Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GodSlayer666]

yeah.i thought you would say that.
laxus was fresh and lasted few seconds against hades
gildarts, who has used less portion of his magic power than erza had, and was less injured than erza, couldnt even get up to fight hades.

comparing this erza to laxus is disingenuous argument.




standard hype of enemies. phantom arc s class were compared to fairy tail s class, in the start
markarov thought entire natsu team couldnt handle ajeel.




for suzaku it is a new arc. he introduced as new hyped enemy. and there was claims that others were like him.
not suzaku >>>>>>>>>>>>kirin>misaki.
if that was true then they should have said no one was like him



throughout this fight laxus growth was mentioned. while only thing about erza was that she wasnt serious. these are exact manga statements. after laxus asked erza to stop holding back they literally looked equal (except erza low tier attack matching laxus strongest, makes no sense lol).
why should i assume its erza who caught up. and then look for things to justify it.


the way i see it
pre ts erza = pre ts laxus
gmg SO erza = gmg three month training laxus
alverzec erza = alverzec laxus
then both got some boost
laxus got red lightening, erza got enchantment
100 year quest erza = 100 year quest laxus

there is no point in time, where erza had bigger boost than laxus (ignoring pof sh!t)

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he is not gonna give a statement specifically to satisfy you. ff laxus and ff erza was already shown to be pretty equal

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chapter 93
jellal vs erza is about to happen
jellal attacks, erza dodges everything except one.
that hit blows erza out of the tower. but she tanks it jumps back in and attack. jellal dodges.
hits her with vortex goop kind of thing, erza is trapped for one second. erza destroys the vortex thing. jellal is shocked
then jellal gets one shot

"https://ww7.readfairytail.com/chapter/fairy-tail-chapter-093/"

so no they werent pretty close. everything jellal threw had no effect on her

after absorbing the projection he dodges and turns on bind snake.
chapter 95. nothing shows he is above her

"Erza's kick is only equal to lowlevel lightning bolt to you my guy. She kicked him, which had no effect, she then equipped a specialized armor for a passive bolt."
that is correct low level armor for low level lightning bolt. why are you emphasizing this "equipped a specialized armor". you know its a low level armor.

"An yeah, we see Erza duel Natsu and shes taking it seriously. She didn't put him down effortlessly. An to date she has no comparable feat."
erza obviously wasnt gonna bully natsu like laxus. she is his big sister.
and she already one shot a guy who was making short works of natsu, so i dont know about not having comparable feat .
may i ask what was s class first test in tenrou arc? every single s class, including Mira was thought to be reasonable above Natsu and non s class mages.

Fresh or not Erza was still part of Hades defeat, and many times we see her beating her opponents while not fresh. Erza already fought Kagura before curbstomping Minerva with second origin, in Tartarus Erza was tortured then fought Minerva and finally fought and defeated Kyouka, she destroyed a meteor and one shotted dragon Irene with broken bones, Erza is likely the worst character to defend while not fresh. Besides anime wise Laxus fought around 4 minutes and Gildarts was spanked by Bluenote while nerfed.

Since the start of the series is presented to us the discussion of who is strongest fairy tail mage: Mystogan or Laxus, Erza wasn't included in this discussion, this is brought back again in Battle of Fairy Tail but with Gildarts being siad to be stronger than them, but outside of Gildarts the discussion is still just between Mystogan and laxus, not Mystogan, Laxus and Erza. Then you can check chapter 259, right after the Natsu vs Max fight Gray states that people like Gildarts AND Laxus weren't powercreeped by the time skip, Erza wasn't included again, it's clear she was portrayed below the S Class mages not named Mirajane, her best pre-timeskip scaling is putting her above Jura the 10th wizard saint as she should be stronger than Siegrain who should be at least the 9th wizard saint.

Jura was also hyped to be comparable to Gildarts, his hype wasn't standard, he was clearly stronger than every other enemy in GMG and at least pre-second origin Erza was much weaker than Laxus. Besides later Laxus was the one restricted from taking part of the Tartarus arc.

God Serena carried most of the spriggan hype at the time, then we have Gildarts praising him as someone comparable to himself, which means he shold be above most spriggans and then Hiro confirmed that he was stronger Laxus, possibly at Alvarez, since Laxus could have one shotted Ajeel and has red lightning putting him even above that it's clear that Serena was much stronger than most spriggan despite being directly stated to be equal to them. The BDSK were just hyped to be PEHARPS equal to Suzaku, they are just somewhat comparable to him at best, maybe just comparable to him like most spriggans were comparable to Serena. Kirin thought he could still beat Laxus after being one shotted, my take is Suzaku is curren Laxus level which is solidly above the rest of BDSK, but not high enough to stop Kirin from being delusional. Gray even stated that Suzaku was a whole level above Erza, but thought that Misaki was underestimating her (chapter 80 and 104 100YQ) so feats and statements wise Suzaku>>>Misaki=Kirin. The equality hype is just the standard villain hype.

Because she seemed far weaker a arc ago (struggled with Kyria who was fodderized by Laxus) and in the end of the fight she thought she lost

Nothing equalizes Erza to Laxus till 100YQ, everything before suggest that Laxus was solidly above her

When Erza was shown to be equal to Laxus in the original series?

 

[kian]

Just putting this out here, Mirajane isn’t known for having the most reliable statements.

Mashima seems to have her underplay pretty much anything and everything

 

[Garmadooon]

I find it unfair to say that Laxus did better than Erza and the rest of Team Natsu against Hades in Tenrou arc. Do Laxus fans realize that the main team, including Erza, have had big fights before, where they were beaten and injured ? If not, then why are you crying because Laxus supposedly "wasted" magic on Kyria when she was no problem for him at all ? It's a super generous gesture from Laxus in the sense that he was saving the group and giving some of his MP to Natsu but it doesn't make him the most handsome or strongest compared to everyone else.

