[Bonus Round] Singles 1

[Kaoz]

Determine the strongest Singles 1 player of the tournament.

Spoiler: The Characters

Name	Tezuka Kunimitsu
School	Seishun Gakuen 3rd Year
Height	179 cm
Weight	58 kg
Dominant Hand	Left
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	Zero Shiki Drop Shot Tezuka Zone Hyakuren Jitoku no Kiwami Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami Zero Shiki Serve Tezuka Phantom

Name	Yukimura Seiichi
Title	Child of God
School	Rikkai Dai Fuzoku 3rd Year
Height	175 cm
Weight	61 kg
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	Yips

Name	Sanada Gen'ichirou
Title	Emperor
School	Rikkai Dai Fuzoku 3rd Year
Height	180 cm
Weight	68 kg
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	FuuRinKaInZanRai Black Aura

Name	Echizen Ryoma
Title	Super Rookie of the East
School	Seishun Gakuen 1st Year
Height	151 cm
Weight	50 kg
Dominant Hand	Left
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	Twist Serve Drive A Drive B COOL Drive Drive D

Name	Irie Kanata
Title	Pierrot
School	High School 3rd Year
Height	178 cm
Weight	68 kg
Dominant Hand	Left
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	-

Name	Oni Juujirou
Title	Gatekeeper of Hell
School	High School 3rd Year
Height	187 cm
Weight	83 kg
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	Aggressive Baseliner
Techniques	Black Jack Knife

Name	Ochi Tsukimitsu
Title	Mental Assassin
School	High School 3rd Year
Height	226 cm
Weight	???
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	Counter Puncher
Techniques	Mach

Name	Niou Masaharu
Title	Trickster of the Court
School	Rikkai Dai Fuzoku 3rd Year
Height	175 cm
Weight	62 kg
Dominant Hand	Left
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	Illusion

Name	Tooyama Kintarou
Title	Super Rookie of the West
School	Shitenhouji 1st Year
Height	151 cm
Weight	52 kg
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	Aggressive Baseliner
Techniques	Super Megaton Wonder Deluxe Yama Funka Serve Super Ultra Great Delicious Daishaarin Yama Arashi

Name	Atobe Keigo
Title	King of Ice
School	Hyoutei Gakuen 3rd Year
Height	175 cm
Weight	62 kg
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	Insight Tannhauser Serve Shitsui e no FUGUE Koori no Sekai Atobe Kingdom

Name	Mouri Jusaburou
School	High School 1st Year
Height	191 cm
Weight	83 kg
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	All Rounder
Techniques	-

Name	Fuji Shuusuke
Title	Prodigy
School	Seishun Gakuen 3rd Year
Height	167 cm
Weight	53 kg
Dominant Hand	Right
Playstyle	Technical Counter Puncher
Techniques	Houou Gaeshi Kirin Otoshi Hakuryuu Kagero Zutsumi Hecatoncheires no Monban Hoshi Hanabi Closed Eyes

The bonus round ends on Thursday, October 25th 8 PM GMT.

Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!​

 

[Hardy]

As Teni Muhō No Kiwami isn't allowed, my vote goes for Yukimura.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

Love Fuji, although the strongest is Yukimura.

 

[LetalHawk]

Yukimura, for sure

 

[Ninomiya]

This is because Yukimura was the only MSer chosen.
I'm not sure. I feel there was a reason for that.

Going only by what we have seen. It's Yuki.
Since Tezuka w/out TnK is Nationals!Tezuka. Nationals!Tezuka against current players is a bit difficult.

 

[Phantron]

I voted for Atobe because he can just consult his new G10 friends and ask them how to deal with yips. I'm sure one of those guys will be like: "Yips is no problem! Just do this!" and then he'd beat Yukimura easily.

Oni probably should be the strongest player given current known abilities.

 

[Ninomiya]

I voted for Atobe because he can just consult his new G10 friends and ask them how to deal with yips. I'm sure one of those guys will be like: "Yips is no problem! Just do this!" and then he'd beat Yukimura easily.

If only it were that simple. That you could just ask someone how to prevent Yips.

It would be like asking someone how to prevent Mental Pressure from Ochi. They don't work like that.
Don't you think Sanada his best friend would know how to prevent if anyone did?

 

[Phantron]

If only it were that simple. That you could just ask someone how to prevent Yips.

It would be like asking someone how to prevent Mental Pressure from Ochi. They don't work like that.
Don't you think Sanada his best friend would know how to prevent if anyone did?

