man who beats his wife, terrorized his son, ruined his children's sibling relationship, and now is pretty much barely tolerated by his family is now the 1 hero speaks volumes. Saving people and doing good works does not necessarily make one a hero. You can do good things and still have a horrible character.

    Nothing will change what Endeavor did. I'm not saying they can't forgive him, but that forgiveness needs to come at a price. Endeavor shouldn't be able to just waltz up and say, "But I'm doing the best I can!" And have that change anything. So far, nothing Endeavor has done has cost him anything important that he really cares about.

    I for one hope Dabi is his son and tears him a new one. But that's just me.

    Btw, has anyone noticed that Dabi is "I Bad" backwards? Do we have a Tobi situation on our hands?
     
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    What kind of arguement is that? All Might did the same thing to Deku during their 10 month training period. Is All Might a shitty person, too?
    We literally didn't. And if you say "but the anime showed it" then yeah, the anime which takes gigantic liberties like Bakugo's rescue where he travelled 500m with his explosion jump compared to the 10m in the manga shouldn't be your benchmark for what is canon and what is not.
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    Yeah, someone who only fights people weaker than him jumps straight into a fight with monsters like All For One and High-End.
    Being a hero is a job. Nobody cares about what people do in their private lifes if they do their job good. And here's a question: Is Endeavor, the domestic abuser, worse than All Might who tried to kill All For One by ripping off all of his limbs? Is domestic abuse worse than attempted murder?
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    Ugh, I don't want to talk about all of this. I am saying he isn't a bad person because I don't see how you can be a bad person and yet be a great hero. You have to care about civilians, rescue them etc. As I said in a post above he talked with All Might because he was worried about the crime rate. From the way he is doing his job and interacting with people other than All Might and his son, do you get the impression that he is some kind of inhuman monster hating people? I don't.

    If Endeavor wanted he would beat his son in 2 seconds. I don't get what you mean by fight back. You are depicting him as some kind of coward. Endeavor himself is well aware that he treated his family badly, and that shows that he isn't that bad.
     
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    Can we all just acknowledge that Endeavor is willing to take steps to better himself and leave it at that?
     
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