Mira's statement about Jura's strength in the GMG was just the usual Fairy Tail song about the villain hype at the beginning of the arc. Mira didn't know Erza had the Second Origin when she said that but there's no telling Jura would have been able to handle an Erza + Mira team at this point. Fairy Tail isn't only a matter of strenght or speed but also strategy, coopering and attacks potency.

 

[GL_Nova]

yeah.i thought you would say that.
laxus was fresh and lasted few seconds against hades
gildarts, who has used less portion of his magic power than erza had, and was less injured than erza, couldnt even get up to fight hades.

comparing this erza to laxus is disingenuous argument.




standard hype of enemies. phantom arc s class were compared to fairy tail s class, in the start
markarov thought entire natsu team couldnt handle ajeel.




for suzaku it is a new arc. he introduced as new hyped enemy. and there was claims that others were like him.
not suzaku >>>>>>>>>>>>kirin>misaki.
if that was true then they should have said no one was like him



throughout this fight laxus growth was mentioned. while only thing about erza was that she wasnt serious. these are exact manga statements. after laxus asked erza to stop holding back they literally looked equal (except erza low tier attack matching laxus strongest, makes no sense lol).
why should i assume its erza who caught up. and then look for things to justify it.


the way i see it
pre ts erza = pre ts laxus
gmg SO erza = gmg three month training laxus
alverzec erza = alverzec laxus
then both got some boost
laxus got red lightening, erza got enchantment
100 year quest erza = 100 year quest laxus

there is no point in time, where erza had bigger boost than laxus (ignoring pof sh!t)

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he is not gonna give a statement specifically to satisfy you. ff laxus and ff erza was already shown to be pretty equal

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chapter 93
jellal vs erza is about to happen
jellal attacks, erza dodges everything except one.
that hit blows erza out of the tower. but she tanks it jumps back in and attack. jellal dodges.
hits her with vortex goop kind of thing, erza is trapped for one second. erza destroys the vortex thing. jellal is shocked
then jellal gets one shot

"https://ww7.readfairytail.com/chapter/fairy-tail-chapter-093/"

so no they werent pretty close. everything jellal threw had no effect on her

after absorbing the projection he dodges and turns on bind snake.
chapter 95. nothing shows he is above her

"Erza's kick is only equal to lowlevel lightning bolt to you my guy. She kicked him, which had no effect, she then equipped a specialized armor for a passive bolt."
that is correct low level armor for low level lightning bolt. why are you emphasizing this "equipped a specialized armor". you know its a low level armor.

"An yeah, we see Erza duel Natsu and shes taking it seriously. She didn't put him down effortlessly. An to date she has no comparable feat."
erza obviously wasnt gonna bully natsu like laxus. she is his big sister.
and she already one shot a guy who was making short works of natsu, so i dont know about not having comparable feat .
may i ask what was s class first test in tenrou arc? every single s class, including Mira was thought to be reasonable above Natsu and non s class mages.

That was a cool explanation. Counter argument. Erza states her motivation is to guide him to the afterlife. She is then immediately put on the defensive, and blasted out the window. She is then unable to land a blow, and captured by his shadow magic. Here she does some cool swordplay and frees herself, before she captures him. Etherion blasts and he reveals he was waiting for this, they were never in danger from it, and merges with his thought projection to return to full strength. She then is unable to land another blow before he effortlessly captures her.

You're right, they don't come across as pretty close at all in this.

Cause it's specialized to allow her to deal with lightning, and therefore should have decent resistance on its own before her own MP is added to it, and it was absolutely demolished.

A comparable feat would be you showing her take on two (Natsu comparable) foes at the same time.

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I find it unfair to say that Laxus did better than Erza and the rest of Team Natsu against Hades in Tenrou arc. Do Laxus fans realize that the main team, including Erza, have had big fights before, where they were beaten and injured ? If not, then why are you crying because Laxus supposedly "wasted" magic on Kyria when she was no problem for him at all ? It's a super generous gesture from Laxus in the sense that he was saving the group and giving some of his MP to Natsu but it doesn't make him the most handsome or strongest compared to everyone else.

Mira's statement about Jura's strength in the GMG was just the usual Fairy Tail song about the villain hype at the beginning of the arc. Mira didn't know Erza had the Second Origin when she said that but there's no telling Jura would have been able to handle an Erza + Mira team at this point. Fairy Tail isn't only a matter of strenght or speed but also strategy, coopering and attacks potency.

I'm positive the entire fandom understands that. The issue is you want to equate that with them doing better than they have ever been portrayed to do. Hades is clear that their is a power gap between himself and the rest of his guild. THey struggled with said Guild. Now you want us to focus on their prior battles, but erase those battles. They still need to be a team to stand up to Hades. An Laxus had the power to smack Hades around, and based on Natsu's next attack, the power to force Hades to rely on the Grimoir Heart. So yeah, way more impressive.

Nobody is crying, we're saying you're only argument is that Laxus said he was out of magic. Literally take that away and your tie argument evaporates. Laxus expended magic battling Kyria. Who up to this point has been more than a great foil for Erza. It's a pretty direct comparison.

Ok, and with the Origin released she used a special armor to beat her opponent, but she was still on the same power level as those ladies. Until Alvarez, because she has another round with demon princess later.

This is the power discussion board, we have a place for you to argue that with cunning and expereince your fav wins (battle topics specifically). Here we argue, this character is more powerful than this charcter.

 

[sharkai]

Fresh or not Erza was still part of Hades defeat, and many times we see her beating her opponents while not fresh. Erza already fought Kagura before curbstomping Minerva with second origin, in Tartarus Erza was tortured then fought Minerva and finally fought and defeated Kyouka, she destroyed a meteor and one shotted dragon Irene with broken bones, Erza is likely the worst character to defend while not fresh. Besides anime wise Laxus fought around 4 minutes and Gildarts was spanked by Bluenote while nerfed.

this is all irrelavant. if we are to scale likethat then tenrou erza would be considered above gildarts, because she was in the fight against hades, while gildarts couldnt even get up.
effects of not being fresh was clearly shown in the very next arc, nearly at the end of the tournament, sting was portrayed to be able to take out all the fairy tail team. you might not agree with it, but the inside the manga, all the audience expression were clear. mishma was telling us they could lose againsr fresh sting.

