Question Does DF Rarity equal strength?

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In Anime. Some people believe that the rarest(or most hard worked for) powers are the strongest. That can be a yes and a no.
In OP we can say almost the same thing.

So just as my question stands.
If you have a rare DF, does that means it strong?
 

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True to some extent, I can hardly see for example Buggy's fruit being superior to let's say Marco's DF... However what matters the most with a DF is the user himself, I am pretty sure if anyone else decent enough had Buggy's fruit, he'd be a force to be reckoned with because it offers some interesting possibilities

While rarity may mean that the fruit's potential may be higher, DF depends mostly on what the user does it... Best example is Luffy
 

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Not necessarily. Luffy was weak as fuck when he ate his fruit, but he trained hard and became pretty strong. It's all about the user and how he/she trains and becomes strong. Ace was immensely strong not just because of his fruit, but because he was a great fighter before he even saw the fruit; all the fire devil fruit did was put him on a much higher tier. If someone like Buggy were to get this fruit, it'd probably not be much, especially since Buggy doesn't seem as competent.
 

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Well, this is a weird concept as a whole. If we go by fruits, all fruits are unique. Well, maybe zoans are less so considering different fruits with very similar animals, or "models". If we go by that logic then all fruits all basically equally rare. If we go by type of devil fruit perhaps this works but it is still somewhat arbitrary. Paramecia are supposedly the most common type but we have seen some pretty crazy fruits in their end. WB's fruit was insane and was a paramecia for instance. Buggy's fruit is outright ridiculous and in many ways more useful than even logia's intangibility. Logia are a rarer type and all logia fruits do exhibit great power in general. Zoan seem relatively common but don't seem particularly stronger or weaker than others. Mythical zoans seem to be the rarest fruits of all and they seem to have more supernaturally oriented powers in a way. But they don't necessarily seem innately stronger than, say, a logia. I guess the idea that rarer types of fruits are more powerful makes sense if we consider logia and mythical zoans but they don't necessarily have a huge advantage over other fruits powerwise.
 

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Not necessarily. Luffy was weak as fuck when he ate his fruit, but he trained hard and became pretty strong. It's all about the user and how he/she trains and becomes strong. Ace was immensely strong not just because of his fruit, but because he was a great fighter before he even saw the fruit; all the fire devil fruit did was put him on a much higher tier. If someone like Buggy were to get this fruit, it'd probably not be much, especially since Buggy doesn't seem as competent.
Bara Bara No Mi allows you to split your body, Marco's DF allows you to turn into a phoenix and more importantly allows you to regenerate to some extent,if looking at them purely from the power they offer you, there's no doubt Marco's DF is superior

But ultimately as we both said, the user is the one who can make the most out of his fruit... So while the rarity of a fruit may mean it is superior to regular fruit you may find, if it falls under an incompetent user then it becomes even more weaker than the regular DF you can find
 

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Bara Bara No Mi allows you to split your body, Marco's DF allows you to turn into a phoenix and more importantly allows you to regenerate to some extent,if looking at them purely from the power they offer you, there's no doubt Marco's DF is superior

But ultimately as we both said, the user is the one who can make the most out of his fruit... So while the rarity of a fruit may mean it is superior to regular fruit you may find, if it falls under an incompetent user then it becomes even more weaker than the regular DF you can find
I think this depends on circumstances a bit. Buggy is basically a gag at this point in the manga however the fruit is ridiculous. Buggy is effectively invulnerable against all types of cutting attacks. No amount of mihawk slashing is ever going to do more than vaguely inconvenience him. Even logias don't have this. In turn the same thing would eat away at marco's stamina over time. Buggy is harmed normally by other attacks but he also has the benefit of being able to split himself to dodge attacks. And offensively the possibilities of buggy's fruit are endless. He can attack from any angle and at a range after all and even rearrange his body to suit his needs. Regenerating is nice but if you have the bara bara no mi there are endless ways to simply not need to regenerate. Imagine if someone of marco's caliber had buggy's fruit...
 

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This is proven time and time again that really, it is mostly about the person. I mean what do you guys think will happen if Barney ate Marco's phoenix fruit? He would be as powerful as if he ate Drakes T Rex fruit wait nvm Barney is already a dinosaur but hey you guys get my point. You can be a phoenix singing I love you or a T rex. The point is that you are only singing I love you. Now if you are Marco who ate the Barney fruit and become a purple dinosaur, you can bet he can kick some ass. I guess I am just pretty much reiterating what people have already said before me.

A good example is Ace. Luffy said when they were kids Ace kicked his ass AFTER luffy ate his fruit. This was BEFORE Ace ate his fire fruit. Ace was already skilled. The Fire fruit is another skill he acquired. Or should I say tool? Yeah tool is a better word. I can give a kid a screw driver and myself one. I will probably be more efficient in using that screwdriver because of experience. Ace learned how to be proficient with his new tool and that is that.

And since we are all talking about buggy, what if he CoA his whole body, split himself up and launch it at his opponents? If he gets strong enough man he can do some good damage. AoE or non single target damage. He would be his own Buggy Cannon. I actually hope he becomes more than a joke.
 

