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One Cour Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Gaiden: Sword Oratoria

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  1. Zasz

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    You know, I'm glad that Ais' facial expressions have changed lots of times during this episode.
    Under normal circumstances, she tends to look like a lifeless doll...
    Either way, damn, Finn was so badass. :verily
     
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    Am I a bad person for enjoying the scene where Lefiya was getting choked? (I feel like the answer is yes)

    Definitely a solid episode though. The winning formula continues to be "Less Lefiya = Better Episode".
    --- Double Post Merged, May 20, 2017, Original Post Date: May 13, 2017 ---
    I'm starting to come around on this show. Two episodes now with minimal Lefiya. Little injection of some Bell crossovers. A little more personality from Aiz. Plot that's got more substance than fluff. It's starting to get good.

    Also the running joke of Bell running away from Aiz is much funnier from her perspective than it was from his.

    Still really wish they kept more of her mental monologues though.
     
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    Good episode but it was so rushed, imagine what they could have done if they hadn't wasted time with the rpetitive Lefiya's scenes. The fight against Udaeus was too fast and disappointing, they reduce Riveria's actions again. But at least they did a good job showing how her relationship with Ais is. Still not enough monologues for Ais but this was a progress.

    The scene with Finn ringing the bell was perfect though :lmao.
     
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    So as someone who's not read the LN or the manga, what exactly did they skip? Did we actually get more info about Aiz mother, called Aria? So far the anime plays it as a big mystery, so I wonder what important parts where removed. Like why does she think Bell is similar to her?

    Also I once read the first two or three chaps of the manga, like one year ago or so, and was incredibly annoyed by Lefiya, hence why I stopped reading lol. Hearing that she got even more screentime in the anime is ridiculous but I'm with all of you, the less Lefiya this show has, the better it becomes. She's such a boring, annoying and dull character that I almost wanted her to get chocked to death for real (I guess we're both bad people Jammin :XD).
     
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    They skipped quite a few things.

    That scene with Aiz's mother and father should have been much sooner and explains that it's a recurring dream she has. Which they changed and cut all the dialogue out of in order to fit where they did. The first scene was supposed to be Aiz's mother reading her a book. The second was her father rescuing her and probably going off to his death.

    There was a princess deep in a forest who was trapped in eternal sleep
    Until one day she was woken by a young man.
    He melted her heart, took her hand, and the two lived happily ever after.
    The princess was saved.
    "Do you like the story?"
    The toddler nodded
    "What about mommy?"
    The woman nodded back.
    "Me, too, because I'm living happily ever after because of him." The woman smiled back like she didn't have a car in the world.
    The toddler's eyes filled with envy and admiration. She looked down at the book for a moment before looking back up at the woman's face.
    The woman smiled again.
    "Wouldn't it be nice if you met someone who does the same for you?"
    The toddler smiled like a flower opening to the morning sun.

    And the father scene is similar. I don' t want to type the whole thing but the most important part are her father's last words to her . Which are " I hope that, someday, you find a hero---your hero.". Which becomes an important thing to understand about Aiz and her fascination with Bell. Because in the book that whole dream is triggered by her encounter with Bell and Minotaur right at the beginning.

    There should also have been a scene with Riveria explaining a bit about her. Specifically that's she's known Aiz the longest and is reluctant surrogate mother. And the really unforgivable part is they cut that stuff and more in order to added more Lefiya scenes than are in the books inn order to reframe the story of the first book to make it seem like it's about her.

    But even beyond that stuff the biggest omission though is the mental monologues. Which are arguably the best part of Oratoria. In the book Aiz is almost like a character from classic noir she's got a near constant internal monologue going. So while she barely ever expresses herself to others you get a very clear picture of what she's thinking underneath it all.

    For example. In the scene were Bete gets drunk and insults Bell we're supposed to know exactly what Aiz is thinking that whole time.

    "The hell was he doing anyway? If yer gonna cry like a little baby, ya shouldn't be down there in the first place first place! Ain't that right, Aiz"
    Aiz's hands clenched into fists beneath the table.
    She felt a gaze and turned to see Riveria with one ye closed and the other looking at her.
    In an instant, Aiz could tell that out of all the people at the table only Rivera could tell that there was a storm brewing behind her aloof expression.

    Admittedly that's something that's really hard to duplicate with anime but they didn't even try. And without that Aiz is a very difficult character to understand. There is a lot about her that if you haven't read the book you just can't know.
     