Who would've thought you can beat Hyakuren aura by just hitting the ball away from the user before Yukimura revealed it?

Of course he could get an answer like 'must be a noob if that tech still affects you' but it's always useful if you got a Data Tennis type guy for reference even in POT and the G10's knowledge obviously far exceeds any Data Tennis type guy.

POT has this tendency of guys 'in the know' knowing absolutely insane amount of stuff. Yukimura and Sanada knows more abou Tezuka than anyone else on his own team even though they didn't even play again after elementary school (Sanada never played Tezuka until this year). If you take the current NPOT frozen in time (so no one else moves into G10), give him like a week or even a few days and he's got to get even more insane powerups just from being surrounded by uber teammates and learning from their wisdom.

 

[Ninomiya]

You've written a lot of irrelevance.

What's to say Yukimura cannot take points off Atobe??
Atobe doesn't exactly have a great defence against the Top tier.

Yukimura has one of the best defenses in the series.
Yukimura's attack is solid.
Yuki isn't entirely Yips.

To say Atobe would win easily is just off.
It's not like Atobe has been sent to be able to use AK throughout a whole 6 games anyway.

He still loses points despite having activated WoI or AK.
Ryoma was taking points off of Atobe without TZ.

You go on as if Yukimura is just some weak character without Yips.
Despite him comfortably defeating Unyipped Ryoma and Unyipped Sanada.(Both without their crazy auras).
Something Atobe couldn't do.

 

[Phantron]

I'm not sure how Yukimura was beating Ryoma without yips once he can move the Hyakuren aura given it's a rather one-sided beatdown at that point before Ryoma can't hit the ball anymore due to yips.

 

[-Ken-]

It's either Sanada/Yukimura/Echizen/Tezuka/Irie/Oni. That's a lot of contender. I don't think anyone can say with a straight face anyone of these can reliably beat another 100% of the time.

I'm not voting yet.

Oh, and honorably mention for Ochi, whom, according to Yukimura himself, can get service ace from Yukimura. That's worth mentioning. Yukimura say the ball is impossible to return after all. Atobe only returns it due to his insight. So Ochi might surprisingly be a good match for them, too. In the end, I think they'll over Mach somehow, though. But… that's hard to tell, really.

 

[FrostyMouse]

I don't really have any proof for it, necessarily, but I think Irie's currently the strongest of the listed players. Of course, with TnK, Tezuka's above any of them, but there's no TnK here.

 

[ashore]

Who would've thought you can beat Hyakuren aura by just hitting the ball away from the user before Yukimura revealed it?

Of course he could get an answer like 'must be a noob if that tech still affects you' but it's always useful if you got a Data Tennis type guy for reference even in POT and the G10's knowledge obviously far exceeds any Data Tennis type guy.

POT has this tendency of guys 'in the know' knowing absolutely insane amount of stuff. Yukimura and Sanada knows more abou Tezuka than anyone else on his own team even though they didn't even play again after elementary school (Sanada never played Tezuka until this year). If you take the current NPOT frozen in time (so no one else moves into G10), give him like a week or even a few days and he's got to get even more insane powerups just from being surrounded by uber teammates and learning from their wisdom.

i thought chitose, beat it when he faced tezuka

 

[Phantron]

i thought chitose, beat it when he faced tezuka

He also had Saiki. I seriously doubt he could've beaten Tezuka in a rally without it. Sure the same basic strategy can be used without Saiki (don't use any fancy moves) but without Saiki telling you the exact sequence of rally needed, it could easily be Tezuka end up winning the rally after 40 exchanges as opposed to Chitose.

 

[Fayte]

Sanada. I mean, Black Aura is fair game whereas PoP isn't, so.... obviously.

 

[Phantron]

Sanada. I mean, Black Aura is fair game whereas PoP isn't, so.... obviously.

If Black Aura is just a stat upgrade it can't even overcome World of Ice let alone Atobe Kingdom, though I'm inclined to agree with the fanfiction explanation of "Black Aura prevents vision tech". I mean, it actuall makes a lot of sense that if you're surrounded by this tangible aura of blackness you shouldn't be able to x-ray vision your way through the aura.

 

[Fayte]

If Black Aura is just a stat upgrade it can't even overcome World of Ice let alone Atobe Kingdom, though I'm inclined to agree with the fanfiction explanation of "Black Aura prevents vision tech". I mean, it actuall makes a lot of sense that if you're surrounded by this tangible aura of blackness you shouldn't be able to x-ray vision your way through the aura.