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Nope. Along with what the others have already said, not only does the rareness of the fruit not matter, but just because your fruit has the potential to strong, doesn't mean you'll even be able to bring out it's full ability without the right knowledge or training.

Look at Caribou. Has a Logia, one of the rarest fruits and considered the most powerful, yet is considered a weakling. Same thing with Ceasar Clown, who, for all intents and purposes, should be capable of so much more with his fruit.

Look at Law. One of the most powerful fruits in the series, but it was made clear that he couldn't do shit without medical knowledge. This fruit is literally useless in the wrong hands.
 

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Bara Bara No Mi allows you to split your body, Marco's DF allows you to turn into a phoenix and more importantly allows you to regenerate to some extent,if looking at them purely from the power they offer you, there's no doubt Marco's DF is superior

But ultimately as we both said, the user is the one who can make the most out of his fruit... So while the rarity of a fruit may mean it is superior to regular fruit you may find, if it falls under an incompetent user then it becomes even more weaker than the regular DF you can find
Not directed at you, I think?

Marco's DF isn't exactly superior. Say if Ace had bara bara no mi, he'd be able to split his body up and be able to find ways to hurt his enemies while avoiding attacks. Bara bara no mi is offensive and defense, but the phoenix devil fruit is mostly defensive. Sure it can help Ace tank attacks, but how would it help his offense? He'd be dangerous either way, but bara bara no mi might make him far more dangerous. Plus, haki can't do much against bara bara no mi user if it can't touch them, whereas phoenix devil fruit users can get hurt by haki.
This is proven time and time again that really, it is mostly about the person. I mean what do you guys think will happen if Barney ate Marco's phoenix fruit? He would be as powerful as if he ate Drakes T Rex fruit wait nvm Barney is already a dinosaur but hey you guys get my point. You can be a phoenix singing I love you or a T rex. The point is that you are only singing I love you. Now if you are Marco who ate the Barney fruit and become a purple dinosaur, you can bet he can kick some ass. I guess I am just pretty much reiterating what people have already said before me.
what the fuck?
 

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I think that the concept of rarity is a bit strange here, considering that devil fruits are already rare and that they are only possessed by a single person at a time.
The most reasonable meanings to me are these:
1) The actual fruit is rare to find... but we don't know much about the (re-)generation of devil fruits yet to make sense of this.
2) The fruit is rare among a class of similar devil fruits, e.g. Jack's ancient Zou fruit is rare among Zou devil fruits. It still isn't clear what rare is in this case, as far as we know they're all equally probable to find.
3) Rare as particularly strong, i.e. it is known to be powerful by people
4) Rare in sense that users of that fruit have been rare through history (how much can they recall about devil fruit users though?)
 

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First, by rarity of a class of DF I will mean "rarity of very handy and useful abilities".

Second, by useful/powerful I will refer to how many different skills or "powers" is offers (for example Bara Bara only gives the power to split the body, while Phoenix fruit gives regeneration and ability to transform.)

Finally from what we've seen in the manga, Paramecia > Zoan >> Logia > Mythical Zoan in abundance.

So to me it seems that in Paramecia extremely powerful fruits are quite rare (like Ito Ito). Zoan DFs on the other hand seem almost all likely to be good. Then for Logia DF we all know how powerful and useful they can be. Then above the Logia class in rarity is the Mythical Zoan, which indeed looks quite exceptional in the cases of Marco and Sengoku, but not so impressive in the cases of Drake or Jack.

Verdict : There are clearly some superior and powerful Paramecia which are quite rare, and obviously all logias are rare and useful. However when it comes to mythical Zoan, eventhough it's rare it doesn't seem to be superior to normal Zoans in usefulness (at least in the cases I've mentioned).
 
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To me it seems that Paramecia and Zoan are equaly rare. Then Logia DF are bit rarer, and in fact we all know how powerful and useful they can be. Then above the Logia class in rarity is the Mythical Zoan, which looks quite exceptional in the cases of Marco and Sengoku, but not so impressive in the case of Drake or Jack. So I don't think rarity of a fruit would alwys be proportional to it's strength/usefulness.
Well, paramecia is the most common type of fruit. However on the other hand there is no real pattern to what a paramecia is. At this point paramecia seems to be basically anything that is not a zoan or logia. So what point is there to saying paramecia is the most common fruit when paramecia is basically anything? Or there are no unique characteristics to them in general? Zoan and logia do have a number of specific characteristics which set them apart from the rest.
 

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Well, paramecia is the most common type of fruit. However on the other hand there is no real pattern to what a paramecia is. At this point paramecia seems to be basically anything that is not a zoan or logia. So what point is there to saying paramecia is the most common fruit when paramecia is basically anything? Or there are no unique characteristics to them in general? Zoan and logia do have a number of specific characteristics which set them apart from the rest.
Yes we can define Paramecia to be a non-Logia/Zoan DF. And in fact they are more abundant than the other classes. That is why I think that rarity "of a useful and powerful ability" in a Paramecia does make sense. (by useful/powerful I mean how many different skills or "powers" it offers (for example Bara Bara only gives the power to split the body, while Sugar's fruit gives the ability to transform to toys and erasing the target from memories.))
 
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