Voting Round 1 Dragon Ball vs. Angel Densetsu

Potatoe-Titan · Oct 3, 2017

Gohans development was great yea, but then Boo Saga happened. In my opinion Akira did great till Cell Saga, Boo Saga wasn't that great. He wasted a lot potential of the "Side"characters.

Not as bad as Mashima did in Fairy Tail but still.

gnut · Oct 3, 2017

xi0 said:
That should be a point of pride tbh...

I agree that DBZ was nothing in comparison to Dragonball...memorable villains yes,but story wise it was pretty repetitive.

Reebi · Oct 3, 2017

Arjuna said:
Dbz characters are pretty one dimensional though.No complexity or depth.Apart from Vageta,everyone is either good or bad.

They were loveable but yes lack luster

Lambu · Oct 3, 2017

DB > DBZ

Im glad people think like this aswell, the first part of DragonBall with Kid Goku was the best one. The battles might be better in the next part, sure, but storywise the search for the DBs, the Red Ribbon arc and the mystery of Piccolo/Kami to boost the seriousness were amazing. Comedy + endearing characters made the show a reference for shonen manga.

Then Toriyama decided to expand the world with Goku's alien origin and the saiyans, then the Namek/Freeza saga that marked the climax of the whole series, the SuperSaiyan legend and the destined battle for the last remnant of an extinct race vs the opressor of the universe.
I think the series should have ended there tbh.

From there onwards the plot started to lose its internal logic little by little, the abuse of "retcon" damaged the series, but it still managed to remain interesting and epic.
I think what made DBZ so great was its capability to stay young arc after arc even when the plot repeated again and again. It was fun to see the characters reach new heights arc after arc even if it didn't make actual sense.

Angel Densetsu is very good and I agree with Jammin thats better than Claymore, but I dont think if it can follow the shadow of DB as an epitome of manganime. Both are great series though, they both deserve time and attention

Voting DB this time.

xi0 · Oct 3, 2017

gnut said:
I agree that DBZ was nothing in comparison to Dragonball...memorable villains yes,but story wise it was pretty repetitive.

Personally, I think the entirety of it was repetitive. Once you put nostalgia aside, there isn't much room for me to hold the series in that high of a regard honestly.

gnut · Oct 3, 2017

xi0 said:
Personally, I think the entirety of it was repetitive. Once you put nostalgia aside, there isn't much room for me to hold the series in that high of a regard honestly.

But in my opinion....that's what defines a great series,movie,book,etc....the nostalgic memories

Hardy · Oct 4, 2017

xi0 said:
Personally, I think the entirety of it was repetitive. Once you put nostalgia aside, there isn't much room for me to hold the series in that high of a regard honestly.

What's so repetitive about DragonBall Pre-Z? Honest question. All arcs are quite different.

xi0 · Oct 4, 2017

Hardy said:
What's so repetitive about DragonBall Pre-Z? Honest question. All arcs are quite different.

Yeah, not actually what I meant, sorry. I meant taking the entire series of DB+DBZ into account. I find the pre-Z stuff a lot more charming, fresh, and enjoyable, but it still never stuck with me compared to other stuff, I guess.

gnut · Oct 4, 2017

xi0 said:
Yeah, not actually what I meant, sorry. I meant taking the entire series of DB+DBZ into account. I find the pre-Z stuff a lot more charming, fresh, and enjoyable, but it still never stuck with me compared to other stuff, I guess.

Kinda what i was talking too...
I take it you got into DB later after watching other stuff...
To me..besides stuff like Miyazaki or Lupin.....there was nothing else like it.
Yeah,certain hits like GitS,kite,wicked city,ninja scroll,so on and so on....but nothing like picking up bootleg DB vhs tapes from the local flea markets/swap meets for the newest stuff xD.
Nostalgia just doesn't explain it :gnut

xi0 · Oct 4, 2017

gnut said:
Kinda what i was talking too...
I take it you got into DB later after watching other stuff...
To me..besides stuff like Miyazaki or Lupin.....there was nothing else like it.
Yeah,certain hits like GitS,kite,wicked city,ninja scroll,so on and so on....but nothing like picking up bootleg DB vhs tapes from the local flea markets/swap meets for the newest stuff xD.
Nostalgia just doesn't explain it

No, I read some of DB around the same time DBZ was airing here in the US.

Nostalgia does explain it some of it though. I didn't mean to say it necessarily diminishes the value of things in a vacuum, or even that DB isn't quality. It is. But I'm merely saying that I think a lot of great, and even better stuff gets overlooked in favor of it. The same sort of thing goes on with most popular stuff, but sometimes it feels like this is compounded, as Dragonball is often cited among a lot of people of a certain age as the gateway to manga/anime in general.

gnut · Oct 4, 2017

I agree...it totally sets the bar for fighter mangas in the shonen genre.
That alone gives it much ground to be nominated as best manga....but then again we are talking about DBZ and not DB
:XD

Organizized · Oct 4, 2017

I don't hold Dragon Ball very high in regards of quality, and will probably vote against it in the next round (both Berserk and BnHA are better imo), but it deserves to advance from this round simply due to it being the absolute first manga I read, before I even knew what manga was. Vote DB.

(Agree with everyone else, when I think of the good parts of Dragon Ball, I think of the first 16 or so volumes. What I later found out was called DBZ was where I thought the series got kinda boring even when I was a kid, and I've only ever really reread the first part.)

Zasz · Oct 4, 2017

Dragon Ball, but only because I'm a nostalgia fag. :kappa

Dunno1978 · Oct 4, 2017

I grew watching DB, it really gives nostalgia... I can even remember my hypes when I were a child... Good times. So my vote goes for Angel Densetsu because DB grew overrated and the story never seems to end (not to talk that now the hype is gone everytime I watch the show again). :yaha