From reader point of view, for everyone except natsu, if you had your arc battle, you will not shine after that. erza already shone pretty brightly against Azuma, that was the reason she didnt perform against Hades.

Since the start of the series is presented to us the discussion of who is strongest fairy tail mage: Mystogan or Laxus, Erza wasn't included in this discussion, this is brought back again in Battle of Fairy Tail but with Gildarts being siad to be stronger than them, but outside of Gildarts the discussion is still just between Mystogan and laxus, not Mystogan, Laxus and Erza.

not true. this fan made. lucy even showed hierarchy. erza stood with the rest. mishma went out of his way not have jellal, erza and laxus fight. and never mentioned who was stronger among them. fan created the laxus hype following laxus boosting about himself

Then you can check chapter 259, right after the Natsu vs Max fight Gray states that people like Gildarts AND Laxus weren't powercreeped by the time skip, Erza wasn't included again, it's clear she was portrayed below the S Class mages not named Mirajane,

correct. and do you know what happened after that.
Laxus required a power creep to contest. while erza went right through the entire tournament without requiring a power creep. using it against minerva only.

her best pre-timeskip scaling is putting her above Jura the 10th wizard saint as she should be stronger than Siegrain who should be at least the 9th wizard saint.

false. Siegrain was most likely 10th WS with jellal combined. We dont know exactly. but most likley jellal had to use his full power to be considered 9th WS. Siegrain wasnt even solid. pre ts erza was said to have the power of WS (maybe around 9th or 10th). She low diffed jellal with thought projection, thus its pretty much clear that jellal using thought projection wasnt that strong (not WS material). this also showed start of series erza was around jellal and jura. in GMG arc they most likely are still same.
erza with SO
Jura with 7 years hard training
Jellal with 7 year plus SO
they are all most likely same

Jura was also hyped to be comparable to Gildarts, his hype wasn't standard, he was clearly stronger than every other enemy in GMG and at least pre-second origin Erza was much weaker than Laxus. Besides later Laxus was the one restricted from taking part of the Tartarus arc.

it is standard hype. he is stronger than all the enimies. if mira thought laxus was stronger than she would have compared jura with laxus.

pre ts erza took out WS tier monster and 99 other monsters, she could move faster than markarov could follow. she could attack at jupitor cannon level and she could tank attack that made jura shocked that someone this strong was here (erza vs kagura, gmg arc). SO erza is pretty much gmg jura tier

(note: mishma made all power creeps equal. OS jura was pretty OS erza tier, that is gmg jura most likely is SO erza tier)

God Serena carried most of the spriggan hype at the time, then we have Gildarts praising him as someone comparable to himself, which means he shold be above most spriggans and then Hiro confirmed that he was stronger Laxus, possibly at Alvarez, since Laxus could have one shotted Ajeel and has red lightning putting him even above that it's clear that Serena was much stronger than most spriggan despite being directly stated to be equal to them. The BDSK were just hyped to be PEHARPS equal to Suzaku, they are just somewhat comparable to him at best, maybe just comparable to him like most spriggans were comparable to Serena. Kirin thought he could still beat Laxus after being one shotted, my take is Suzaku is curren Laxus level which is solidly above the rest of BDSK, but not high enough to stop Kirin from being delusional. Gray even stated that Suzaku was a whole level above Erza, but thought that Misaki was underestimating her (chapter 80 and 104 100YQ) so feats and statements wise Suzaku>>>Misaki=Kirin. The equality hype is just the standard villain hype.

you are getting into too much detail to prove the manga wrong. kirin is said to be one of the strongest, and there are three more like suzaku.(BDSK).
Suzaku feat when erza and natsu were jobbing (as they do with almost every new villian) puts him far above kirin and misaki. if we go by feats, no one like suzaku exist in that guild. we have to understand how mishma writes. and then answer becomes clear.
there were people here who bought suzaku hype and embarrassed themselves pretty badly. i along with some others, didnt buy the hype. we knew how mishma shows new villain. and sure enough erza and laxus defeated people who are portrayed to be equal or above him. pretty much invaliding that suzaku could have one shot a slightly serious erza or serious natsu.

Because she seemed far weaker a arc ago (struggled with Kyria who was fodderized by Laxus) and in the end of the fight she thought she lost

erza jobs in the start.

Nothing equalizes Erza to Laxus till 100YQ, everything before suggest that Laxus was solidly above her

fan made again.
laxus has never defeated one person that erza couldnt. laxus has never been said to be above erza either.

When Erza was shown to be equal to Laxus in the original series?

when was laxus shown to be equal to erza in the original series? when was he shown stronger?
Hades fight is not good comparison, erza was more tired and more injured than even gildarts.
Laxus beat jura in gmg. erza took out kagura and minerva in gmg

in start of alverzec, laxus looked stronger. than it looked like erza might low diff laxus (erza vs irene and ROT aconlogia)

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That was a cool explanation. Counter argument. Erza states her motivation is to guide him to the afterlife. She is then immediately put on the defensive, and blasted out the window. She is then unable to land a blow, and captured by his shadow magic. Here she does some cool swordplay and frees herself, before she captures him. Etherion blasts and he reveals he was waiting for this, they were never in danger from it, and merges with his thought projection to return to full strength. She then is unable to land another blow before he effortlessly captures her.

this is literally how erza fights.
laxus fights with explosive powers, not allowing others to do anything, frankly a cowardly way. erza allows her opponents to show all their moves.
fact is jellal with thought projection had zero effect on her. infact, Natsu injured laxus more in the start of ff battle.

you are misguiding with saying "he effortlessly captures her". this way erza could effortlessly captures gildarts, all she had to was to get gildarts to hug her.

