Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GodSlayer666]

I think he would have some difficulty against their hax

Finally i can discuss actual feats

Luso just overwhelmed Erza in the first round, when she got serious Luso lost, but how she lost? Here, Erza realized that to counter her hax she had to destroy Luso's alchemy world

Note that Erza already knew that Luso could turn her into a furry, but she still thought that she could beat Luso as long as she destroyed her world, so this means that damaging the alchemy world countered her hax, so all you need to counter their hax is raw power enough to damage their world, and think nobody here can say that God Serena don't have the raw power to damage her world. Speed also seems to be a factor to beat Luso and her hax as Erza needed to speedblitz her, and we know that God Serena have lightning and light dragon slayer magics to give him a speed advantage likely even greater than Erza.

Now about Enny the interesting is that when she saw Luso defeated she simply said ''no more cheap tricks'' and proceeded to just use Alchemy Armor. Can you see that Enny hersef downplayed their own hax? Like yes it can affect a lot of people but it's really that reliable in actual fight? I mean, against a strong opponent? Like i showed all you need to counter their hax is decent speed and raw power.

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I didn't ask you to explain the concept on Contender. I asked who else was mentioned as a contender. You wrote me several paragraphs about the importance of the word Perhaps and how it affected your opinion of the statement, why is this so difficult for you? You insist he was just one of the candidates Selene met, please provide the other candidates she stated or bow out on this point my guy. You aren't important enough to decide statements don't matter, so it's up to you to counter them. Please do so.

You're a bad loser, you insist that statements don't matter because you lack a counter to them. That makes you an unreliable debater. See how ridiculous that sounds as an argument. Provide a statement of Suzaku being superior to the other BDSK. You insist this is a thing, so please provide supporting evidence. See, her mentioning her performance against Kirin as a stand alone statement isn't very powerful if it was in the manga all alone. When we add Selene's comment about the fact he's the other contender for the strongest. Then we add his blatant statement he is the strongest in the Guild, Sensei paints a picture. You've yet to really offer a counter to this other than, @GodSlayer666 doesn't think statements should be used to make an argument. Problem is that holds about as much weight in the grand scheme of things as @Garmadooon not liking scaling arguments, jack and shit.

Perhaps isn't a strong enough word to make that statement work for you. It just shows that Madmole is unsure about how it breaks out. Skullion wasn't, and Selene hasn't been presented to be either. We can totally discuss feats, you got upset because i insisted that they bolster the entire group. An they do. Suzaku is able to speed blitz Erza, so was Laxus, who was in turn blitzed by Kirin. Misaki also blitzed Erza. Suzaku was unable to best Natsu, and this is without DF or a massive MC boost, so this is a Natsu who is below Laxus. Kirin was partnered with Laxus and Laxus only gained the power advantage after eating a dragon soul. So we can extrapolate pretty well, what did you wanna use?

I didn't say he wasn't cocky, i mean he was made as an anti Laxus.

So you are assuming and infering that he does not mean they are stronger than him. why?

I showed the concept of contender to say i don't need to show who else is a contender, by definition contender is not TOP 1 so if you wanna prove that Kirin is TOP 1 you will need way more than a contender statement because i could simply say that Haku>Kirin and won't be able to refute me without using feats. Wanna names? Suzaku, Misaki and Haku, ''but they weren't stated to be contenders'' so what? They were still equalized according to yourself remember? Even Madmole wasn't sure about equalizing them so i showed the concept of perharps to show that you guys were stretching this BDSK equality.

Bad loser? You can't classify Kirin as TOP 1 with your contender statement and i'm the bad loser? You can't debunk that the BDSK are just PEHARPS as strong as Suzaku and i'm the bad loser? You create a headcanon where Suzaku is obliged to have fought Misaki and i'm the bad loser? You can't deny that Kirin is as biased as you and i'm the bad loser? The agenda is strong in this one. And it's not my fault that you are interpreting me wrong, i didn't said that statements doesn't matter, i just said that these statements don't go anywhere and don't provide anything definitive, this is different from ''statements don't matter''. Besides Gray basically scaled Suzaku above Erza while he scaled Erza close to Misaki
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It's not my fault that ''peharps'' makes a huge difference in a phrase, it's pure and simple text interpretation.
Laxus couldn't put her down after many strikes, Suzaku just needed one with a NON NAMED attack
Where Kirin blitzed Laxus? He just launched an fast attack but couldn't put BASE Laxus down after multiple attacks, then he offscreened Red Lightning Laxus without defeating him completely, but then we discover that he was relying on a coffin which has a special effect on Laxus and even Laxus backing to BASE he still couldn't put him down. Suzaku survived an Dogramag killing intent attack, Kirin was one shotted by Laxus.
Neither Misaki put Erza down, try again
Dragon King Scales is a boost, show me a proof that Laxus can beat Natsu with Dragon King Scales.

Dude by statements Kirin is outright the strongest BDSK. While Misaki is treated as the second. Misaki another BDSK hyped up Kirin. Suzaku was in no way was hyped up to be the strongest. Suzaku attacked her without warning she only blocked it because she fast enough. The good guys always lose the first round and then win the second. Thats been happening since the beginning of OG fairy tail. Even now I'm pretty sure Erza, Laxus, Natsu are stronger than the BDSK.
I'm giving it the benefit of a doubt DESPITE their awful performance against Erza the sisters are undoubtedly stronger than God Serena. Especially with their hax.

I already showed all the official statements, from this time you are just conveniently ignoring my points so i see no use on continuing this

But about Signarios performance, why they deserve the benfit of doubt if yourself admits they performance was bad? This just smells Erza agenda or maybe Jellal slander, don't know, just don't sounds right

 

[Ratrace]

Finally i can discuss actual feats

Luso just overwhelmed Erza in the first round, when she got serious Luso lost, but how she lost? Here, Erza realized that to counter her hax she had to destroy Luso's alchemy world

Note that Erza already knew that Luso could turn her into a furry, but she still thought that she could beat Luso as long as she destroyed her world, so this means that damaging the alchemy world countered her hax, so all you need to counter their hax is raw power enough to damage their world, and think nobody here can say that God Serena don't have the raw power to damage her world. Speed also seems to be a factor to beat Luso and her hax as Erza needed to speedblitz her, and we know that God Serena have lightning and light dragon slayer magics to give him a speed advantage likely even greater than Erza.

