Cleaning Color pages

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is there a good way to tackle editing color pages? I mean whenever i try it comes out like shit. What i mean is that editing out japanese text using cloning and what not leaves splotches of wierd color on the page. Using any example, could anyone show me how they go about removing the text while leaving a smooth and even surface. Also, what is the best way to level color pages, if at all? The layers histogram is radically different for a color page and i dont know really how to read it. (curves is something i haven't tried but i am willing to learn if it is the better way in general)
 

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I need a way to go around this also....for Dragon Fall :D if someone can help....i've been experimenting but no luck....maybe contrast/brightnes?
 

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I don't know the answer to this question either, but I know that Fnuck knows.
 

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at least for the leveling i can say something:
for colorpages in general i would prefer curves, just because you have smooth, but unlimited, ways of applying them, and you can do that for every channel (red, green, blue, or all together).
i think it's more usuable if you want to adjust the midtones, but if you want to adjust just the totals (i.e. the dark and light spots) go for the levels tool.

for replacing the colors (it's definitely not professional, but it works at least) i normaly pick a general color fitting what should be behind the text, then creat a new layer, link it to the layer below and manually paint over it with a soft brush so that i get the colors needed... some experimenting is necessary though >.<;;;;;


this is just what i do, and in general not the best method... so beware of a high workload for such stuff >.<
 

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Yeah fnuck's gorilla page was incredible.....the poll clean also!
 

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I guess ill wait for fnuck to come back and tell me how. It isnt particularly pressing at this point.
 

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i didnt get what you meant.. but if it's how to remove the text in color pages..
well for the poster i used only the clone stamped and the color picker :O.. and to smooth it up, the smudge too
(not too strong for the smudge of course)
 

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I dont see how i was unclear...

However, ill try and see how it works.
 

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"What i mean is that editing out japanese text using cloning and what not leaves splotches of wierd color on the page"
that's unclear.. what's the question again? O.o
anyway it should be weird when you use the clone stamp.. but you got to pick somewhere very near the place you wanna draw over .. and if it's still not smooth, you use the smudge tool at the transition area
that should do the trick
 

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That wasn't my question, my question was the first thing i typed with the question mark at the end. What you quoted was an example

-Be nice, please refrain from provocative comments.
i cant remember what i said, so it's fine with me.
 

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how to typeset color spreads

hello everybody, im here asking for some help, i wanna typeset this image from Zan but i dont know how, im looking to do as good a job as Rush did for their One Piece popularity post of chapter 415, i asked fnuckale but hes on a trip and wont be home for like 2 or 3 days, if anybody could tell me or point me to a good tutorial that does i would much appreciate it.

http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0203cy7.jpg
 

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The one who typesetted the One Piece popularity poll in chapter 415 was me. Fnuckale cleaned that page to make it look nice and sharp, but the Japanese text was still on it. Then I typesetted over the Japanese, and finally sent the PSD to Silveril for removing the Japanese beneath my text and redrawing.

It was a three-person, three-step process :D

Anyway I guess I can tell you about typesetting it. Basically, the primary goal for me was to have it look as much like the original Japanese as possible, but just in English and horizontal text. I don't like to use vertical text because I think it looks bad. I'm not going to go into placement, since that's just something you have to play around with. Instead, I'll give you some pointers on how to make the text stylized to look the way you want it to look.

The primary tool at your disposal here is your Layer Blending options (right-click a layer, select Blending Options). Use it like CRAZY!

Stroke is the basic one, use it like crazy. Use the eyedropper tool to select the correct stroke color (from the original Japanese).

Sometimes the text has TWO strokes! How do you handle that? Use Stroke, and THEN use Outer Glow at 100% opacity and a high "Spread" setting (50%-75%). Now you have two strokes, voila!

The color of the text itself should be the color of the Japanese text (white, black, etc.). But sometimes the text is TWO colors (gradient)! What do you do? Gradient Overlay! Go in there and select the gradient you want, go inside to edit it and change the left slider's color to one extreme, and the right to the other. Use the eyedropper tool. If you didn't understand that, here's an visualization:

Say I have a word with gradient coloring. The top is blue, the bottom is red, and it gradually fades from blue to red from top to bottom. I go into my gradient overlay settings, double-click a gradient, and I will see two sliders. I double click one slider, and then take my eyedropper tool to click on the blue (nearest the top) and then I double-click the other slider and click on the red (nearest the bottom). Sometimes you get it backwards, but that's OK because you can change the direction of the gradient at will. Now you have it.

With those three weapons in your arsenal, you can typeset like crazy!

By the way, in case you were wondering, I used the font Gill Sans and its many variations to do 90% of the text on that poll.
 

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it was an awesome job that u guys did, let me give it a try

*goes off to typeset color scans*
 

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Looking at your Zan page, it's not cleaned by Fnuckale so it's not going to be as easy for you as it was for me, unless you find someone who can help you clean it (or Fnuckale let's everyone know how he did it tomorrow), but I can say some things.

First, you can certainly use the gradient overlay I was talking about for the red-orange text on the right side. That text also calls for a Drop-Shadow with 100% opacity and a high Choke setting.

The orange-red text to the left of Zan himself also has that shadow AND an outerglow with a low spread setting.

The big NEW SERIES declaration at the bottom left is just yellow with a green outer glow (again low spread) and a lowered master opacity.

For the title "Zan" itself on the upper left, I wouldn't touch the big Kanji, but the yellow Katakana with the red Stroke can be replaced with the english ZAN easily. Don't be afraid to change the Japanese vertical text to horizontal (there's not much art to block out anyway if you stretch it to the right).

Hope that helps.
 

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ok, u guys got me all wound up... is there a link to this 'legendary' color scan?
 

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which one? zan or one piece?
 

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i think one piece ^^ i would like to see it too...at best the raw and the clean =)
 

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well, the clean is in one of the rush releases. The raw is probably still somewhere in the one piece Edited Mangas thread. I dont know if it is 415 or 416 though
 

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It's 415.[br]Posted on: July 24, 2006, 12:29:49 PM_________________________________________________http://silverillusion.free.fr/Rush/Poster.jpg
That's Fnuck's clean of the raw. I typesetted over that (while translating simultaneously).
You can find the finished product in our release.
 

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Cool, i just checked out 415 and the color Edited Manga is indeed impressive. Tnx for the info.

Greets, Angry
 
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