Cause it's specialized to allow her to deal with lightning, and therefore should have decent resistance on its own before her own MP is added to it, and it was absolutely demolished.

is it low level armor or not? how many people has she taken out with that armour. this was clearly shown in 100 year quest, that armor was waste of time

A comparable feat would be you showing her take on two (Natsu comparable) foes at the same time.

she literally one shot aria. a nerfed version of aria was kicking natsu a$$.
pre ts erza defeated WS tier monster along with 99 other monster together.

Natsu wasnt even WS tier lol

ok give me comparable feat of laxus like erza blasting aconlogia across the sky. or destroying a August tier dragon with one hit.

 

[Garmadooon]

I'm positive the entire fandom understands that. The issue is you want to equate that with them doing better than they have ever been portrayed to do. Hades is clear that their is a power gap between himself and the rest of his guild. THey struggled with said Guild. Now you want us to focus on their prior battles, but erase those battles. They still need to be a team to stand up to Hades. An Laxus had the power to smack Hades around, and based on Natsu's next attack, the power to force Hades to rely on the Grimoir Heart. So yeah, way more impressive.

I'm not saying Team Natsu would have defeated Hades. You are right about the fact that Team Natsu struggled against the 7kins who were even weaker than Bluenote individually. But without their injuries they could have at least dealt him good blows like Laxus and forced him to use his full power to beat them. What I'm saying is that you can't make a fair comparison between injured people and a fresh Laxus who hasn't had any previous fights.

I can give you an example:

Imagine if Laxus had fought August right after his victory against Wahl. By this time Laxus was injured and had spent a lot of magic to defeat his opponent so he wasn't fresh. August used one of his spells to one shot him without trying because Laxus was so weakened that he couldn't even land a hit.
Natsu then arrives to save Laxus. He hasn't had a fight before and he's 100%. He performs better than Laxus giving August a good fight just by using FDKM (No DF or Igneel residue). Would you have accepted that people would say Alvarez FDKM Natsu >>>>>>>>> Alvarez RL Laxus ?

That would be unfair to compare fresh Natsu vs wrecked Laxus just like it's unfair to compare fresh Laxus vs wrecked Erza. You can say he was stronger in Fantasia arc because his thunder Palace could KO Erza (and even then he would never stomp her it would be a high diff) but you can't make a fair comparaison in Tenrou arc because he only came at last moment to save the main team.

Nobody is crying, we're saying you're only argument is that Laxus said he was out of magic. Literally take that away and your tie argument evaporates. Laxus expended magic battling Kyria. Who up to this point has been more than a great foil for Erza. It's a pretty direct comparison.

My tie argument comes not only from the fact that Laxus was out of MP but from the fact that Mashima wrote double KO for both of them unconscious (cover chapter 46). And Laxus didn't "spend" magic on Kyria the only meaningful thing he did was his Roaring Thunder but that's nothing compared to his RL punches. Kyria wasn't at Erza level, she gave her a mid diff fight and Erza became stronger between the Mercphobia arc (where she could only enchant DS magic) and Aldoron (where she could enchant others' powers).

Ok, and with the Origin released she used a special armor to beat her opponent, but she was still on the same power level as those ladies. Until Alvarez, because she has another round with demon princess later.

This is the power discussion board, we have a place for you to argue that with cunning and expereince your fav wins (battle topics specifically). Here we argue, this character is more powerful than this charcter.

Second Origin doesn't give only a new move but also a statistic buff. She could beat amped Minerva in Tartaros just using punches and kicks so she wasn't on those ladies' level but above. This statement suggested that GMG Jura >> GMG Mira in 1v1 and GMG Jura >> Tenrou Erza in 1v1 but not GMG Jura >>> GMG Erza + Mira combined. Laxus himself was portrayed to have no chance by Makarov's and Mavis' statement but he won high-extreme diff so Jura wasn't invicible.

I agree but to speculate about who is stronger you have to use performances statistics and circumstances of fight instead of headcanon to make your faves far stronger than everyone. Laxus don't need to be the strongest to be a great character his generosity and his characters traits are what make him an attrayant character to like, not his power level.

 

[GodSlayer666]

this is all irrelavant. if we are to scale likethat then tenrou erza would be considered above gildarts, because she was in the fight against hades, while gildarts couldnt even get up.
effects of not being fresh was clearly shown in the very next arc, nearly at the end of the tournament, sting was portrayed to be able to take out all the fairy tail team. you might not agree with it, but the inside the manga, all the audience expression were clear. mishma was telling us they could lose againsr fresh sting.

From reader point of view, for everyone except natsu, if you had your arc battle, you will not shine after that. erza already shone pretty brightly against Azuma, that was the reason she didnt perform against Hades.



not true. this fan made. lucy even showed hierarchy. erza stood with the rest. mishma went out of his way not have jellal, erza and laxus fight. and never mentioned who was stronger among them. fan created the laxus hype following laxus boosting about himself



correct. and do you know what happened after that.
Laxus required a power creep to contest. while erza went right through the entire tournament without requiring a power creep. using it against minerva only.


false. Siegrain was most likely 10th WS with jellal combined. We dont know exactly. but most likley jellal had to use his full power to be considered 9th WS. Siegrain wasnt even solid. pre ts erza was said to have the power of WS (maybe around 9th or 10th). She low diffed jellal with thought projection, thus its pretty much clear that jellal using thought projection wasnt that strong (not WS material). this also showed start of series erza was around jellal and jura. in GMG arc they most likely are still same.
erza with SO
Jura with 7 years hard training
Jellal with 7 year plus SO
they are all most likely same




it is standard hype. he is stronger than all the enimies. if mira thought laxus was stronger than she would have compared jura with laxus.

pre ts erza took out WS tier monster and 99 other monsters, she could move faster than markarov could follow. she could attack at jupitor cannon level and she could tank attack that made jura shocked that someone this strong was here (erza vs kagura, gmg arc). SO erza is pretty much gmg jura tier