Now about Enny the interesting is that when she saw Luso defeated she simply said ''no more cheap tricks'' and proceeded to just use Alchemy Armor. Can you see that Enny hersef downplayed their own hax? Like yes it can affect a lot of people but it's really that reliable in actual fight? I mean, against a strong opponent? Like i showed all you need to counter their hax is decent speed and raw power.

What was stopping her from turning Erza into a furry.
Most hax are defeated because someone figured out its weakness or had a spell/abilities that could counter it.

 

[GodSlayer666]

What was stopping her from turning Erza into a furry.
Most hax are defeated because someone figured out its weakness or had a spell/abilities that could counter it.

The fact that Erza was countering this hax merchant by destroying her world faster than she could rebuild it. Erza figured out that this was their hax weakness and honestly anyone around Erza level, maybe even somewhat below could replicate that.
Check the entire chapter https://ww7.readfairytail.com/chapter/fairy-tail-100-years-quest-chapter-145/ If Enny who basically have the same hax and didn't lost her cool could simply use the win button and turn Erza into a furry why didn't she did that? She would necessarily have serious cognitive problems to not use this win button against Erza if she could, but the fact is after Erza defeated Luso she realized that her hax wouldn't be enough because Erza already countered it.

 

[Ratrace]

The fact that Erza was countering this hax merchant by destroying her world faster than she could rebuild it. Erza figured out that this was their hax weakness and honestly anyone around Erza level, maybe even somewhat below could replicate that.
Check the entire chapter https://ww7.readfairytail.com/chapter/fairy-tail-100-years-quest-chapter-145/ If Enny who basically have the same hax and didn't lost her cool could simply use the win button and turn Erza into a furry why didn't she did that? She would necessarily have serious cognitive problems to not use this win button against Erza if she could, but the fact is after Erza defeated Luso she realized that her hax wouldn't be enough because Erza already countered it.

She still didn’t try. If you reread that chapter Luso mostly just creat things to attack Erza, besides the armor she never used a spell that just affected Erza herself.

 

[GodSlayer666]

She still didn’t try. If you reread that chapter Luso mostly just creat things to attack Erza, besides the armor she never used a spell that just affected Erza herself.

At the beginning she didn' tried and was just kidding with Erza, i know that, but the moment Erza went serious she figured out her hax weakness and Luso just created things because it was the only thing she could do as long Erza destroyed her world faster than she could rebuild. And let's face it, Luso even had the advantage of taking Erza armors and yet she still managed to loose. Besides if any of the sisters could have turned Erza into a furry at least Enny would have done that. She didn't lost her cool and there was no reason to don't use the transformation if Erza destroying their worlds didn't countered that.

To clarify, the Alchemy World needs to be at perfect state for the sisters to use the furry transformation, otherwise nothing would have stopped Enny from winning. CIS and PIS is no excuse if the chapter itself give hints of their hax weakness. Erza saying ''i just need to destroy this world'' shows that she figured out how to counter their hax. It's a simple way to counter a hax but what can i do?

 

[Ratrace]

At the beginning she didn' tried and was just kidding with Erza, i know that, but the moment Erza went serious she figured out her hax weakness and Luso just created things because it was the only thing she could do as long Erza destroyed her world faster than she could rebuild. And let's face it, Luso even had the advantage of taking Erza armors and yet she still managed to loose. Besides if any of the sisters could have turned Erza into a furry at least Enny would have done that. She didn't lost her cool and there was no reason to don't use the transformation if Erza destroying their worlds didn't countered that.

To clarify, the Alchemy World needs to be at perfect state for the sisters to use the furry transformation, otherwise nothing would have stopped Enny from winning. CIS and PIS is no excuse if the chapter itself give hints of their hax weakness. Erza saying ''i just need to destroy this world'' shows that she figured out how to counter their hax. It's a simple way to counter a hax but what can i do?

I guess, still it could of had Erza destroying those chains. https://mto.to/chapter/2868466/7

 

[GodSlayer666]

I guess, still it could of had Erza destroying those chains. https://mto.to/chapter/2868466/7

Yeah, it may be just a theory but Luso could only use the furry transformations after using the chains on them, so it could be also a restriction as she might be hard to chain who is destroying everything around, but what we know for sure is that this destriction somewhat countered the signarios hax

 

[GL_Nova]

Finally i can discuss actual feats

Luso just overwhelmed Erza in the first round, when she got serious Luso lost, but how she lost? Here, Erza realized that to counter her hax she had to destroy Luso's alchemy world

Note that Erza already knew that Luso could turn her into a furry, but she still thought that she could beat Luso as long as she destroyed her world, so this means that damaging the alchemy world countered her hax, so all you need to counter their hax is raw power enough to damage their world, and think nobody here can say that God Serena don't have the raw power to damage her world. Speed also seems to be a factor to beat Luso and her hax as Erza needed to speedblitz her, and we know that God Serena have lightning and light dragon slayer magics to give him a speed advantage likely even greater than Erza.

Now about Enny the interesting is that when she saw Luso defeated she simply said ''no more cheap tricks'' and proceeded to just use Alchemy Armor. Can you see that Enny hersef downplayed their own hax? Like yes it can affect a lot of people but it's really that reliable in actual fight? I mean, against a strong opponent? Like i showed all you need to counter their hax is decent speed and raw power.

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I showed the concept of contender to say i don't need to show who else is a contender, by definition contender is not TOP 1 so if you wanna prove that Kirin is TOP 1 you will need way more than a contender statement because i could simply say that Haku>Kirin and won't be able to refute me without using feats. Wanna names? Suzaku, Misaki and Haku, ''but they weren't stated to be contenders'' so what? They were still equalized according to yourself remember? Even Madmole wasn't sure about equalizing them so i showed the concept of perharps to show that you guys were stretching this BDSK equality.

Bad loser? You can't classify Kirin as TOP 1 with your contender statement and i'm the bad loser? You can't debunk that the BDSK are just PEHARPS as strong as Suzaku and i'm the bad loser? You create a headcanon where Suzaku is obliged to have fought Misaki and i'm the bad loser? You can't deny that Kirin is as biased as you and i'm the bad loser? The agenda is strong in this one. And it's not my fault that you are interpreting me wrong, i didn't said that statements doesn't matter, i just said that these statements don't go anywhere and don't provide anything definitive, this is different from ''statements don't matter''. Besides Gray basically scaled Suzaku above Erza while he scaled Erza close to Misaki
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It's not my fault that ''peharps'' makes a huge difference in a phrase, it's pure and simple text interpretation.
Laxus couldn't put her down after many strikes, Suzaku just needed one with a NON NAMED attack
Where Kirin blitzed Laxus? He just launched an fast attack but couldn't put BASE Laxus down after multiple attacks, then he offscreened Red Lightning Laxus without defeating him completely, but then we discover that he was relying on a coffin which has a special effect on Laxus and even Laxus backing to BASE he still couldn't put him down. Suzaku survived an Dogramag killing intent attack, Kirin was one shotted by Laxus.
Neither Misaki put Erza down, try again
Dragon King Scales is a boost, show me a proof that Laxus can beat Natsu with Dragon King Scales.