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    Wow that really is a lot... isn't this story supposed to be about Aiz and not Lefiya? :facepalm

    Anyway, it's true that Aiz is really hard to read without monologues but at least I got the part that she's angry when Bete starts making fun of Bell in the anime too. Still that's some really important backstory they totally ignored to insert more Lefiya (I can't stop the facepalm...). Oh well, at least it's good to know some people who can fill us in about missing or changed parts, so that's great. Thanks for your help Jammin!
     
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    Aizu vs Udaeos- lame. Manga did it better and LNs did it WAYYYY better.

    But pouty Aizu <3

    [​IMG]
     
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    They've done better lately. So hopefully we've moved past the worst of it.

    The only problem it's really got now is that there is a whole layer of depth to the characters that's just missing if you haven't read the books. Omori is a great author, and probably my favorite of the Japanese light novel authors, but I don't think this show really captured why that is yet.
     
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    When Lefiya is not fantasizing and repeating the same things over and over, she is not annoying. At least to me.

    It was rushed, and I don't like how they made Ais use her Magic to kill the monsters, but it was enjoyable overall.

    I feel like watching the horrible first episodes made me more tolerant regarding that adaptation.
     
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    Banshee. Everyone who teams up with her doesn't come back. :hmm

    Hmmmm... Lefiya is currently teamed up with her.
    :kamina
     
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    It's too late. I hate her now. There is no going back.

    Everytime I see her now. I'm just like "Go away."
     
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    Yeah I dread every Lefiya scene at this point, I just can't help it. I don't mind if I get spoiled, someone tell me if she actually dies at some point lol (though I highly doubt it).

    :zomg :D
     
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    You can tell in this episode at what point the anime team was running out of time and/or money.

    For an episode where Lefiya was featured prominently it wasn't to bad. At least she served a narrative purpose here. Still wish she'd just die though. The fact that her parts of the episode were lovingly animated while part of Aiz's fight was essentially a low frame looped gif hurts my feeling a little extra too.

    My saltiness about that is alleviated a little by the fact that we got an all time great hilarious bad guy death.

    [​IMG]
     
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    And she ate what she pulled out of him... without washing it first. You can catch diseases that way you know! :XD

    I was thinking Lefiya had more prominent fight scenes than Ais did. It wasn't just me noticing I see.
     
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    Rushed, no deaths besides Olivas's, battles lacked intensity, Ais one shotting Viscum was underwhelming and her attacks don't look powerful at all. Still no monologues. It was awful...

    And again they did prioritized Lefiya, not saying most of her scenes were bad but it' just disappointing.
     
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    gee that episode was bad, it made me cringe multiple times... even story-wise this was as generic as it can get. Banshee's motivation behind rejecting others was obvious from a mile away, Lefiya somewhat changing her (in a pretty underwhelming and easy way) was too predictable too. That psycho Vendetta guy was a really lame and annoying villain, that whole stuff was weird and reminded me of the Laughing Coffin desaster in SAO. Don't bring in some evil guild all of a sudden which is just full of lunatics and serves no purpose besides "oh no this grimdark stuff happened bc of some psychos". The cherry on the cake was "meet me on xx floor gurl and we shall settle this!" generic villains like to scream.

    I guess this could have been saved somewhat if the episode had good animation or a great soundtrack at least, but both were pretty underwhelming too. Easily the weakest episode so far, it was awful from beginning to end... and here I was hoping things would get better after more focus on Ais. Oh well, it can only get better again from this point on.
     
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    Sweet lord, that had to be the most annoying episode of anything I've watched in quite a while.:bored

    A fatal dose of Lefiya.
     
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    Bell and Ais's training is pretty much seen from Lefiya's POV, there is almost no new content. They are not even trying to hide the fact that Lefiya is their priority, what the hell is the writer doing? This episode should have been very good, ut ti's one of the worst along with the first episodes of the anime. Sad...
     
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    When I saw Lefiya following Ais, I immediately thought to myself: "YES! She will become traumatized by witnessing Ais sneak out to meet a boy!"
    However, that shortly turned to "Why does she even exist? Is there an actual purpose to her existence?"
    Really, if they deleted every line she has spoken and every action she has done, the story could have just as easily reached this point.
     
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    At this point, yep, it can be said that they're focusing more on Leafiya rather than Ais and her internal thoughts...
    I do understand that trying to adapt everything is impossible, but if there are some very important scenes for a character's development, then why not try to be faithful to the original source in just that one moment?
    At least Hestia appeared and Bell became more than a simple background character. :XD
     
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