(note: mishma made all power creeps equal. OS jura was pretty OS erza tier, that is gmg jura most likely is SO erza tier)




you are getting into too much detail to prove the manga wrong. kirin is said to be one of the strongest, and there are three more like suzaku.(BDSK).
Suzaku feat when erza and natsu were jobbing (as they do with almost every new villian) puts him far above kirin and misaki. if we go by feats, no one like suzaku exist in that guild. we have to understand how mishma writes. and then answer becomes clear.
there were people here who bought suzaku hype and embarrassed themselves pretty badly. i along with some others, didnt buy the hype. we knew how mishma shows new villain. and sure enough erza and laxus defeated people who are portrayed to be equal or above him. pretty much invaliding that suzaku could have one shot a slightly serious erza or serious natsu.



erza jobs in the start.



fan made again.
laxus has never defeated one person that erza couldnt. laxus has never been said to be above erza either.



when was laxus shown to be equal to erza in the original series? when was he shown stronger?
Hades fight is not good comparison, erza was more tired and more injured than even gildarts.
Laxus beat jura in gmg. erza took out kagura and minerva in gmg

in start of alverzec, laxus looked stronger. than it looked like erza might low diff laxus (erza vs irene and ROT aconlogia)

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this is literally how erza fights.
laxus fights with explosive powers, not allowing others to do anything, frankly a cowardly way. erza allows her opponents to show all their moves.
fact is jellal with thought projection had zero effect on her. infact, Natsu injured laxus more in the start of ff battle.

you are misguiding with saying "he effortlessly captures her". this way erza could effortlessly captures gildarts, all she had to was to get gildarts to hug her.



is it low level armor or not? how many people has she taken out with that armour. this was clearly shown in 100 year quest, that armor was waste of time



she literally one shot aria. a nerfed version of aria was kicking natsu a$$.
pre ts erza defeated WS tier monster along with 99 other monster together.

Natsu wasnt even WS tier lol

ok give me comparable feat of laxus like erza blasting aconlogia across the sky. or destroying a August tier dragon with one hit.

But it wasn't Erza vs Hades, it was the entire team Natsu vs Hades, this don't helps Erza. The effects of not being fresh are only relevant when the characters themeselves highlight it, like you pointed everyone fought before Hades but this didn't stopped them from having the shine of beating him in the end.

Erza barely defeated Azuma who wasn't even the strongest minion, let's be real Erza was weaker than every single arc boss, Laxus was an arc boss, Jose said she could only fight better against him without the nerf.

Erza was just stated to be the strongest female, the strongest male mage was between Laxus and Mystogan outside Makarov and before Gildarts concept (chapter 22), note that August also ws the strongest male mage and also the strongest overall. But when Mystogan appeared only Makarov and Laxus didn't fallen into his sleep magic, portrayaing them above Erza, then we have Laxus ranking Erza below him while recognizing Mystogan as his equal, even if Laxus was baised he wasn't biased enough to deny Gildarts superiority or that Mystogan could be stronger than him if he win in a fight, and again Mystogan didn't denied Erza inferiority to them, he just denied she being regarded as weak. Laxus fight against Hades just helps this portrayal and Gildarts and Laxus are still the only ones mentioned to not suffer with powercreep like the others.

Laxus just did a normal training to fill the gap between him and Gildarts, Erza did a little normal training and got the second origin, nothing here nullfies the Gray powercreep statement. Laxus and Gildarts didn't suffered MUCH with powercreep, but they still stopped during 7 years. If Erza only used her second origin against Minerva was because the entire rest of her opponents were just that weak while Laxus opponents were an entire guild and the strongest enemy in GMG.

LOL this is too much headcanon. No matter how you see it Jura was shown to be the 10th Wizard Saint AFTER Siegrain defection, so there are only two options: Or Jura was promoted to be the weakest wizard saint after the vacancy or he was already the 10th and his position didn't changed at all, either way he is weaker than Siegrain, and full power Jellal position is pure speculation. The Magic Coucil would have supspected if they sensed Siegrain far weaker than he normally is. Siegrain could have had more than half of Jellal powers but anyway pre-timeskip Erza>>pre-timeskip Jura, i would even say that Midnight and Azuma>pre-timeskip Jura. Jura growth being higher than Jellal growth is just Mashima writing, nothing to overreact.

Yes but she still compared with Gildarts, the true strongest of the time, and Laxus still had a extreme diff fight with Jura
Which monster? I only rank Midnight and Azuma as WS tier pre-timeskip Erza opponents.
She shocked Jura but this don't means she is really at his level.

You can only claim that Erza and Natsu were jobbing when they get a rematch. Natsu even got a rematch with him but the result WOULD BE THE SAME without Dragon King Scales. Gray even stated that Suzaku was a whole level above them menaing they werent jobbing, they were defeated in fair way. Natsu and Erza usually jobs when the opponent uses a hax, but Suzaku fights using his raw power. Erza was defeated by Kyria, Youko and Luso but defeated them while bloodlusted, with Suzaku she didn't got a rematch to prove she is stronger and Gray even pointed that she wasn't stronger. None of the BDSK are above Suzaku, all of them are soldily below him, Madmole just said that they were PEHARPS as strong as him, so just comparable, and Kirin is just one of the strongest, but gap between top 1 and top 2 could be huge as it is, so nothing is invalidated, again Natsu NEEDED Dragon King Scales to not be one shotted again.

I was talking when she DEEFATED Kyria, not when lost. When she won she still didn't fodderized her like Laxus did, quite the opposite, they were having an somewhat equal clash and Kyria wasn't even completely down.

Erza beinga able of beating Jura is just headcanon the only other who could beat Jura at GMG was Jellal with Sema and in Alvarez she wasn't even soloing Ajeel so she couldn't solo Wall. Against Irene she was carried by Wendy enchantments, the fight don't place her higher than even Gray or Gajeel.