I already showed all the official statements, from this time you are just conveniently ignoring my points so i see no use on continuing this

But about Signarios performance, why they deserve the benfit of doubt if yourself admits they performance was bad? This just smells Erza agenda or maybe Jellal slander, don't know, just don't sounds right

You're argument is the other contenders are someone in their guild, as opposed to just Laxus and Kirin, you bet your bottom dolllar you need to show something. Cause as it stands Selene, who has plenty of cred to tell us who is who power wise, clearly stated the two contenders are Laxus and Kirin. You're refuting that. Please actually provide something to do so, your pontifications on the deeper meaning of the words is not gunna cut it. You arent a wizard, you arent the author, you saying Haku is stronger means nothing. Madmole is an unsure statement based on your focus on perhaps, meaning Selene is the more reliable source. Provide statements to support or feats to suggest. Selene is a Dragon God able to discern that Irene is a seperate mass of magic leaching off Wendy when nobody else was stated or shown to even notice, her opinon on who is the strongest matters more than others. Lacking anything to refute lets move on since you've admitted an inability to defend this point.

I provided 3 supporting statements, your counter argument is statments aren't important. Seems you're the bad loser. You think the word perhaps unequalizes them and is something i need to debunk. Thats not something i feel the need to back and forth about because your feeling that way is irrelevant. Since i still have my other three statements, which outweigh that one word. If this is an issue for you, that's bad losing Provide something supporting your dissenting opinion. Your counter hasn't evolved past the word perhaps. I didn't create a headcannon. Misaki brags on her and Kirin's power, she doesn't mention Suzaku. meaning he's done nothing in the time he's been in the guild to make her feel like he's part of the "most powerful" conversation. No headcanon required, just reading statements. IF this bothers you, that's bad losing. Kirin said he could have won if he had more space to cut loose, that doesn't make him unreliable. IF you can't accep that, guess it's bad losing. I mean i'm good either way.

Nothing you've posted has worked for me, this entire time.

You're leaning on that word for dear life my guy, it's not floatation device, you'll drown that way.

Suzaku blitzed a recently beaten and then revenged Erza, if he one-shots a fresh one i'll be impressed my dude.
Good fight, worth a re-read. You seem to be confused, but Base Laxus is as good as his peers enhanced modes. Remember he owned Skullion and his crew in base.
He took other damage in the duel, and it's Red Lightning Dragon King Laxus so understandable.
Please refer to your own assertion that Mashima is unsure if Natsu can take him without full MC buffs.

 

[Ratrace]

Yeah, it may be just a theory but Luso could only use the furry transformations after using the chains on them, so it could be also a restriction as she might be hard to chain who is destroying everything around, but what we know for sure is that this destriction somewhat countered the signarios hax

Personally I think we will never really know why she didn’t/ couldn’t use those chains

 

[GodSlayer666]

You're argument is the other contenders are someone in their guild, as opposed to just Laxus and Kirin, you bet your bottom dolllar you need to show something. Cause as it stands Selene, who has plenty of cred to tell us who is who power wise, clearly stated the two contenders are Laxus and Kirin. You're refuting that. Please actually provide something to do so, your pontifications on the deeper meaning of the words is not gunna cut it. You arent a wizard, you arent the author, you saying Haku is stronger means nothing. Madmole is an unsure statement based on your focus on perhaps, meaning Selene is the more reliable source. Provide statements to support or feats to suggest. Selene is a Dragon God able to discern that Irene is a seperate mass of magic leaching off Wendy when nobody else was stated or shown to even notice, her opinon on who is the strongest matters more than others. Lacking anything to refute lets move on since you've admitted an inability to defend this point.

I provided 3 supporting statements, your counter argument is statments aren't important. Seems you're the bad loser. You think the word perhaps unequalizes them and is something i need to debunk. Thats not something i feel the need to back and forth about because your feeling that way is irrelevant. Since i still have my other three statements, which outweigh that one word. If this is an issue for you, that's bad losing Provide something supporting your dissenting opinion. Your counter hasn't evolved past the word perhaps. I didn't create a headcannon. Misaki brags on her and Kirin's power, she doesn't mention Suzaku. meaning he's done nothing in the time he's been in the guild to make her feel like he's part of the "most powerful" conversation. No headcanon required, just reading statements. IF this bothers you, that's bad losing. Kirin said he could have won if he had more space to cut loose, that doesn't make him unreliable. IF you can't accep that, guess it's bad losing. I mean i'm good either way.

Nothing you've posted has worked for me, this entire time.

You're leaning on that word for dear life my guy, it's not floatation device, you'll drown that way.

Suzaku blitzed a recently beaten and then revenged Erza, if he one-shots a fresh one i'll be impressed my dude.
Good fight, worth a re-read. You seem to be confused, but Base Laxus is as good as his peers enhanced modes. Remember he owned Skullion and his crew in base.
He took other damage in the duel, and it's Red Lightning Dragon King Laxus so understandable.
Please refer to your own assertion that Mashima is unsure if Natsu can take him without full MC buffs.

And your argument is ''ignore the peharps''. You act like Selene said that Kirin is top 1 when SHE NEVER SAID THAT. You ask me to say who more is a contender when in official translations the word contender was never used, you keep insisting on it when anyone here can verify that the official transaltions says ''two of the strongest'' but even playing by your rules i still debunk you by your your own rules because all BDSK were equalized by Madmole statement without the peharps, but then you simply knock down the chessboard and say that the bad loser it's me, but how the heck the other BDSK aren't contenders if yourself keep equalizing? And what i'm not denying any of the Selene words, Kirin is one of the strongest, but Suzaku is TOP 1

I provided the official statements of Madmole and Selene, Gray scaling Suzaku above Erza and Gray comparing Erza and Misaki to Gildarts and Laxus, so it's 4 statements. Without the world peharps neither Kirin could be the strongest genius. I already debunked all of your points but you are a bad loser and is knocking down the chessboard. Neither contender or one of the strongest means that Kirin is the strongest. Misaki statement means doghsit to Suzaku, unless you have a proof that Misaki fought Suzaku you have absolutely nothing. Kirin was delusional about winning against Laxus so nothing stops him from being delusional about being stronger than Suzaku, if it was Selene who have said Kirin was THE STRONGEST, fine you would win, but it's not the case, Kirin crying about losing simply undermines his credibility. I already said that but you keep REFUSING to understand.