Your logic is so foreign to me. All auras are stat upgrades. PoP included. All an aura does is raise your tier/overall ability level. That's it. It doesn't matter what aura it is. I find it absolutely absurd to say that Black Aura merely "makes people not see good." Not only does that not make sense in light of the fact Yukimura was able to SEE Sanada within the aura, but it also does not explain why Sanada's shot was so fast that it was able to rip Yukimura's headband in half, and proceed to put a hole in the fence. Sorry, I ain't buying that one.

Also, I guess I still have not said this enough:

World of Ice DOES NOT effect Sanada due to SHADOW. WoI is "insight based." Insight does not work on Sanada anymore, hence why Saiki (which is way better than Atobe's insight) did not work.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

@Fayte

I agree with you about auras boosting stats.

However, Shadow > World of Ice? I don't think so from your argument.
I think that you take the word "insight" way too literally. So far in the series there have been 3 "insights". Momo's Calm Insight, SKnK's Brilliant Insight and Atobe's Insight (sight as in eyesight). Shadow > any form of Brilliant Insight (data tennis). Not Shadow > WoI because it is "insight based".

What do SKnK and World of Ice have in common? SKnK is super data tennis and World of Ice is extreme vision. However, I will agree Shadow > any data tennis.

 

[Fayte]

@Fayte

I agree with you about auras boosting stats.

However, Shadow > World of Ice? I don't think so from your argument.
I think that you take the word "insight" way too literally. So far in the series there have been 3 "insights". Momo's Calm Insight, SKnK's Brilliant Insight and Atobe's Insight (sight as in eyesight). Shadow > any form of Brilliant Insight (data tennis). Not Shadow > WoI because it is "insight based".

What do SKnK and World of Ice have in common? SKnK is super data tennis and World of Ice is extreme vision. However, I will agree Shadow > any data tennis.

I disagree. Nowhere in the text does it make a distinction (outside of where the focus of that insight is) between any of these. You people are the ones making them all different. Insight is insight. The only difference here is Momo's, which is the observation of the environment around him, which is the same as Fuji. However, both Chitose and Atobe use the observation of the "opponent." Chitose does not get some magical powers to just "know" stuff. His mental game increases dramatically as he observes his opponent in order to "predict" what they will naturally do. He is also able to understand the "strategy" of the opponent (Chitose knew Tachibana purposely hit the ball to his good side). Atobe's insight is no different, because he observes his opponent and looks for patterns in movement. Atobe knew Tezuka's arm was hurting because it was off-pattern. Atobe uses WoI based on "patterns" of movement, and hits to the angles they have never reached for. All insight needs a scientific control pattern to notice a change. All insight requires a pattern, which is why Sanada is invulnerable to it. There is no pattern, therefore making prediction impossible.

 

[Phantron]

There's a very classic cliche in sports manga about how since the eye cannot see a complete arc in front of you there's some spot that'd appear invisible to your eyes. If you play with an eyepatch you'd have even more blind spots, and it wouldn't even be very hard to figure out where the other guy can't see at all with some experience

World of Ice is an extreme form of such things. It's the result of putting bogus science together to deduce a blind spot as a intrinsic property of the physical world. Hiding your emotion would do nothing against it. Put it this way, if Sanada starts playing with an eyepatch like he currently does, then there's a rather wide arc he cannot because he has only one eye. World of Ice will reveal wherever he can't see as icicles since you obviously can't return shots you cannot even see at all. You can hide your emotions and whatever but it doesn't change the fact that your blind spot is still exactly the same as what it was before.

Atobe Kingdom is even more extreme since now he can see your joints and from there he can deduce there's certain angle you cannot possibly swing your racket to and thus hitting to that spot guaranteeds point. Again hiding your thoughts does nothing against it. Atobe can still see your joints through his vision and even if he has no idea what you're thinking, it doesn't change the fact that since your joint can only bend a certain way, you still wouldn't be able to reach the same blind spots.

As of right now Atobe Kingdom is quite possibly the strongest overall offensive move, with no apparent energy costs to activate and cannot be stopped except for dislocating your joints, which obviously only works once. That said it's a move that relies on supernatural vision (Atobe can literally see the world in x-ray) and it'd be reasonable to say a supernatural black aura prevents the x-rays from working.