I already pointed the times Laxus was portrayed above her in previous paragraphs. Alvarez Erza low diffing Laxus is pure wank, i already said that she was carried by Wendy enchantments in Irene fight, Wendy countered Irene enchantments and enchanted Erza's sword with dragon slayer magic otherwise even the strength to cut the meteor would be useless as pointed by Irene, her dragon scales were harder than the meteor, but she was too vulnerable to dragon slayer magic. I can't even put this version of Erza above DF Gajeel or END fight Gray, let alone Laxus.

 

[Ratrace]

I'm not saying Team Natsu would have defeated Hades. You are right about the fact that Team Natsu struggled against the 7kins who were even weaker than Bluenote individually. But without their injuries they could have at least dealt him good blows like Laxus and forced him to use his full power to beat them. What I'm saying is that you can't make a fair comparison between injured people and a fresh Laxus who hasn't had any previous fights.

I can give you an example:

Imagine if Laxus had fought August right after his victory against Wahl. By this time Laxus was injured and had spent a lot of magic to defeat his opponent so he wasn't fresh. August used one of his spells to one shot him without trying because Laxus was so weakened that he couldn't even land a hit.
Natsu then arrives to save Laxus. He hasn't had a fight before and he's 100%. He performs better than Laxus giving August a good fight just by using FDKM (No DF or Igneel residue). Would you have accepted that people would say Alvarez FDKM Natsu >>>>>>>>> Alvarez RL Laxus ?

you would think team Natsu would have at least rested before fighting against hades and/or healed

 

[LaGOAT]

Also Wendy boosted them while erza and gray even tho they werent hundred percent vs hades the issue by that logic they are saying TI laxus> team natsu. Which as a laxus fan don’t think can beat them even if they ain’t 100%

 

[GL_Nova]

I'm not saying Team Natsu would have defeated Hades. You are right about the fact that Team Natsu struggled against the 7kins who were even weaker than Bluenote individually. But without their injuries they could have at least dealt him good blows like Laxus and forced him to use his full power to beat them. What I'm saying is that you can't make a fair comparison between injured people and a fresh Laxus who hasn't had any previous fights.

I can give you an example:

Imagine if Laxus had fought August right after his victory against Wahl. By this time Laxus was injured and had spent a lot of magic to defeat his opponent so he wasn't fresh. August used one of his spells to one shot him without trying because Laxus was so weakened that he couldn't even land a hit.
Natsu then arrives to save Laxus. He hasn't had a fight before and he's 100%. He performs better than Laxus giving August a good fight just by using FDKM (No DF or Igneel residue). Would you have accepted that people would say Alvarez FDKM Natsu >>>>>>>>> Alvarez RL Laxus ?

That would be unfair to compare fresh Natsu vs wrecked Laxus just like it's unfair to compare fresh Laxus vs wrecked Erza. You can say he was stronger in Fantasia arc because his thunder Palace could KO Erza (and even then he would never stomp her it would be a high diff) but you can't make a fair comparaison in Tenrou arc because he only came at last moment to save the main team.




My tie argument comes not only from the fact that Laxus was out of MP but from the fact that Mashima wrote double KO for both of them unconscious (cover chapter 46). And Laxus didn't "spend" magic on Kyria the only meaningful thing he did was his Roaring Thunder but that's nothing compared to his RL punches. Kyria wasn't at Erza level, she gave her a mid diff fight and Erza became stronger between the Mercphobia arc (where she could only enchant DS magic) and Aldoron (where she could enchant others' powers).



Second Origin doesn't give only a new move but also a statistic buff. She could beat amped Minerva in Tartaros just using punches and kicks so she wasn't on those ladies' level but above. This statement suggested that GMG Jura >> GMG Mira in 1v1 and GMG Jura >> Tenrou Erza in 1v1 but not GMG Jura >>> GMG Erza + Mira combined. Laxus himself was portrayed to have no chance by Makarov's and Mavis' statement but he won high-extreme diff so Jura wasn't invicible.

I agree but to speculate about who is stronger you have to use performances statistics and circumstances of fight instead of headcanon to make your faves far stronger than everyone. Laxus don't need to be the strongest to be a great character his generosity and his characters traits are what make him an attrayant character to like, not his power level.

Maybe you can't, because you can't understand how it works, but the rest of us can. Hades clearly compares Laxus to Gildarts, and states he didn't realize Makarov had another pawn of that quality. There are no Erza/Gildarts comparisons. No Erza Bluenote comparisons. They were expected to be beaten by the Regular members, not his Ace. Yes, they are injured, but that's not the point. The point is none of them were shown or suggested to be a 1v1 match for Hades. Your argument is you assume a fresh Erza could. That a fresh team would win? Ok, what's that gotta do with Laxus? He did it alone, they need to act as a squad...


You make allot of assumptions here, but let's go. If Laxus used RL and lost and Natsu gave him a good match to save him. I would 100% have taken that as Mashima's intent, to show that Natsu has caught up to/surpassed Laxus. Cause that would be the obvious portrayal. I would lament wanting to see a rested Laxus fight August, but it is what it is. I argue the Manga as it happens, not as I'd like it to be. You don't want to compare them because it makes Erza look bad, but if they had August state that Wahl was one of his weaker Lts, and Laxus struggled with him (is he sick? Cause that would be the only thing I'd still argue, because his sick performance against Wahl was quite impressive) and then he can't put up a fight. I can't go "well if he was rested and well he'd be a threat to him" and be taken seriously. You want me to take you seriously though. Erza lost to a Soldier, she didn't face his Ace and get all messed up. Just a regular member of the 7 Kin. An even if she was well rested, she still would have shown up as a squad. Nothing suggests she could challenge Hades 1v1 like Laxus did and do any kind of damage, other than your assumption she is equal to Laxus. Provide something that supports that or we're at an impasse. Cause your just making excuses from where I'm sitting.