Of course nothing i say is working, for you only your agenda and headcanon is valid, how can i change that? Everything i said here is verifiable and to know that you are just stretching words one just needs the minimum of reading comprehension.

Erza destroyed a meteor and ONE SHOTTED dragon Irene with BROKEN BONES, then tanked Misaki 5 hours of pain before fighting her. Erza have already fought youko is no excuse.
Gildarts is above Red Lightning Laxus, my point is Kirin needs to leech Gildarts feats to look truly stronger than Red Lightning Laxus because he relied too much on a coffin which specially countered Laxus, so he has to leech even Misaki.
You are the one claiming that Dragon King Scales is not a MC Buff, just asked to your claim

 

[GL_Nova]

And your argument is ''ignore the peharps''. You act like Selene said that Kirin is top 1 when SHE NEVER SAID THAT. You ask me to say who more is a contender when in official translations the word contender was never used, you keep insisting on it when anyone here can verify that the official transaltions says ''two of the strongest'' but even playing by your rules i still debunk you by your your own rules because all BDSK were equalized by Madmole statement without the peharps, but then you simply knock down the chessboard and say that the bad loser it's me, but how the heck the other BDSK aren't contenders if yourself keep equalizing? And what i'm not denying any of the Selene words, Kirin is one of the strongest, but Suzaku is TOP 1

I provided the official statements of Madmole and Selene, Gray scaling Suzaku above Erza and Gray comparing Erza and Misaki to Gildarts and Laxus, so it's 4 statements. Without the world peharps neither Kirin could be the strongest genius. I already debunked all of your points but you are a bad loser and is knocking down the chessboard. Neither contender or one of the strongest means that Kirin is the strongest. Misaki statement means doghsit to Suzaku, unless you have a proof that Misaki fought Suzaku you have absolutely nothing. Kirin was delusional about winning against Laxus so nothing stops him from being delusional about being stronger than Suzaku, if it was Selene who have said Kirin was THE STRONGEST, fine you would win, but it's not the case, Kirin crying about losing simply undermines his credibility. I already said that but you keep REFUSING to understand.

Of course nothing i say is working, for you only your agenda and headcanon is valid, how can i change that? Everything i said here is verifiable and to know that you are just stretching words one just needs the minimum of reading comprehension.

Erza destroyed a meteor and ONE SHOTTED dragon Irene with BROKEN BONES, then tanked Misaki 5 hours of pain before fighting her. Erza have already fought youko is no excuse.
Gildarts is above Red Lightning Laxus, my point is Kirin needs to leech Gildarts feats to look truly stronger than Red Lightning Laxus because he relied too much on a coffin which specially countered Laxus, so he has to leech even Misaki.
You are the one claiming that Dragon King Scales is not a MC Buff, just asked to your claim

My argument is perhaps doesn't invalidate an entire statement because that's not how the English Language works. Point blank fucking period. At best it paints Madmole as unsure, but since my main statements remain Slene, Misaki, and Kirin. Nothing changes. Also, in his uncertainty it's because they present as being equal to him and he could be wrong. That's still another statement placing them as equals. At best perhaps is simply acknowledging the possibility he is incorrect. That's the point and message of the statement yes? To his understanding their equals, but perhaps makes room for him to be wrong. Which he is, as Kirin is stronger.

Now to date, this is your first time saying the OT says this instead. I stated your scans were not working for me already. Quick check confirms that is the official printed translation. Now keep it a buck, that isn't the first glaring difference between what that person chooses and how everybody else translates it. So it's not she never said that, it's buddy at K likes this translation better. But before you get stuck on this, like you got stuck on that bad loser example. ("You're a bad loser, you insist that statements don't matter because you lack a counter to them. That makes you an unreliable debater. See how ridiculous that sounds as an argument.") That's not the argument, because even this translation works for me. See luckily for me, 1) Selene still just says two of the strongest are facing off. Welcome to my point where Selene's statement supports the original argument of BDSK are all Suzaku's equal. Here's the cool part, that does not mean the Inverse is true. 2) Selene is way more reliable than Madmole and at no point does she state that Suzaku is stronger. Nobody does.

That's 2 statements that do more for me than you. That's how you win. Madmole and Selene set them ans equals. Onto the next: Gray only ever says that he's stronger than Erza, while he directly compares Misaki to Laxus and Gildarts. "There's no question she has immense magic though" "Yeah, I figured that much out. This is how I felt when I was facing off with Laxus and Gildarts". Those Officials are a doozy ain't they. So she's comparing Misaki to the strongest people he knows, but all Suzaku got was he's stronger than Erza. Sounds explicitly like Misaki felt stronger to Gray. Did I miss somebody in the guild comparing Suzaku to Gildarts? Selene saying Suzaku is the strongest? If the official translation has that change too lemme know. Cause without that your counter argument is now down to 1 point. You need to prove why Misaki didn't mention Suzaku. She clearly mentions the people she considers superior to her and does so easily. She at no point makes mention of Suzaku. Your argument is because she has no experience with her guild mate of years. The burden of proof and evidence is on you. Especially since her statement as previously stated sets the precedent that their like any other guild and have bouts and such too. That and you insisting Kirin is unreliable because he insists he can beat Laxus in a more open battlefield. That's now the crux of your argument.

You're questioning my reading comprehension but you are the guy who read this: "You're a bad loser, you insist that statements don't matter because you lack a counter to them. That makes you an unreliable debater. See how ridiculous that sounds as an argument." A then spent the next several posts referencing this as though it was a real part of my argument thus making it part of the argument. Your great points I'm ignoring are again: he said perhaps (responded to this), you don't have statements (just gone over yet again) Kirin's delusional (really bro) and Misaki doesn't know jack about Suzaku. You're now insulting me because I haven't adjusted my understanding of the series to match yours. It's just a series and honestly you feel like you're being so objective but it just looks like you like Suzaku dude. It's still just a manga, so nothing worth getting upset over.