End of the fight they are both down, but as shown by the animation, Laxus doesn't pass out like her. Mashima pointing out both are down, doesn't invalidate the 4 page speech he had Erza give about her loss. Neither does the one statement, that's my line, in response to someone declaring they'll win the next fight for sure. Yall keep trying to make it though. Next, Laxus fought Kyria for several chapters, we see that he has used lightning punches, we see that they have continued to battle. He then used Roaring Thunder to put her down and keep her down after she gets up that last time. Again, you want me to ignore the manga because it doesn't fit your narrative. She broke Erza's sword, beat her outright the first fight. Tanked her spell and was still ready to fight the second round. She is operating at base Erza level and you're gunna have to do some impressive arguing to undo that portrayal from the source material. I'm all for it though, go ahead. Until you manage that, Laxus literally beat a base level Erza opponent, and still had power left to put Erza herself down.

Huh? Erza faces demon Minerva with her swords and armor...so I dunno what you're arguing here. Also, what about the later arc has to do with Mira's statement? SO let her operate an armor she apparently couldn't before and let her get a one-shot, but the armor is also the largest hax she has. None of which invalidates Mira's assessment, which Makarov's opinion supports as you yourself pointed out. An Laxus absolutely had to work for it, one of my favorite Laxus fights. (My favorite until the Kirin match up, because we see Laxus pushed to the limit and digging deep!!)


Here's the problem though. I am, you just don't like them. First let's settle this. Gildarts is the strongest, period. Laxus is next up, but any chapter now we could see Natsu leave him in the dust, without the MC buffs. He's the future Ace of the guild. I think Erza joined Gildarts and Laxus in the Alvarez arc, her duel with her Mom was meant to prove it, and Misaki only exists because people didn't accept it because of Wendy's backup. I don't need Laxus to be far stronger. I am saying Laxus wins against most of the guild, and the top tier at best get a tie for now. Cause the manga shows that Laxus is either winning, or they at best can get a tie. When they surpass Laxus, I'll be sad because he'll probably get Makarov'd, but it's what I expect because he isn't the main star of the story. He's the badass big brother, who shows up when his younger siblings are in a bind, and that's what I love about him.

this is all irrelavant. if we are to scale likethat then tenrou erza would be considered above gildarts, because she was in the fight against hades, while gildarts couldnt even get up.
effects of not being fresh was clearly shown in the very next arc, nearly at the end of the tournament, sting was portrayed to be able to take out all the fairy tail team. you might not agree with it, but the inside the manga, all the audience expression were clear. mishma was telling us they could lose againsr fresh sting.

From reader point of view, for everyone except natsu, if you had your arc battle, you will not shine after that. erza already shone pretty brightly against Azuma, that was the reason she didnt perform against Hades.



not true. this fan made. lucy even showed hierarchy. erza stood with the rest. mishma went out of his way not have jellal, erza and laxus fight. and never mentioned who was stronger among them. fan created the laxus hype following laxus boosting about himself



correct. and do you know what happened after that.
Laxus required a power creep to contest. while erza went right through the entire tournament without requiring a power creep. using it against minerva only.


false. Siegrain was most likely 10th WS with jellal combined. We dont know exactly. but most likley jellal had to use his full power to be considered 9th WS. Siegrain wasnt even solid. pre ts erza was said to have the power of WS (maybe around 9th or 10th). She low diffed jellal with thought projection, thus its pretty much clear that jellal using thought projection wasnt that strong (not WS material). this also showed start of series erza was around jellal and jura. in GMG arc they most likely are still same.
erza with SO
Jura with 7 years hard training
Jellal with 7 year plus SO
they are all most likely same




it is standard hype. he is stronger than all the enimies. if mira thought laxus was stronger than she would have compared jura with laxus.

pre ts erza took out WS tier monster and 99 other monsters, she could move faster than markarov could follow. she could attack at jupitor cannon level and she could tank attack that made jura shocked that someone this strong was here (erza vs kagura, gmg arc). SO erza is pretty much gmg jura tier

(note: mishma made all power creeps equal. OS jura was pretty OS erza tier, that is gmg jura most likely is SO erza tier)




you are getting into too much detail to prove the manga wrong. kirin is said to be one of the strongest, and there are three more like suzaku.(BDSK).
Suzaku feat when erza and natsu were jobbing (as they do with almost every new villian) puts him far above kirin and misaki. if we go by feats, no one like suzaku exist in that guild. we have to understand how mishma writes. and then answer becomes clear.
there were people here who bought suzaku hype and embarrassed themselves pretty badly. i along with some others, didnt buy the hype. we knew how mishma shows new villain. and sure enough erza and laxus defeated people who are portrayed to be equal or above him. pretty much invaliding that suzaku could have one shot a slightly serious erza or serious natsu.



erza jobs in the start.



fan made again.
laxus has never defeated one person that erza couldnt. laxus has never been said to be above erza either.



when was laxus shown to be equal to erza in the original series? when was he shown stronger?
Hades fight is not good comparison, erza was more tired and more injured than even gildarts.
Laxus beat jura in gmg. erza took out kagura and minerva in gmg

in start of alverzec, laxus looked stronger. than it looked like erza might low diff laxus (erza vs irene and ROT aconlogia)

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this is literally how erza fights.
laxus fights with explosive powers, not allowing others to do anything, frankly a cowardly way. erza allows her opponents to show all their moves.
fact is jellal with thought projection had zero effect on her. infact, Natsu injured laxus more in the start of ff battle.

you are misguiding with saying "he effortlessly captures her". this way erza could effortlessly captures gildarts, all she had to was to get gildarts to hug her.



is it low level armor or not? how many people has she taken out with that armour. this was clearly shown in 100 year quest, that armor was waste of time



she literally one shot aria. a nerfed version of aria was kicking natsu a$$.
pre ts erza defeated WS tier monster along with 99 other monster together.

Natsu wasnt even WS tier lol

ok give me comparable feat of laxus like erza blasting aconlogia across the sky. or destroying a August tier dragon with one hit.

Laxus has only been consistently compared to Gildarts since Alvarez, by enemies and guild mates alike. Not to mention fought top tier opponents unless specifically nerfed.

Gildarts who got literally curb stomped for half the fight because his power was stolen??? That Gildarts??

Laxus beat someone we were told it would take Erza and her rival to even challenge. Erza was last women standing in a pretty dope rival gauntlet.

Oh, the battle with her Mom. Didn't that end with her skewered on her own sword??? I mean before Mommy dearest snapped back. An she outmaneuvered instinct driven Dragon Acno. Laxus on the other hand blitzed actual Acnologia. As well as tanked several major attacks from him...

We've don't this allot, if you haven't got something new, I'd rather debate new folk on the old topics. Any new aspects of the rivalry you'd like to dive into bro?

Also Disclaimer: My wife and I just had a newborn, so my responses will likely be glacial and sporadic the next few weeks. I will get back to you eventually though. Live free, have fun, love deeply.

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Also Wendy boosted them while erza and gray even tho they werent hundred percent vs hades the issue by that logic they are saying TI laxus> team natsu. Which as a laxus fan don’t think can beat them even if they ain’t 100%

I don't think anybody thinks Laxus would beat them as a team...I mean he lost to Natsu and Gajeel working together...

 

[WoWfan]

Maybe you can't, because you can't understand how it works, but the rest of us can. Hades clearly compares Laxus to Gildarts, and states he didn't realize Makarov had another pawn of that quality. There are no Erza/Gildarts comparisons. No Erza Bluenote comparisons. They were expected to be beaten by the Regular members, not his Ace. Yes, they are injured, but that's not the point. The point is none of them were shown or suggested to be a 1v1 match for Hades. Your argument is you assume a fresh Erza could. That a fresh team would win? Ok, what's that gotta do with Laxus? He did it alone, they need to act as a squad...


You make allot of assumptions here, but let's go. If Laxus used RL and lost and Natsu gave him a good match to save him. I would 100% have taken that as Mashima's intent, to show that Natsu has caught up to/surpassed Laxus. Cause that would be the obvious portrayal. I would lament wanting to see a rested Laxus fight August, but it is what it is. I argue the Manga as it happens, not as I'd like it to be. You don't want to compare them because it makes Erza look bad, but if they had August state that Wahl was one of his weaker Lts, and Laxus struggled with him (is he sick? Cause that would be the only thing I'd still argue, because his sick performance against Wahl was quite impressive) and then he can't put up a fight. I can't go "well if he was rested and well he'd be a threat to him" and be taken seriously. You want me to take you seriously though. Erza lost to a Soldier, she didn't face his Ace and get all messed up. Just a regular member of the 7 Kin. An even if she was well rested, she still would have shown up as a squad. Nothing suggests she could challenge Hades 1v1 like Laxus did and do any kind of damage, other than your assumption she is equal to Laxus. Provide something that supports that or we're at an impasse. Cause your just making excuses from where I'm sitting.

End of the fight they are both down, but as shown by the animation, Laxus doesn't pass out like her. Mashima pointing out both are down, doesn't invalidate the 4 page speech he had Erza give about her loss. Neither does the one statement, that's my line, in response to someone declaring they'll win the next fight for sure. Yall keep trying to make it though. Next, Laxus fought Kyria for several chapters, we see that he has used lightning punches, we see that they have continued to battle. He then used Roaring Thunder to put her down and keep her down after she gets up that last time. Again, you want me to ignore the manga because it doesn't fit your narrative. She broke Erza's sword, beat her outright the first fight. Tanked her spell and was still ready to fight the second round. She is operating at base Erza level and you're gunna have to do some impressive arguing to undo that portrayal from the source material. I'm all for it though, go ahead. Until you manage that, Laxus literally beat a base level Erza opponent, and still had power left to put Erza herself down.

Huh? Erza faces demon Minerva with her swords and armor...so I dunno what you're arguing here. Also, what about the later arc has to do with Mira's statement? SO let her operate an armor she apparently couldn't before and let her get a one-shot, but the armor is also the largest hax she has. None of which invalidates Mira's assessment, which Makarov's opinion supports as you yourself pointed out. An Laxus absolutely had to work for it, one of my favorite Laxus fights. (My favorite until the Kirin match up, because we see Laxus pushed to the limit and digging deep!!)


Here's the problem though. I am, you just don't like them. First let's settle this. Gildarts is the strongest, period. Laxus is next up, but any chapter now we could see Natsu leave him in the dust, without the MC buffs. He's the future Ace of the guild. I think Erza joined Gildarts and Laxus in the Alvarez arc, her duel with her Mom was meant to prove it, and Misaki only exists because people didn't accept it because of Wendy's backup. I don't need Laxus to be far stronger. I am saying Laxus wins against most of the guild, and the top tier at best get a tie for now. Cause the manga shows that Laxus is either winning, or they at best can get a tie. When they surpass Laxus, I'll be sad because he'll probably get Makarov'd, but it's what I expect because he isn't the main star of the story. He's the badass big brother, who shows up when his younger siblings are in a bind, and that's what I love about him.



Laxus has only been consistently compared to Gildarts since Alvarez, by enemies and guild mates alike. Not to mention fought top tier opponents unless specifically nerfed.

Gildarts who got literally curb stomped for half the fight because his power was stolen??? That Gildarts??

Laxus beat someone we were told it would take Erza and her rival to even challenge. Erza was last women standing in a pretty dope rival gauntlet.

Oh, the battle with her Mom. Didn't that end with her skewered on her own sword??? I mean before Mommy dearest snapped back. An she outmaneuvered instinct driven Dragon Acno. Laxus on the other hand blitzed actual Acnologia. As well as tanked several major attacks from him...

We've don't this allot, if you haven't got something new, I'd rather debate new folk on the old topics. Any new aspects of the rivalry you'd like to dive into bro?

Also Disclaimer: My wife and I just had a newborn, so my responses will likely be glacial and sporadic the next few weeks. I will get back to you eventually though. Live free, have fun, love deeply.

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I don't think anybody thinks Laxus would beat them as a team...I mean he lost to Natsu and Gajeel working together...

Congrats on the newborn child.

 

[GL_Nova]

Congrats on the newborn child.

Thank you!!