I didn't make an excuse, I told you why I'm not impressed. Your measure of what impresses you don't move me. We see Suzaku blitz a fresh Erza in modern time and we can talk. Until then, Erza beat Misaki and if you put her up against Suzaku, I think he getting bodied. Hell, Erza comes out of that fight with a new slash attack of her own.

I don't disagree but he did pretty well on his own. It would have been better with less coffin but I also don't write manga so I digress.

It's not a claim it's fact. It's a regular technique. Anything that other Slayers can do isn't it. Just like Flame Dragon King Mode is a just a technique. When he says MC Buff he means that power we see agaisnt the big bad of the arc. Those broken Flame of Emotion moments.

 

[GodSlayer666]

My argument is perhaps doesn't invalidate an entire statement because that's not how the English Language works. Point blank fucking period. At best it paints Madmole as unsure, but since my main statements remain Slene, Misaki, and Kirin. Nothing changes. Also, in his uncertainty it's because they present as being equal to him and he could be wrong. That's still another statement placing them as equals. At best perhaps is simply acknowledging the possibility he is incorrect. That's the point and message of the statement yes? To his understanding their equals, but perhaps makes room for him to be wrong. Which he is, as Kirin is stronger.

Now to date, this is your first time saying the OT says this instead. I stated your scans were not working for me already. Quick check confirms that is the official printed translation. Now keep it a buck, that isn't the first glaring difference between what that person chooses and how everybody else translates it. So it's not she never said that, it's buddy at K likes this translation better. But before you get stuck on this, like you got stuck on that bad loser example. ("You're a bad loser, you insist that statements don't matter because you lack a counter to them. That makes you an unreliable debater. See how ridiculous that sounds as an argument.") That's not the argument, because even this translation works for me. See luckily for me, 1) Selene still just says two of the strongest are facing off. Welcome to my point where Selene's statement supports the original argument of BDSK are all Suzaku's equal. Here's the cool part, that does not mean the Inverse is true. 2) Selene is way more reliable than Madmole and at no point does she state that Suzaku is stronger. Nobody does.

That's 2 statements that do more for me than you. That's how you win. Madmole and Selene set them ans equals. Onto the next: Gray only ever says that he's stronger than Erza, while he directly compares Misaki to Laxus and Gildarts. "There's no question she has immense magic though" "Yeah, I figured that much out. This is how I felt when I was facing off with Laxus and Gildarts". Those Officials are a doozy ain't they. So she's comparing Misaki to the strongest people he knows, but all Suzaku got was he's stronger than Erza. Sounds explicitly like Misaki felt stronger to Gray. Did I miss somebody in the guild comparing Suzaku to Gildarts? Selene saying Suzaku is the strongest? If the official translation has that change too lemme know. Cause without that your counter argument is now down to 1 point. You need to prove why Misaki didn't mention Suzaku. She clearly mentions the people she considers superior to her and does so easily. She at no point makes mention of Suzaku. Your argument is because she has no experience with her guild mate of years. The burden of proof and evidence is on you. Especially since her statement as previously stated sets the precedent that their like any other guild and have bouts and such too. That and you insisting Kirin is unreliable because he insists he can beat Laxus in a more open battlefield. That's now the crux of your argument.

You're questioning my reading comprehension but you are the guy who read this: "You're a bad loser, you insist that statements don't matter because you lack a counter to them. That makes you an unreliable debater. See how ridiculous that sounds as an argument." A then spent the next several posts referencing this as though it was a real part of my argument thus making it part of the argument. Your great points I'm ignoring are again: he said perhaps (responded to this), you don't have statements (just gone over yet again) Kirin's delusional (really bro) and Misaki doesn't know jack about Suzaku. You're now insulting me because I haven't adjusted my understanding of the series to match yours. It's just a series and honestly you feel like you're being so objective but it just looks like you like Suzaku dude. It's still just a manga, so nothing worth getting upset over.


I didn't make an excuse, I told you why I'm not impressed. Your measure of what impresses you don't move me. We see Suzaku blitz a fresh Erza in modern time and we can talk. Until then, Erza beat Misaki and if you put her up against Suzaku, I think he getting bodied. Hell, Erza comes out of that fight with a new slash attack of her own.

I don't disagree but he did pretty well on his own. It would have been better with less coffin but I also don't write manga so I digress.

It's not a claim it's fact. It's a regular technique. Anything that other Slayers can do isn't it. Just like Flame Dragon King Mode is a just a technique. When he says MC Buff he means that power we see agaisnt the big bad of the arc. Those broken Flame of Emotion moments.

LOL you start your argument defending the validity of ''peharps'' and end up invalidating it to say that Kirin is stronger decide what you want to defend dude. I don't know any other statement equalizing them but it seems that even you don't respect it anayway and i already debunked all the points that put Kirin as the strongest.

I put the links because the pics are already not working when i try to put directly here, Gray scales Suzaku above Erza at chapter 80, right after Suzaku one shotted her. Chapter 104 Gray compares Misaki to Laxus and Gildarts, Erza holding her own against Misaki before Heavenly Body enchantment and AFTER taking 5 hours of pain already scales Misaki below Suzaku while Kirin is scaled around Misaki. I don't have the official chapter but Gray replied Misaki saying she was underestimating Erza for wanting a 1v3 which means he didn't scaled Misaki that much above Erza, i guess official translations didn't changed completely that line.

You keep accusing me of saying statements doesn't matter when i never said that, i said that the statements you are using don't proof anything which is different. I'm recognizing the validity of the statements but saying they aren't enough to define who is the strongest. Contender or one of the strongest is far from enough to put him as top 1 for obvious reasons. Misaki saying that Kirin was the only one she went all out don't means that Kirin is stronger than Suzaku because Suzaku is not obliged to have fought Misaki. And Kirin lost any credibility he could have, not all characters are reliable narrators context matters and the personality of the characters also matters, Sting or GS thinking they could take Acnologia was beyond delusional, but for a less extreme example we have Jose who thought he could take Makarov as both were wizards saints but Makarov just screwed him. I also said that Suzaku don't need direct statements but this is not the same of statements doesn't matter, but by the fact that there is no reliable direct statement about who is the strongest we could just look at feats to conclude that Suzaku is superior, but if statements are so important to you we could just look at Gray scaling and put Misaki, Kirin and Gildarts below Suzaku.

Fine you found the official statement of chapter 104, i didn't had this one, and when i don't have and you show the official one i assume, but i already pointed that Erza still fought Misaki before using her HB power up and AFTER taking 5 hours of pain. Erza already stalemated Laxus and Gray seems to not have Gildarts on a whole level above Laxus so Suzaku is just above Gildarts and Laxus too by that comparison. And just to clarify Kirin and Misaki direct comparisons to Gildarts just means that these characters are comparable to Gildarts, but this don't stop Suzaku from being stronger than them just because he don't have a direct comparison with Gildarts, even Haku could have been stronger than them if his feats didn't paled in comparison because FEATS ALSO MATTERS which is different from statements doesn't matter.

Misaki only listed the WOMEN who are stronger than her, did i miss something or Suzaku is a girl now?

Laxus has the SAME kind of magic of Kirin, how the envoirement could have helped Kirin? Your argument is like ''Trust Kirin bro''

You recognized that peharps is what would validate any BDSK being stronger than the other. Outside of Kirin boastful claim what you have to put rank Kirin above any BDSK again? If you wanna prove that Suzaku is inferior to Misaki you have to first prove that he fought Misaki because her statement only talks about her fighting Kirin, no matter how long they have been in the guild Misaki fighting Suzaku before is just headcanon without a statement proving it, Miskai just said Kirin is the strongest guy she faced, she didn't said Kirin is the strongest guy in the guild or anything like that, even because she also DIDN'T FACED GEORG TOO, Georg is clearly stronger than Suzaku or Kirin and Misaki never went all out against him, so again what obliges Suzaku to have fought her? You are the one who started calling me a bad loser, so what you wanted? Cotton Candy? I firstly said that KIRIN was a bad loser.

It was not a excuse for ERZA. Erza wasn't freshed when she fought Misaki, yes it's Misaki merit for this but this still don't change the fact that the Erza she fought was far from fresh. Narratively wise yes Erza would trash even a dragon god if Hiro wants, but from feats i wouldn't say that Current Erza can beat Current Laxus or Suzaku, quite the opposite, if i were you i would start defending current Laxus>>>current Erza here, actually i would say Current Laxus>>>Gildarts too, let Gildarts do something or get new statements before ranking him above anyone, his statements are outdated as of now. And if she could beat Suzaku at Labyrinth Mashima would let his golden girl have a rematch.

I would have enjoyed more the fight if the coffin wasn't used as weapon at all, now it seems Kirin needs to be carried by portrayal

Natsu literally prevented himself from being one shotted with these scales which aren't regular, they are Dragon King Scales so only Laxus and Kirin can potentially awaken this level of defense boost too, maybe just Laxus due to becoming a more complete Dragon King class slayer. Besides the big bad of the arc turned into a dragon the moment he saw Suzaku again after being nerfed, not glazing Suzaku, when he become able to cut the labyrinth stones Dogra didn't wanted to try to tank him like he was tanking Natsu attacks, you can check chapter 117.

 

[GL_Nova]

LOL you start your argument defending the validity of ''peharps'' and end up invalidating it to say that Kirin is stronger decide what you want to defend dude. I don't know any other statement equalizing them but it seems that even you don't respect it anayway and i already debunked all the points that put Kirin as the strongest.

I put the links because the pics are already not working when i try to put directly here, Gray scales Suzaku above Erza at chapter 80, right after Suzaku one shotted her. Chapter 104 Gray compares Misaki to Laxus and Gildarts, Erza holding her own against Misaki before Heavenly Body enchantment and AFTER taking 5 hours of pain already scales Misaki below Suzaku while Kirin is scaled around Misaki. I don't have the official chapter but Gray replied Misaki saying she was underestimating Erza for wanting a 1v3 which means he didn't scaled Misaki that much above Erza, i guess official translations didn't changed completely that line.

You keep accusing me of saying statements doesn't matter when i never said that, i said that the statements you are using don't proof anything which is different. I'm recognizing the validity of the statements but saying they aren't enough to define who is the strongest. Contender or one of the strongest is far from enough to put him as top 1 for obvious reasons. Misaki saying that Kirin was the only one she went all out don't means that Kirin is stronger than Suzaku because Suzaku is not obliged to have fought Misaki. And Kirin lost any credibility he could have, not all characters are reliable narrators context matters and the personality of the characters also matters, Sting or GS thinking they could take Acnologia was beyond delusional, but for a less extreme example we have Jose who thought he could take Makarov as both were wizards saints but Makarov just screwed him. I also said that Suzaku don't need direct statements but this is not the same of statements doesn't matter, but by the fact that there is no reliable direct statement about who is the strongest we could just look at feats to conclude that Suzaku is superior, but if statements are so important to you we could just look at Gray scaling and put Misaki, Kirin and Gildarts below Suzaku.

Fine you found the official statement of chapter 104, i didn't had this one, and when i don't have and you show the official one i assume, but i already pointed that Erza still fought Misaki before using her HB power up and AFTER taking 5 hours of pain. Erza already stalemated Laxus and Gray seems to not have Gildarts on a whole level above Laxus so Suzaku is just above Gildarts and Laxus too by that comparison. And just to clarify Kirin and Misaki direct comparisons to Gildarts just means that these characters are comparable to Gildarts, but this don't stop Suzaku from being stronger than them just because he don't have a direct comparison with Gildarts, even Haku could have been stronger than them if his feats didn't paled in comparison because FEATS ALSO MATTERS which is different from statements doesn't matter.

Misaki only listed the WOMEN who are stronger than her, did i miss something or Suzaku is a girl now?

Laxus has the SAME kind of magic of Kirin, how the envoirement could have helped Kirin? Your argument is like ''Trust Kirin bro''

You recognized that peharps is what would validate any BDSK being stronger than the other. Outside of Kirin boastful claim what you have to put rank Kirin above any BDSK again? If you wanna prove that Suzaku is inferior to Misaki you have to first prove that he fought Misaki because her statement only talks about her fighting Kirin, no matter how long they have been in the guild Misaki fighting Suzaku before is just headcanon without a statement proving it, Miskai just said Kirin is the strongest guy she faced, she didn't said Kirin is the strongest guy in the guild or anything like that, even because she also DIDN'T FACED GEORG TOO, Georg is clearly stronger than Suzaku or Kirin and Misaki never went all out against him, so again what obliges Suzaku to have fought her? You are the one who started calling me a bad loser, so what you wanted? Cotton Candy? I firstly said that KIRIN was a bad loser.

It was not a excuse for ERZA. Erza wasn't freshed when she fought Misaki, yes it's Misaki merit for this but this still don't change the fact that the Erza she fought was far from fresh. Narratively wise yes Erza would trash even a dragon god if Hiro wants, but from feats i wouldn't say that Current Erza can beat Current Laxus or Suzaku, quite the opposite, if i were you i would start defending current Laxus>>>current Erza here, actually i would say Current Laxus>>>Gildarts too, let Gildarts do something or get new statements before ranking him above anyone, his statements are outdated as of now. And if she could beat Suzaku at Labyrinth Mashima would let his golden girl have a rematch.

I would have enjoyed more the fight if the coffin wasn't used as weapon at all, now it seems Kirin needs to be carried by portrayal

Natsu literally prevented himself from being one shotted with these scales which aren't regular, they are Dragon King Scales so only Laxus and Kirin can potentially awaken this level of defense boost too, maybe just Laxus due to becoming a more complete Dragon King class slayer. Besides the big bad of the arc turned into a dragon the moment he saw Suzaku again after being nerfed, not glazing Suzaku, when he become able to cut the labyrinth stones Dogra didn't wanted to try to tank him like he was tanking Natsu attacks, you can check chapter 117.

Dude. How many times do I have to say perhaps is irrelevant? Madmole's statement places them as equals. So does Selene's. Kirin and Misaki's statement places Kirin at the top of them. Boom. Done. Moving on.

He says he's stronger than Erza. He makes no mention of Gildarts. So he doesn't find him comparable or he'd have said it. He compares Misaki to Laxus and Gildarts the big dogs of the guild. Misaki comes out the winner in this exchange. Cause a direct comparison with Gildarts is more impressive than just stronger than Erza. Moving on.

Now Haku is stronger than them too? Come on bro, do you see how that makes the whole argument look.

I'm simply taking what was actually said and applying it. You are now arguing she never fought them, I'm arguing she said Kirin is top dude she's fought and she had to go all out to contend with him. It supports what Kirin has stated.

Yeah, she bragged about the battle with Kirin. A she states what girls are stronger than her flat out. You're the one who now wants to prove this is because she never fought anyone else. Do that.

My argument is he's not saying something wild, he's saying he could have won in a better battlefield and wants a rematch. Up until that moment...he had the upper hand. Your trying to stretch the into Kirin is a delusional sociopath who cannot be trusted. Ok bro

I don't have her over Laxus. I have Gildarts over both of them.

I like it because it creates the kind of doubt that allows another battle down the line to be fun.

Still doesn't change it's just a normal move. The MC buff is that Flame of Emotion, trust.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Dude. How many times do I have to say perhaps is irrelevant? Madmole's statement places them as equals. So does Selene's. Kirin and Misaki's statement places Kirin at the top of them. Boom. Done. Moving on.

He says he's stronger than Erza. He makes no mention of Gildarts. So he doesn't find him comparable or he'd have said it. He compares Misaki to Laxus and Gildarts the big dogs of the guild. Misaki comes out the winner in this exchange. Cause a direct comparison with Gildarts is more impressive than just stronger than Erza. Moving on.

Now Haku is stronger than them too? Come on bro, do you see how that makes the whole argument look.

I'm simply taking what was actually said and applying it. You are now arguing she never fought them, I'm arguing she said Kirin is top dude she's fought and she had to go all out to contend with him. It supports what Kirin has stated.

Yeah, she bragged about the battle with Kirin. A she states what girls are stronger than her flat out. You're the one who now wants to prove this is because she never fought anyone else. Do that.

My argument is he's not saying something wild, he's saying he could have won in a better battlefield and wants a rematch. Up until that moment...he had the upper hand. Your trying to stretch the into Kirin is a delusional sociopath who cannot be trusted. Ok bro

I don't have her over Laxus. I have Gildarts over both of them.

I like it because it creates the kind of doubt that allows another battle down the line to be fun.

Still doesn't change it's just a normal move. The MC buff is that Flame of Emotion, trust.

Where Selene places them as equals? She just says that Kirin and Laxus are two of the strongest from their respective guilds, how this make any equality with Kirin and BDSK? If i say Gray and Lucy are two of the strongest mages of Fairy Tail i wouldn't be wrong because they are stronger than vast majority but there are mages stronger than them in the guild and the statement don't equalize Gray and Lucy to any of them, just put them above the majority. You only have Kirin boastful claim, even Misaki statement is meaningless without it as she only scales HER TO KIRIN, nothing more nothing less.

He compares Misaki with Gildarts and thought she was underestimating Erza for wanting a 1v3 while he put Suzaku on a whole different level than Erza. Not direct statement but by comparing statements he basically puts Suzaku above Gildarts.

You need feats to say he isn't stronger than them, Haku wasn't directly compared to anyone, Kirin only have a boastful claim and a comparison with Misaki, just this is not enough to downplay Haku, but even with Haku being just a hax merchant you can still find redditors overglazing him and seriously arguing that he is indeed the strongest BDSK just because he affected the labyrinth creatures, not saying it's a valid take but you can't invalidate it with statements.

Just show me a proof that Misaki ever fought Suzaku and you win, without that Misaki statement is meaningless. Again Suzaku is not obliged to have fought Misaki.

If he have said ''Next time we meet we will have a rematch'' i wouldn't be able to say that kirin is being cocky or delusional, but in reality he was just making excuses like a kid who refuses to lose, Laxus has the same kind of magic of him, the envoirement factor also applies to him and he was still able of one shotting Kirin, so yes it's wild for him to have any chance of winning in a rematch without training to get stronger. Anyone else believes that Kirin is 100% reliable? You are literally the first person who i see defending Kirin not making a boastful claim, even Kirin defenders on Reddit can't defend Kirin credibility and mostly relies on talking about portrayal and stretching Selene words.

Then you don't know how to push your own agenda correctly, Laxus>>>Gildarts>Erza is a perfectly valid take, Kirin still leechs Gildarts so one shotting him put Laxus much above Gildarts, and Erza was almost double K.Oed by Misaki.

Flame of Emotion can go to FH Zeref level.

 

[One4All]

Anime has finally caught up the Laxus vs Erza battle. Debate about who really won is starting. I'll still give my vote to Laxus due to him having some energy left to carry the unconscious Erza while one shotting some wolfen seeds along the way. I must say they are on the same tier with Laxus barely ahead.

 

[LaGOAT]

Anime has finally caught up the Laxus vs Erza battle. Debate about who really won is starting. I'll still give my vote to Laxus due to him having some energy left to carry the unconscious Erza while one shotting some wolfen seeds along the way. I must say they are on the same tier with Laxus barely ahead.

Exactly this!!! I just watched the fight again this shows laxus>erza laxus stop took a seat,spoke to her and then fall over he didn’t fall to the ground like erza did to me that’s the difference

 

[GL_Nova]

Exactly this!!! I just watched the fight again this shows laxus>erza laxus stop a seat,spoke to hear and then fall over he didn’t fall to the ground like erza did to me that’s the difference

The anime doesn't seem to have people as divided on my TL. What are yall seeing?

 

[LaGOAT]

The anime doesn't seem to have people as divided on my TL. What are yall seeing?

Idk lol maybe the anime flushed it out better than the manga

 

[GL_Nova]

Idk lol maybe the anime flushed it out better than the manga

Yeah, people were so focused on the animation quality the battles didn't really start until late last night, and it's not as many as expected at all. I think because him sitting at the end, and the speech are animated so it just hits differently.

 

[sharkai]

Hades made short work of Erza in chapter 244 while Laxus was getting the upper hand for most part of their fight in chapter 245, it was pretty clear he was above Erza confirming what he thought in Battle of Fairy Tail. Even in GMG Jura was stated to be stronger than Erza and Mira together but Laxus soloed him.

Gildarts would likely force Hades to use his Devil Heart earlier which would have ended ugly for Fairy Tail team, so maybe it was better he wasn't there

yeah.i thought you would say that.
laxus was fresh and lasted few seconds against hades
gildarts, who has used less portion of his magic power than erza had, and was less injured than erza, couldnt even get up to fight hades.

comparing this erza to laxus is disingenuous argument.

Even in GMG Jura was stated to be stronger than Erza and Mira together but Laxus soloed him.

standard hype of enemies. phantom arc s class were compared to fairy tail s class, in the start
markarov thought entire natsu team couldnt handle ajeel.

Suzaku feat was not at beginning of the arc, Erza already jobbed to Youko and Natsu already jobbed to Hakune, when Suzaku one shotted Erza Gray confirmed that he was at a DIFFERENT LEVEL, so Gray quote reinforce his feat and even roasts statement scalers here, Gray says the guy is a level above people there, how this don't apply to Erza who was just one shotted? This same Erza hold her own against Misaki, you know, Erza before Heavenly Body enchantment still fought Misaki while Suzaku simply one shotted her. Suzaku>>>Misaki by statement scaling, i forgot to make this reasoning yesterday https://cdn.readfairytail.com/file/mangap/1175/10080000/16.jpeg Then Natsu got SERIOUS by that and was one shotted the same way. In Aldoron arc Suzaku tries to one shot again, but BECAUSE of the FDKM scales he couldn't, Natsu had to adapt to Suzaku otherwise the result would be the same, this was even pointed in the chapter.

for suzaku it is a new arc. he introduced as new hyped enemy. and there was claims that others were like him.
not suzaku >>>>>>>>>>>>kirin>misaki.
if that was true then they should have said no one was like him

Laxus statement was to say that he mastered his red lightning, yes it was a power increase, but not very power increase needs a statement. It is crystal clear that in Alvarez Erza did not have enchantments without Wendy help right? So she using enchantments like Belserion Sword in Mercphobia arc is enough to say that she had a power increase. In Aldoron arc she used Belserion Sword again and showed a new enchantment that uses both Gray and Natsu magics. Still Mercphobia arc she didn't fodderized Kyria like Laxus did, so even if she was holding back against Kyria the impression is that she had a huge power progression from an arc to the other, then we have the additional enchantment with Natsu and Gray magic. And if you read the fight again you will notice that Erza was portrayed as the underdog of the fight who like Rocky Balboa manged somewhat a stalemate, just look at how Laxus trahsed Erza lightning armor at the start. Besides there is a difference between assuming that Erza or any charcter growed through a new gimmick than assuming that Erza growed doing dogshit,

throughout this fight laxus growth was mentioned. while only thing about erza was that she wasnt serious. these are exact manga statements. after laxus asked erza to stop holding back they literally looked equal (except erza low tier attack matching laxus strongest, makes no sense lol).
why should i assume its erza who caught up. and then look for things to justify it.


the way i see it
pre ts erza = pre ts laxus
gmg SO erza = gmg three month training laxus
alverzec erza = alverzec laxus
then both got some boost
laxus got red lightening, erza got enchantment
100 year quest erza = 100 year quest laxus

there is no point in time, where erza had bigger boost than laxus (ignoring pof sh!t)

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Ok Laxus seriously downplayed Fairy Tail and wanked Evergreen, but i'm taking manga Mystogan personal scaling as a better source, he stated that Gildarts was the strongest and denied that Erza was weak, but didn't put her at the same level of him and Laxus as he did in the anime.

he is not gonna give a statement specifically to satisfy you. ff laxus and ff erza was already shown to be pretty equal

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I suggest going back and watching those fights. Erza and Jellal were pretty close until he absorbed his projection and then the fight was all him. Erza's kick is only equal to lowlevel lightning bolt to you my guy. She kicked him, which had no effect, she then equipped a specialized armor for a passive bolt. An yeah, we see Erza duel Natsu and shes taking it seriously. She didn't put him down effortlessly. An to date she has no comparable feat.

chapter 93
jellal vs erza is about to happen
jellal attacks, erza dodges everything except one.
that hit blows erza out of the tower. but she tanks it jumps back in and attack. jellal dodges.
hits her with vortex goop kind of thing, erza is trapped for one second. erza destroys the vortex thing. jellal is shocked
then jellal gets one shot

"https://ww7.readfairytail.com/chapter/fairy-tail-chapter-093/"

so no they werent pretty close. everything jellal threw had no effect on her

after absorbing the projection he dodges and turns on bind snake.
chapter 95. nothing shows he is above her

"Erza's kick is only equal to lowlevel lightning bolt to you my guy. She kicked him, which had no effect, she then equipped a specialized armor for a passive bolt."
that is correct low level armor for low level lightning bolt. why are you emphasizing this "equipped a specialized armor". you know its a low level armor.

"An yeah, we see Erza duel Natsu and shes taking it seriously. She didn't put him down effortlessly. An to date she has no comparable feat."
erza obviously wasnt gonna bully natsu like laxus. she is his big sister.
and she already one shot a guy who was making short works of natsu, so i dont know about not having comparable feat .
may i ask what was s class first test in tenrou arc? every single s class, including Mira was thought to be reasonable above Natsu and non s class mages.